Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

This is business.  The best QB the Ravens’ organization has ever had, who puts asses in seats weekly,  and is big on helping the community as well, is the man they don’t want to pay a market value contract?  Why do the Ravens want to do him like that?

 

if they don’t think he’s worth what he’s asking for, trade him.  Go find a QB who is worth it then.  Good luck to them.

 

A fully-guaranteed contract is not market value. 

[purple haze]

21 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Seems to be working out well for Lamar.. well played 

It’s not working out for the Ravens either.   And it’s hard to fight the system.  QBs of commensurate talents get more, in some way, than the previous QB received on their contract.   Usually.   So, why is that different now?  It’s not Jackson’s fault the Haslem’s gave out that bad deal to Watson.

 

He’ll get paid a lot of money somewhere, eventually; not what the market dictated he should get, most likely, but he’ll be a generationally wealthy young man still living out his dream.   He wins either way.  Will it be in Baltimore?  I’d bet, no.  So, in that case, who wins, again?   The QB who gets paid and plays or the team in search of a player like Lamar Jackson and can’t find one? 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

 

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

A fully-guaranteed contract is not market value. 

It is when it has been established in the market.  Again, blame the Haslem’s for setting that market, not Jackson for asking for that type of deal.

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, purple haze said:

This is business.  The best QB the Ravens’ organization has ever had, who puts asses in seats weekly,  and is big on helping the community as well, is the man they don’t want to pay a market value contract?  Why do the Ravens want to do him like that?

 

if they don’t think he’s worth what he’s asking for, trade him.  Go find a QB who is worth it then.  Good luck to them.

What’s market value for, at most, the 4th  best QB in the conference / 2nd best in his division?   
 

What’s market value for a running QB that’s injury prone?

Part of being a franchise QB is being the face of the organization and not bringing bad publicity to your team.  Do you think Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Lawrence etc would be messing around with some rando named Ken Francis and pushing a ridiculous home workout system?

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by SCBills

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It is when it has been established in the market.  Again, blame the Haslem’s for setting that market, not Jackson for asking for that type of deal.

 

It hasn't been established.  It's happened twice in NFL history and not likely to be repeated again.

[QLBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It’s not working out for the Ravens either.   And it’s hard to fight the system.  QBs of commensurate talents get more, in some way, than the previous QB received on their contract.   Usually.   So, why is that different now?  It’s not Jackson’s fault the Haslem’s gave out that bad deal to Watson.

 

He’ll get paid a lot of money somewhere, eventually; not what the market dictated he should get, most likely, but he’ll be a generationally wealthy young man still living out his dream.   He wins either way.  Will it be in Baltimore?  I’d bet, no.  So, in that case, who wins, again?   The QB who gets paid and plays or the team in search of a player like Lamar Jackson and can’t find one? 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

 

It is when it has been established in the market.  Again, blame the Haslem’s for setting that market, not Jackson for asking for that type of deal.

Your points are solid. If in fact the teams were following the Browns lead. They are not and for good reason. The reasons on Lamar have been presented multiple times. If he thinks his value surpasses Mahomes or even JA he’s delusional. 

[purple haze]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

What’s market value for, at most, the 4th  best QB in the conference / 2nd best in his division?   
 

What’s market value for a running QB that’s injury prone?

Part of being a franchise QB is being the face of the organization and not bringing bad publicity to your team.  Do you think Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Lawrence etc would be messing around with some rando named Ken Francis and pushing a ridiculous home workout system?

 

If the Raven’s think of Jackson the way you do then they should trade him and go find a QB better if they can.  Can’t have it both ways: he’s not good enough but we don’t want to lose him.  Why?  If he’s as mid as you think he is?
 

2 QBs you named were paid as soon as they were eligible to be paid and the other two most likely will be.  So, unlike Jackson they didn’t or won’t have to be in this circumstance with their organizations.

 

Jackson has said little or nothing.  He can’t control media narratives or fans emotions on Twitter or the message boards.   He’s not bringing bad publicity to the Ravens.  The Ravens put themselves in this position.  Pay him or trade him.  It’s not that hard.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, purple haze said:

If the Raven’s think of Jackson the way you do then they should trade him and go find a QB better if they can.  Can’t have it both ways: he’s not good enough but we don’t want to lose him.  Why?  If he’s as mid as you think he is?
 

2 QBs you named were paid as soon as they were eligible to be paid and the other two most likely will be.  So, unlike Jackson they didn’t or won’t have to be in this circumstance with their organizations.

 

Jackson has said little or nothing.  He can’t control media narratives or fans emotions on Twitter or the message boards.   He’s not bringing bad publicity to the Ravens.  The Ravens put themselves in this position.  Pay him or trade him.  It’s not that hard.

 

They can't.  No one wants to meet his demands. 

[billsbackto81]

13 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Your points are solid. If in fact the teams were following the Browns lead. They are not and for good reason. The reasons on Lamar have been presented multiple times. If he thinks his value surpasses Mahomes or even JA he’s delusional. 

According to Dick Sherman, Mahomes and Allen are to blame for Lamar's misfortune.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/richard-sherman-blames-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-for-lamar-jackson-saga/

 

[purple haze]

Just now, Doc said:

 

They can't.  No one wants to meet his demands. 

The NFL won’t allow the demand to be approached.   I get it from the league’s perspective.   Jackson will eventually take less.  But he’s not taking less from the Ravens.  Get rid of that tag and Jackson will be signed somewhere at some point.

 

The Ravens want it both ways.  I doubt that works out for them in the end.

18 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Your points are solid. If in fact the teams were following the Browns lead. They are not and for good reason. The reasons on Lamar have been presented multiple times. If he thinks his value surpasses Mahomes or even JA he’s delusional. 

 Mahomes and Allen signed deals before Watson.  Their organizations locked them up at first chance.  If they hadn’t those two could demand what Jackson is, and should be.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, purple haze said:

The NFL won’t allow the demand to be approached.   I get it from the league’s perspective.   Jackson will eventually take less.  But he’s not taking less from the Ravens.  Get rid of that tag and Jackson will be signed somewhere at some point.

 

The Ravens want it both ways.  I doubt that works out for them in the end.

 

That's in-part what the franchise tag was created for, not to mention the fines that would accumulate if he were to sit out in protest.  He'll have to play for the franchise amount and then we'll see what happens after the season. 

[stuvian]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

According to Dick Sherman, Mahomes and Allen are to blame for Lamar's misfortune.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/richard-sherman-blames-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-for-lamar-jackson-saga/

 

I get Sherman's point but what he misses is that Mahomes and Allen value winning above being the highest paid. When you win the Superbowl, the endorsement deals will fall off you like water on a duck's back. Money can only bring so much happiness.

Winning a Superbowl follows you into eternity. Why do you think we put up with Terry Bradshaw's jackass act every Sunday?

Does Jackson want a career like Tom Brady or Kirk Cousins? That is the question.

The owners can look in the mirror for the culprit. Why should Jackson take anything less than a guaranteed deal as a starting bargaining point? He can renegotiate down later when his teams signs players to help him get a title.

[NoSaint]

46 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It’s not working out for the Ravens either.   And it’s hard to fight the system.  QBs of commensurate talents get more, in some way, than the previous QB received on their contract.   Usually.   So, why is that different now?  It’s not Jackson’s fault the Haslem’s gave out that bad deal to Watson.

 

He’ll get paid a lot of money somewhere, eventually; not what the market dictated he should get, most likely, but he’ll be a generationally wealthy young man still living out his dream.   He wins either way.  Will it be in Baltimore?  I’d bet, no.  So, in that case, who wins, again?   The QB who gets paid and plays or the team in search of a player like Lamar Jackson and can’t find one? 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

 

It is when it has been established in the market.  Again, blame the Haslem’s for setting that market, not Jackson for asking for that type of deal.

that something has happened once in all of existence doesn’t define a market 

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

 

Really tired of people turning everything into racism.  This isnt about racism.  This is about Lamar is not good enough to demand a contract better than Watson full guaranteed.  Watson should not have even gotten that contract. Lamar was offered a reasonable contract.  He declined.  He is stuck on getting max max and thats why no one is offering him a contract because it would be a waste of their time.  He simply is not worth two first round picks, retooling your entire offense around him or praying that he can run a conventional offense, while also giving an oft injured QB a fully guaranteed contract.  Black, white, green, blue, brown, purple it just doesnt matter.

[Captain Hindsight]

57 minutes ago, SCBills said:

What’s market value for, at most, the 4th  best QB in the conference / 2nd best in his division?   
 

What’s market value for a running QB that’s injury prone?

Part of being a franchise QB is being the face of the organization and not bringing bad publicity to your team.  Do you think Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Lawrence etc would be messing around with some rando named Ken Francis and pushing a ridiculous home workout system?

 

Brady had that Guerrero guy and his TB12 bull#### avocado ice cream

[wppete]

 

[purple haze]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That's in-part what the franchise tag was created for, not to mention the fines that would accumulate if he were to sit out in protest.  He'll have to play for the franchise amount and then we'll see what happens after the season. 

 

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

that something has happened once in all of existence doesn’t define a market 

Yes, it does.   it’s Jackson’s market because he’s a commensurate player to the QB who got that deal.  It’s not Daniel Jones or Sam Darnold’s market.

Jackson should ask for that deal.  The Ravens don’t have to pay it.  It’s business.

 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, purple haze said:

 

Yes, it does.   it’s Jackson’s market because he’s a commensurate player to the QB who got that deal.  It’s not Daniel Jones or Sam Darnold’s market.

Jackson should ask for that deal.  The Ravens don’t have to pay it.  It’s business.

 

The Ravens don’t have to pay it. They are absolutely welcome to let Jackson languish under the tag pursuing an offer that isn’t coming, and then, next season, they can do it all again!

[Dr.Sack]

Jets should go all in on Lamar over Rodgers. This boils down to do you want a just turned 26 year old, or soon to 40 year old leading your franchise? 

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The Ravens don’t have to pay it. They are absolutely welcome to let Jackson languish under the tag pursuing an offer that isn’t coming, and then, next season, they can do it all again!

They won’t.  That does them no good. Same way the Texans  eventually traded Watson.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

26 minutes ago, purple haze said:

They won’t.  That does them no good. Same way the Texans  eventually traded Watson.

 

 Sure it does. They appear to be worried about how Lamar's body is going to hold up long term. That's why they only offered a 3 year contract that was fully guaranteed. They can tag him this year and next, get 2 of those 3 years they offered and then be done with him. If Lamar doesn't come off his $270 million guarantee stance, that's what I would do. Unless of course a team is willing to pay the 2 1st round picks for him. 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS