Public Student Loan Forgiveness?

[Johnny Hammersticks]

39 minutes ago, T&C said:

Who absorbs all of this "money"? The school, the county, the state, or the entire country?

It just magically disappears!  🪄 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

It just magically disappears!  🪄 

 

I’m thinking @House should be a person of interest. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Right before my HS graduation, my grandfather offered to buy me a truck, pay for all my tools, and pay my tuition to attend trade school/training program of my choosing.  I declined.  I often regret that decision.

One of the other dads at our kid’s school went into serious debt to get thru law school. By the time we got to be friends he was instead doing woodworking in his garage. And very happy about it. 

 

How is a kid supposed to know? You just hope you find the right fit for you one day. 

[T&C]

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

It just magically disappears!  🪄 

I'm sure... and I can't really post my thoughts in this forum, but congrats.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

41 minutes ago, T&C said:

I'm sure... and I can't really post my thoughts in this forum, but congrats.

Cool man 👍.  Like I said, I paid off ~85K of my student loans as an educator often working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet for my family.  Never once missed or made a late payment.  So I don’t feel guilty at all about having my loans forgiven.  I feel like, for once, middle class people like myself are getting a break.  I also could find other ways to use my PhD and make more money, but I choose to work in the trenches of the public schools because that’s where I can make my greatest difference for kids and families as a psychologist.  Not that I feel the need to defend myself here, but ya’know…

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[muppy]

I feel very fortunate in that hubby had half academic scholarship and a very employable degree straight out of college (Electrical engineering). From there his career grew and eventually due to stock options we were able to fund our kids educations without loans. 

 

Being reimbursed tuition costs Im thinking damn...I mean I would have never thought a program like that would ever exist.

 

Having said that the educations they received were worth the money so Im not mad having paid it. But Super fortunate not to have had loans.

[Just Jack]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

I was at a luncheon a while back and the speaker was from the economic development commission. He talked about trying to attract new businesses to the area, and the obstacles they faced. He said the companies they were trying to attract didn’t need more young people with college degrees, they needed welders and plumbers. You can make a fine living if you have mastered a trade. 

 

I've told one of my nephews who was undecided what he wanted to do, just drive by a construction site and look at the vehicles.  A lot of newer pickups, etc.  

[muppy]

12 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Cool man 👍.  Like I said, I paid off ~85K of my student loans as an educator often working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet for my family.  Never once missed or made a late payment.  So I don’t feel guilty at all about having my loans forgiven.  I feel like, for once, middle class people like myself are getting a break.  I also could find other ways to use my PhD and make more money, but I choose to work in the trenches of the public schools because that’s where I can make my greatest difference for kids and families as a psychologist.  Not that I feel the need to defend myself here, but ya’know…

DOCTOR Johnny Hammersticks. Psychologist. That is awesome! In the schools? I have seen your kind in my kids tenure. BRAVO and Thank you for what you do hermano. !~!~!

 

A Dr John Toews literally helped save my family due to issues with my daughter who is autistic. back in 1987 they called it "Pervasive Developmental Disorder"  As a school anecdotal story for you will appreciate. my daughter began special ed in the public schools. And as you well know every 3 years there is a broad comprehensive consult and reassessment of test scores relating to her IEP. (her educational plan)  Living here ended up being in a vicinity with leading research into autism education. "Brain Pathways" was a program where by a series of listening and physical exercise on a yoga mat (example the crawling movement)  the attempt it to create these brain pathways to increase acumen I guess? What Im trying to say is after having taken this course in middle school for her tri annual review it was revealed that my daughters test score for IQ had gone up 25 points. Which at the time was considered freaking shocking frankly. In the best way 🙂

 

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[Jauronimo]

13 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

I've told one of my nephews who was undecided what he wanted to do, just drive by a construction site and look at the vehicles.  A lot of newer pickups, etc.  

I think there is more than one way to interpret that observation.  I mean, drive by a military base and check out the 27% APR enlisted car show.

[GoBills808]

'Don't worry about how valuable an Ivy League degree is! It's too expensive and you should become a plumber or welder instead.'

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

'Don't worry about how valuable an Ivy League degree is! It's too expensive and you should become a plumber or welder instead.'

How many kids can realistically get ahold of an H bomb?

 

There’s a point to be made but it’s already been made here without the silly absurdities. 

[Westside]

Personally I think loan forgiveness is complete Bullschit. Thanks for raising the cost of living so you can buy a new car or go on a vacation. Congratulations!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, LeviF said:

How many kids can realistically get ahold of an H bomb?

 

There’s a point to be made but it’s already been made here without the silly absurdities. 

You can't raise them believing it and then not expect them to try.

 

You also can't pretend that 'trades' aren't code spoken by people who don't understand manual labor.

 

'We need more welders and HVAC techs' is a rhetorical device, it's not meaningful.

[LeviF]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You can't raise them believing it and then not expect them to try.

 

You also can't pretend that 'trades' aren't code spoken by people who don't understand manual labor.

 

'We need more welders and HVAC techs' is a rhetorical device, it's not meaningful.

That’s a valid point that can be made without pretending everyone deserves or is capable of completing an Ivy League education. 

[The Jokeman]

On 2/21/2023 at 4:11 PM, LeviF said:

 

All seven years!

 

[Jauronimo]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You can't raise them believing it and then not expect them to try.

 

You also can't pretend that 'trades' aren't code spoken by people who don't understand manual labor.

 

'We need more welders and HVAC techs' is a rhetorical device, it's not meaningful.

Who cares about codes and stigma?  Money talks.  $100k a year in skilled trade with a highschool diploma has greater spending power than a $65k a year white collar gig with a liberal arts degree.  We need to stop telling kids "if you don't go to college you end up like..." and start educating them on the paths available and what they mean lifestyle wise.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Who cares about codes and stigma?  Money talks.  $100k a year in skilled trade with a highschool diploma has greater spending power than a $65k a year white collar gig with a liberal arts degree.  We need to stop telling kids "if you don't go to college you end up like..." and start educating them on the paths available and what they mean lifestyle wise.

I am neither a plumber nor a welder but I am fairly certain you don't make $100k/yr at either without significant apprenticeships, coursework, accreditations etc.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

34 minutes ago, Westside said:

Personally I think loan forgiveness is complete Bullschit. Thanks for raising the cost of living so you can buy a new car or go on a vacation. Congratulations!

Wow, okay man.  Thanks for being an a-hole.  Have a wonderful day.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Wow, okay man.  Thanks for being an a-hole.  Have a wonderful day.

I'm surprised it took 3 pages.

[GoBills808]

@Johnny Hammerstickssorry for taking your thread off topic, it was not my intention

 

sincere congratulations on your loan forgiveness 👍