In light of Beane’s weak drafting maybe he should move up in the early rounds.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Most of our best players was pkd up in 2017 bud, Hyde, Poyer, Milano, Dawkins, & Tre all from 2017 class which Beane has no connection to. 

So now, Josh Allen is not our best player. You’re all over the place man

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So now, Josh Allen is not our best player. You’re all over the place man

I said Most ! 

Beaner stinks that’s my opinion! It won’t change either. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I said Most ! 

No, you’re wavering a cursory hand over it like Josh Allen is not a unicorn QB or something
 

The drafting of Josh Allen literally is what makes general managers be in their positions for years and years you get that one right you get a lot of leeway

 

Not lost in all of this is the bills just like to play veterans they’ll play their first round picks but you really gotta earn it to get on the field after that and they were veterans over them

 

The defensive line is played in a rotation Epenesa and boogie are not stars, but we have absolutely no idea what their stats would look like if they were full-time players

 

Losing Von Miller this year hurt at the time that Von Miller got hurt we were in the tops of the league in sacks. It fell off dramatically after that the general manager gets credit for bringing in Von Miller. The general manager does not take blame that Von Miller got hurt.

 

We have been using third round picks on running backs, and Devon Singleterry has been good. The scheme is self prevents him from being 1000 yard back.

 

Brandon beam gets a ton of credit for bringing in Diggs for that first round pick we have absolutely no idea if we would’ve taken the kid from the Vikings with it what a disaster would’ve been if we didn’t bring in digs and he would’ve taken a defensive player, but that didn’t happen because our general manager knows what he’s doing

 

I will say this once again in the NFL feels this way too. Our general manager is one of the top in the league and you know that buy the product that they put on the field. Only one team gets to win the Super Bowl every year. That doesn’t mean that our general manager didn’t do his job. 

 

Once again, you’re way off

[NastyNateSoldiers]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

No, you’re wavering a cursory hand over it like Josh Allen is not a unicorn QB or something
 

The drafting of Josh Allen literally is what makes general managers be in their positions for years and years you get that one right you get a lot of leeway

 

Not lost in all of this is the bills just like to play veterans they’ll play their first round picks but you really gotta earn it to get on the field after that and they were veterans over them

 

The defensive line is played in a rotation Epenesa and boogie are not stars, but we have absolutely no idea what their stats would look like if they were full-time players

 

Losing Von Miller this year hurt at the time that Von Miller got hurt we were in the tops of the league in sacks. It fell off dramatically after that the general manager gets credit for bringing in Von Miller. The general manager does not take blame that Von Miller got hurt.

 

We have been using third round picks on running backs, and Devon Singleterry has been good. The scheme is self prevents him from being 1000 yard back.

 

Brandon beam gets a ton of credit for bringing in Diggs for that first round pick we have absolutely no idea if we would’ve taken the kid from the Vikings with it what a disaster would’ve been if we didn’t bring in digs and he would’ve taken a defensive player, but that didn’t happen because our general manager knows what he’s doing

 

I will say this once again in the NFL feels this way too. Our general manager is one of the top in the league and you know that buy the product that they put on the field. Only one team gets to win the Super Bowl every year. That doesn’t mean that our general manager didn’t do his job. 

 

Once again, you’re way off

Your way of if u believe Singletary is a good back ! Your way off if u believe that Diggs trade was good one considering the guy Vikings took is better then he is. Your way off with your comments about Epenesa and Basham there big and slow not explosive at all and are very stiff .. No wonder why we disagree. 

Also Von Miller wasn’t a good signing at all at 33yrs old and with his past of injuries that wasn’t money well spent and we seen the results of that. Beane is a horrible gm in my opinion living off and riding Josh Allen back to wins! 

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Your way of if u believe Singletary is a good back ! Your way off if u believe that Diggs trade was good one considering the guy Vikings took is better then he is. Your way off with your comments about Epenesa and Basham there big and slow not explosive at all and are very stiff .. No wonder why we disagree. 

Also Von Miller wasn’t a good signing at all at 33yrs old and with his past of injuries that wasn’t money well spent and we seen the results of that. Beane is a horrible gm in my opinion living off and riding Josh Allen back to wins! 

L O l @thinking that the diggs  it was a bad trade

 

You have just completely lost it

 

It’s your kind of broke dick thinking that would’ve kept us missing the playoffs

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Which shows how good Allen is. This is a bottom 5 roster without Josh.

Beane has hit way less than 57% on FA and draft picks. He is hitting way below the mendoza line

We’ll agree to disagree as there are some who either don’t understand nor possibly with McDermott’s defensive philosophy, and per DVOA we’ve had to #1 defense for awhile.  Part of that’s is finding depth and developing of which McBrane has done both.

 

Offensively he did the best he could to keep improving the line, and hit on Dawkins, Morse and I believe in Brown.  His back and neck injuries kept him from year 1 to year 2 when it’s critical for a lineman.  Most linemen grow over the first three years.

 

Knox was developed over three years, Diggs was the equivalent of a 1st RD pick who was not the same in MN, and was a 5th RD pick.  Single tart was developed to be an effective RB,

but took time.  Cook showed signs in the 2nd half of a budding, explosive RB, and with motor probably testing the market Hines increasing his role in 23.

 

Does he need to do more with less or restructuring a number of contracts to signing bonuses to extend who we want like for them Tremaine as they believe in him.

 

Given in 17 Whaley was fired the day after the draft and Beane magically was immediately hired, if you don’t think he and McD had a plan on the DL, that had nothing to do with Whaley.  They just can’t ever acknowledge it as breaks league rules.

 

The man was just GM of the year voted on by his peers.  I’ll take their opinion over fans anyway if the week.  It’s not like the pro bowl popularity contest or top 100.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

L O l @thinking that the diggs  it was a bad trade

 

You have just completely lost it

 

It’s your kind of broke dick thinking that would’ve kept us missing the playoffs

Go check my record here bud I’ve gotten more players right then Beane that’s for sure. Btw weren’t u a Tyrod fan ! lol. Go see what I was saying about about Patty Mahomes in Jan 2017 .  Broke Dick thinking? U don’t know me man ! U live in Riverside I live in Miami go figure. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

We’ll agree to disagree as there are some who either don’t understand nor possibly with McDermott’s defensive philosophy, and per DVOA we’ve had to #1 defense for awhile.  Part of that’s is finding depth and developing of which McBrane has done both.

 

Offensively he did the best he could to keep improving the line, and hit on Dawkins, Morse and I believe in Brown.  His back and neck injuries kept him from year 1 to year 2 when it’s critical for a lineman.  Most linemen grow over the first three years.

 

Knox was developed over three years, Diggs was the equivalent of a 1st RD pick who was not the same in MN, and was a 5th RD pick.  Single tart was developed to be an effective RB,

but took time.  Cook showed signs in the 2nd half of a budding, explosive RB, and with motor probably testing the market Hines increasing his role in 23.

 

Does he need to do more with less or restructuring a number of contracts to signing bonuses to extend who we want like for them Tremaine as they believe in him.

 

Given in 17 Whaley was fired the day after the draft and Beane magically was immediately hired, if you don’t think he and McD had a plan on the DL, that had nothing to do with Whaley.  They just can’t ever acknowledge it as breaks league rules.

 

The man was just GM of the year voted on by his peers.  I’ll take their opinion over fans anyway if the week.  It’s not like the pro bowl popularity contest or top 100.

I think it's a mistake to say that Beane is not a good GM. The fact that the team has found a franchise QB and made six straight playoff appearances indicates he's better than mediocre. His regime has turned the Bills into a winning franchise. 

 

However, Beane does have flaws and has made several crucial mistakes along the way. Like mentioned, repeated poor draft picks, poor free agency pick ups, and lack of building a cohesive Oline. 

 

Beane has been very good at restructing contracts and manipulating the cap. Now, it seems like his options are more limited due to Allen's contract. 

 

In short, I think Beane is solid, smart, and pretty forthright. I really didn't like his last press conference. It was unlike Beane. Prior to that, his other press conferences seemed way more upbeat and contrite. It almost seemed as though he was saying "it is what it is." We need players to stay healthy, produce more, and improve. I didn't see a whole lot of optimism or a game plan going forward. Stay the course with the current coaches and hope all goes well because my hands are tied. 

 

Over the years, Beane has absolutely put the team in position to win and win it all. He deserves credit for that.

 

The Bills have failed to advance deep into the playoffs. Failed to represent the AFC and win a Super Bowl. Beane has to take plenty of blame for this. 

 

The ultimate goal is to win it all. The Bills have their franchise QB. The Bills have failed to surround Allen with the pieces to advance. I'd argue the coaching staff and management have played a major role in their failure. The window isn't closed but it certainly appears to be less open. 

 

In short, Beane is solid but seemingly falls short on the ultimate goal. I can see both sides of the argument. Staying the course doesn't bode well in my mind. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by newcam2012

[machine gun kelly]

30 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I think it's a mistake to say that Beane is not a good GM. The fact that the team has found a franchise QB and made six straight playoff appearances indicates he's better than mediocre. His regime has turned the Bills into a winning franchise. 

 

However, Beane does have flaws and has made several crucial mistakes along the way. Like mentioned, repeated poor draft picks, poor free agency pick ups, and lack of building a cohesive Oline. 

 

Beane has been very good at restructing contracts and manipulating the cap. Now, it seems like his options are more limited due to Allen's contract. 

 

In short, I think Beane is solid, smart, and pretty forthright. I really didn't like his last press conference. It was unlike Beane. Prior to that, his other press conference seemed way more upbeat and contrite. It almost seemed as though he was saying "it is what it is." We need players to stay healthy, produce more, and improve. I didn't see a whole lot of optimism or a game plan going forward. Stay the course with the current coaches and hope all goes well because my hands are tied. 

 

Over the years, Beane has absolutely put the team in position to win and win it all. He deserves credit for that.

 

The Bills have failed to advance deep into the playoffs. Failed to represent the AFC and win a Super Bowl. Beane has to take plenty of blame for this. 

 

The ultimate goal is to win it all. The Bills have their franchise QB. The Bills have failed to surround Allen with the pieces to advance. I'd argue the coaching staff and management have played a major role in their failure. The window isn't closed but it certainly appears to be less open. 

 

In short, Beane is solid but seemingly falls short on the ultimate goal. I can see both sides of the argument. Staying the course doesn't bode well in my mind. 

 

That I can buy.  We’ll written.

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Go check my record here bud I’ve gotten more players right then Beane that’s for sure. Btw weren’t u a Tyrod fan ! lol. Go see what I was saying about about Patty Mahomes in Jan 2017 .  Broke Dick thinking? U don’t know me man ! U live in Riverside I live in Miami go figure. 

A broken clock is right twice a day

[Teddy KGB]

23 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

just get out of the second round since we never hit on anyone there. See if we can’t get 10 round 5 picks for our 2nd round pick. 

Zay is a crusher now 😂😂

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Zay is a crusher now 😂😂

I think we ought to work to get like three second round picks

[Billl]

At some point, Beane has to be judged on something beyond having drafted Josh 5 years ago.  Here's what has happened since then:

Year one: Missed playoffs

Year two: Lost in wild card round (overtime)

Year three: Lost in AFCCG (blowout)

Year four: Lost in div. round (overtime)

Year five: Lost in div. round (blowout)

 

So there you are.  Five seasons, four playoff games won, and a pretty well defined arc of postseason results.   

 

The question then becomes whether or not these results are acceptable five years after making that pick.  The follow up would be what direction the team is currently headed.  

 

[Nephilim17]

One could take the same premise and go the opposite way: in light of Beane's poor drafting — and later-round hits — maybe we should trade down, and get more picks and increase our chances.

[Eastport bills]

Beane has been underwhelming in drafting and personnel in general. Having said that, it’s hard to criticize him with what the team has accomplished over his tenure. Now however, we are in danger of not taking the steps necessary to maximize our ultra talented, generational QB and get to the SB. Also, with the rest of AFCE. getting better, we could be moving backward if he can’t overcome the misused cap space that would restrict acquiring pieces. The great young GM now faces the pressure of taking this team to the next level or being responsible for slipping back into mediocrity. If there is slippage, the fan base should not be forgiving and preach patience. We are on the clock with Josh’s prime.

[Big Turk]

On 2/19/2023 at 4:54 AM, Tipster19 said:

This may increase his percentage of success in finding better talent, hopefully it takes more risk out of his selections. The only thing left for acquiring better talent this year seems to be the draft. Right now finding quality of player is the biggest challenge facing McBeane during their tenure imo.

 

He should move back...picks are not guaranteed...more picks equals more chances.

[John from Riverside]

I think we should be going the exact opposite direction
 

Unless there is a sure fire, first round, or they’re at 27 trade down and get more at bats

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we should be going the exact opposite direction
 

Unless there is a sure fire, first round, or they’re at 27 trade down and get more at bats

Was just going to say this. Beane has been downright horrid drafting in rounds 1 and 2. Trade them both for more 4th-6th rounders where he does a bit better. We have too many needs: MLB, safeties, whole OL, TE, and WR2. More picks the better. 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Saint Doug

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/19/2023 at 7:21 PM, newcam2012 said:

I think it's a mistake to say that Beane is not a good GM. The fact that the team has found a franchise QB and made six straight playoff appearances indicates he's better than mediocre. His regime has turned the Bills into a winning franchise. 

 

However, Beane does have flaws and has made several crucial mistakes along the way. Like mentioned, repeated poor draft picks, poor free agency pick ups, and lack of building a cohesive Oline. 

 

Beane has been very good at restructing contracts and manipulating the cap. Now, it seems like his options are more limited due to Allen's contract. 

 

In short, I think Beane is solid, smart, and pretty forthright. I really didn't like his last press conference. It was unlike Beane. Prior to that, his other press conferences seemed way more upbeat and contrite. It almost seemed as though he was saying "it is what it is." We need players to stay healthy, produce more, and improve. I didn't see a whole lot of optimism or a game plan going forward. Stay the course with the current coaches and hope all goes well because my hands are tied. 

 

Over the years, Beane has absolutely put the team in position to win and win it all. He deserves credit for that.

 

The Bills have failed to advance deep into the playoffs. Failed to represent the AFC and win a Super Bowl. Beane has to take plenty of blame for this. 

 

The ultimate goal is to win it all. The Bills have their franchise QB. The Bills have failed to surround Allen with the pieces to advance. I'd argue the coaching staff and management have played a major role in their failure. The window isn't closed but it certainly appears to be less open. 

 

In short, Beane is solid but seemingly falls short on the ultimate goal. I can see both sides of the argument. Staying the course doesn't bode well in my mind. 

Yeah Beane can't live on the Allen/Diggs picks forever. Because if he doesn't start hitting on some of these other picks, having Josh & Stefon won't matter.

[Airseven]

On 2/20/2023 at 9:22 AM, Billl said:

At some point, Beane has to be judged on something beyond having drafted Josh 5 years ago.  Here's what has happened since then:

Year one: Missed playoffs

Year two: Lost in wild card round (overtime)

Year three: Lost in AFCCG (blowout)

Year four: Lost in div. round (overtime)

Year five: Lost in div. round (blowout)

 

So there you are.  Five seasons, four playoff games won, and a pretty well defined arc of postseason results.   

 

The question then becomes whether or not these results are acceptable five years after making that pick.  The follow up would be what direction the team is currently headed.

 

Bingo. “13 seconds” was the end of their ascension. Credit for becoming a playoff team, but they’re no longer a championship contender. The roster is a mess. The question is: how long is this plateau before a cliff or change?

Edited February 23, 2023 by Airseven