We need some luck

[Andy1]

I think luck is an important 20% of the formula. The other 80% is the decisions and actions of GM, coaches and players. It’s all needed and all important to win the last game of the season. 
 

I always remember David Tyree’s helmet catch to help the Giants win the SB. That’s luck and skill combined. 

[Fetou]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

So was Dan Marino. 

 

You mentioned Jordan’s Bulls. At this point, Mahomes is Jordan. And Allen is Malone.

Isn't Dan Marino one of the only QBs in the modern era who was top 5 in his day who didn't win a Superbowl? Most of the other ones eventually seem to get around to it. Jim Kelly as well maybe?

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Fetou

[Augie]

36 minutes ago, Fetou said:

Isn't Dan Marino one of the only QBs in the modern era who was top 5 in his day who didn't win a Superbowl? Most of the other ones eventually seem to get around to it

 

He was a little like Kelly. He might have a ring or two if he was willing to run the ball a little more. Some degree of balance is critical in most aspects of life. 

 

 

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Edited February 18, 2023 by Augie

[chongli]

1 hour ago, Old Coot said:

Dan Marino played for 17 years.

 

He went to the Superbowl in his 2d year and lost.

 

He never returned.

 

Yep, and Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, and Barry Sanders never went to a single SB.

6 minutes ago, Fetou said:

Isn't Dan Marino one of the only QBs in the modern era who was top 5 in his day who didn't win a Superbowl? Most of the other ones eventually seem to get around to it. Jim Kelly as well maybe?

 

 

Fran Tarkenton too, and Warren Moon (HOF'er) never even got there.

[chongli]

2 hours ago, SWATeam said:

 

 

Now it’s the Chiefs with like five straight conference championship appearances,

 

They might have appeared in 5 straight conference championship games, but only one team was won 4 consecutive ones. That record will never be broken.

[SaulGoodman]

KC’s had some luck, but they’ve also been very unlucky at times in the Mahomes era. 
 

The high ankle sprain, Mahomes’ toe injury in 2020, the depleted OL in SB 55, Mahomes missing the second half of the divisional vs the Browns and three games in 2019. The Dee Ford Offside call that denied them a SB appearance in 2018.
 

And for as much as everyone talks about their fortune at the end of the AFCC and SB, they also had a lot of bad luck in both games. Two TDs taken off the board due to questionable calls, two turnovers negated, a very questionable catch upheld at a crucial moment, losing 4 of their top 5 WRs and their best corner vs the Bengals, etc. 

 

If KC were consistently lucky, they’d probably have at least one more title. It balances out over time. The important thing is consistently putting yourself in the mix.

[DapperCam]

We were remarkably healthy the season before last (only injury all year basically was Tre). That was kind of lucky.

[LABILLBACKER]

Luck is an important component to winning a championship.  No team on this planet could've survived all the unbelievable events the Bills had to endure.  But this organization has blown opportunities with bad drafts, poor coaching and terrible personnel decisions.  Smart organizations make their own luck.

[BillsfaninGa]

13 hours ago, Gugny said:

Every team needs luck. 
 

Capitalizing is the difference. 

Indianapolis had Luck, where'd that get em?

[Awwufelloff]

14 hours ago, Old Coot said:

Dan Marino played for 17 years.

 

He went to the Superbowl in his 2d year and lost.

 

He never returned.

Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, OJ Simpson, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan never won superbowls. Just because you're good doesn't mean you'll win one. Josh Allen may never make it to the superbowl, let alone win it. 

[Nextmanup]

Of course luck is needed; our problems last year didn't stem from a lack of it.

 

 

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

2021 was our season.

 

The stars aligned.

 

Allen was on fire in the playoffs.

 

Gabe’s brick hands suddenly turned to perfectly conditioned leather mits filled with stick-em.

 

Then McFrazier happened…

Funny how Bills fans overlook stuff like this and then talk about how we are victims of endless bad luck.

 

I am inclined to think that next game against the Bengals would not have been the walk in the park we all thought it would have been at the time of the 13 seconds game.

 

But there is no doubt Josh was playing as well as he can play and as well as any QB can play and it was looking like our year.  Then of course there would have been the issue of beating the Rams.  

 

Not sure that really was our year, but we had a really solid shot at at least a SB appearance.

 

 

[Coldfronts]

Snake bit Buffalo 

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, SCBills said:

Give the Chiefs our path and they are not Super Bowl Champions.  
 

Dolphins, Bengals, Bills without Chris Jones. 
 

They bow out in the Divisional Round against CIN just like us. 
 

They stayed healthy at the main roster spots and lucked into the 1 seed. 
 

Now, we have work to do.. KC likely doesn’t get rocked by the Bengals, but it does take some luck.   On the other hand, some teams make their own luck… KC has routinely been the 1 seed and/or made it to the AFC Championship/Super Bowl.  
 

Can only make excuses for so long. 

 

Dolphins??  LOL.  KC handled the Bengals.

 

KC has made the AFCC game 4 years in a row, won it 3 times to go to 3 SBs, winning 2.

 

The Bills have been to 1 AFCC game (lost to KC) in 4 years and have been bounced short of it the other 3. 

 

Any suggestion that the Chiefs are just "luckier" than the Bills, or that the "Bills woulda won the SB...." (same as we heard here last year) is pure delusion.

 

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Dolphins??  LOL.  KC handled the Bengals.

 

KC has made the AFCC game 4 years in a row, won it 3 times to go to 3 SBs, winning 2.

 

The Bills have been to 1 AFCC game (lost to KC) in 4 years and have been bounced short of it the other 3. 

 

Any suggestion that the Chiefs are just "luckier" than the Bills, or that the "Bills woulda won the SB...." (same as we heard here last year) is pure delusion.

 

KC didn’t “handle” the Bengals.  That was a good game, and a game that was very clearly highly affected by Chris Jones being a game wrecker.  
 

They don’t win that game without Chris Jones, and I’d be willing to bet a lot of Chiefs fans would admit that.  
 

Frank Clark and George Karlaftis aren’t terrorizing Joe Burrow.   Just like Ed Oliver and Greg Rousseau couldn’t.  
 

You also seem to have ignored the part in my post that addressed the Chiefs making their own luck and, at some point, our excuses fall flat. 
 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by SCBills

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, SCBills said:

KC didn’t “handle” the Bengals.  That was a good game, and a game that was very clearly highly affected by Chris Jones being a game wrecker.  
 

They don’t win that game without Chris Jones, and I’d be willing to bet a lot of Chiefs fans would admit that.  
 

Frank Clark and George Karlaftis aren’t terrorizing Joe Burrow.   Just like Ed Oliver and Greg Rousseau couldn’t.  
 

You also seem to have ignored the part in my post that addressed the Chiefs making their own luck and, at some point, our excuses fall flat. 
 

 

 

They beat the Bengals.  Jones is a great player.  

 

It's not luck.  It's just taking care of business.

[teef]

Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity.  The bills has a good regular season, but they just didn’t look prepared in the cinci game. 

[PBF81]

18 hours ago, Success said:

Most championship teams - in any sport - needed some luck along the way.  I would contend that we've gotten very little, if any.

 

Last year, the Niners dropped an easy INT in the NFCCG that would have basically sealed that game for them.   The Bengals were also kind of lucky to be there, given how KC gave the AFCCG away.  This year, the luck went against the Bengals, with some very questionable calls in the KC game, and went KC's way, with a soft call at the end of the game that prevented the Eagles from getting a chance to tie or win the game in the last 2 minutes.

 

And you can go back to just about any SB.  Once in awhile, there is a juggernaut, and luck isn't as needed. But usually, luck plays a big part - and I'd argue we haven't had much.  From our top 4 receivers all being injured in the AFCCG 2 years ago, to the coin toss last year, to all of the crazy situations this year.

 

So many things have to happen to win a SB. You need a great team - but you also need a few breaks.  

 

We've had our share of breaks too.  Making the playoffs in McD's first season was among them.  We got in having absolutely nothing to do with our play and on the unlikeliest play of the season.  

 

We got some breaks in the "13-Seconds" game too.  But when your own coaching overcomes those breaks to lose you games ... 

 

As they say, sometimes you make your own luck too.  Good or bad.  We seem to be masters at creating our own ***** luck.  

23 minutes ago, teef said:

Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity.  The bills has a good regular season, but they just didn’t look prepared in the cinci game. 

 

They didn't look particularly prepared in that Miami playoff game either. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Unfortunately, our version of “luck” is “bad” luck…

As an English poet and singer once said:

 

"If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all"

[PBF81]

16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's not luck that they are blocked by Mahomes..........they were blessed to have him fall to their draft slot.

 

But they handed him to an AFC rival that was further into their development........to move back and ultimately add part of the draft capital needed to select Tremaine Edmunds.

 

That all-time kinda' draft day mistake put them way behind the curve..........and then incredibly lucking into Josh Allen falling far enough to select him......when Allen would have been the #1 overall pick in more drafts than not the prior 15 years.......is the only thing that's got them within striking distance.

 

Luck isn't what they need.........they just need to execute their offseasons better and finish the job.

 

Yes they had some unfortunate circumstances really help derail them earlier than it should have this season............but ultimately the build in the offseason was also flawed and it showed up after the bye week before the storms/Von/Damar even happened.

 

Get the right pieces and they won't need a lot of extra good fortune.

 

Completely agree.  Having the #2 ranked defense, #1 last season, then going into the playoffs as if you had the 30th-ranked defense is hardly a lack of luck, ... to your point.  

 

Not squibbing a kickoff with 13-seconds left, then not at all covering two of the most prolific players in the game today, AT ALL, is hardly a lack of luck, it more falls into the negligence, incompetence, (or idiocy, pick one's poison) category.  THAT is called creating your own [bad] luck.  

 

What is luck is making the playoffs because another team not competing for the playoffs beat another team that was competing to make the playoffs, hit a 4th-and-12 for a 49-yard TD, which then paved the way for a coach being overrated.  

 

On the drafting side, we could also mention that instead of Oliver we could have had Montez Sweat or any number of other players that have performed to premier levels.  Beane's day 1 & 2 drafting has hardly created luck for us.  

[PBF81]

18 hours ago, Success said:

And you can go back to just about any SB.  Once in awhile, there is a juggernaut, and luck isn't as needed. But usually, luck plays a big part - and I'd argue we haven't had much.  

 

So many things have to happen to win a SB. You need a great team - but you also need a few breaks.  

 

This prompted a thought as well about creating your own luck.  I remember going into that last SB we were in vs. Dallas up 13-6.  Obviously they came out and shellacked us 24-0 in the 2nd half.  That was partially us generating our own [bad] luck with them creating their own [good] luck.  

 

After the half the Cowboys came running out of the tunnel, helmets on, fist-pumping.  Our guys came out walking, helmets in hand many of them, led by Bruce who had his helmet in his hand, walking, looking down at the grass as if he was walking out to his car rather than walking out to the bench to finish the game.  

 

They asked the reporters covering the lockerrooms at the half what each coach did/said.  They said that Jimmy Johnson was swearing up an experts-only expletive filled tirade and throwing chairs.  Levy was apparently reading Hemmingway quotes to our players.  

 

Of the two teams, which one created positive luck and positive energy going back out onto the field.  The answer is obvious, but coaching feeds into that as well.  Our current coach is much like Levy in that manner, he doesn't have what it takes to compete with his peers at that level to create the kind of [luck] required to overcome his shortcomings.  The same can be said for the offseason/firings.  Preach accountability, but when things fail, take no action, essentially sending the message that none of it is actually your fault or the fault of those that you hired.  That stuff gets noticed, by media, fans, and players alike whether they mention it or not.  

 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by PBF81