Rate all of Beane's draft picks

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Davis plays 1 tech, so it makes sense that he doesn’t make game changing plays. He is clogging lanes. 
 

Oliver doesn’t have that excuse. He has had plenty of time at 3T.

 

I know where he plays. The starter at 1T - Javon Hargrave - had 11 sacks and 10 tackles for loss. 

 

Again, it is not to say Davis won't be good (althought I didn't think he was an elite prospect and still don't) but he hasn't done anything yet for you to be able to say he is a success of a pick. He did fine as a rookie playing on a rotational basis. But just fine.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Don't understand this PBM. Jalen Carter is maybe the best player on D in this years draft. He's going 1 or 2. Agree you can expect more from  a # 9 pick than we have gotten from Oliver but in his draft year to me Q. Williams was a legit top 10 pick.

Still wouldn't do it 

[StHustle]

19 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m looking at a 3 tech that struggles to get more than 3 or 4 sacks per season and maybe 1 forced fumble.

 

He isn’t elite nor great. He isn’t very good either. But he’s good. And that’s above average. To call him average shows you don’t know what you’re looking at

[Manther]

16 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

Rosemans strategy is a triumph of numbers.  He aquires tons of picks and then just drafts and drafts and drafts....banking on the idea that of the players they evaluate, they are going to miss on some, so throwing more crap at the wall means more has a chance to stick.  It's why when they miss on a Reager or Dillard, they just keep on going because they've hit on enough of their staggering payload of choices everyyear, that they are fine.  AND...more important than all that....they hit on Hurtz in round 2 and have been able to build around him well.....better than most.

 

Roseman is a top 5 elite for sure.  

Agree on Roseman.  Agree on the theory as well.  IF your team can evaluate well and coach players up well, then take more players and develop more of them successfully.  Then you should be better than the majority of teams in the league.

 

The trade up contradicts this theory and the trade up rarely works.  Trade up for a QB and barely any other position.  

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/17/2023 at 1:26 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

Not only do I disagree (I'm just some person on a message board).

 

Beane and McDermott apparently disagreed too, because they signed 2 formerly retired WRs during the season to try to fix the deficiency. 

 

OL is plain for anyone to see. It was bad. 

 

The statement I quoted was interpreting things in the most negative way possible possible.   The quote talked about "no run game, horrible OL and 1 WR threat.  You are picking on the WR part and talking about a couple practice squad guys who got handfuls of snaps down the stretch.  Was WR a concern? Yes it was/is.   Were there injuries to WR's?  Do teams routinely add veteran depth as the season goes on?   Did Gabe Davis perform like people wanted, no but he had 836 yards and 7 TD's. 

 

No run game.....the Bills were 7th in rushing yards per game.  Take away Allen and it falls down but the YPG were there.  Did the Bills give up huge numbers of sacks?  Allen hold the ball longer than pretty much every QB in the league.  

 

Having said that, should OL and WR be addressed?  yes they should, its just not all doom and gloom like is being thrown around.  The Bills scored the second most points in the league and were also right around there in yards per game.  They were among the best at third down conversions.

 

The panic in Bills mafia is driven by recency bias.

[dgrochester55]

Rating the draft based on the players production in Buffalo, where they were picked and a little consideration for production after Buffalo

 

2017-  A-    Solid overall draft.   White and Dawkins were quality starters and Milano was a flat out steal.  Jones was a disappointment but rebounded well in Jacksonville, Peterman was bad too but not too many 5th round qb's are long term starters.  Vallejo wasn't here long, but is still in the NFL. 

 

A very good draft with some key building blocks for Mcdermott

 

2018  A+     Allen is our Franchise QB.  Edmunds never became the all pro that we expected but was still a solid starter for 5 seasons, Phillips is doing well in Minnesota after injuries limited him here.   Taron Johnson is a reliable backup who makes big plays at key times, Teller is a pro bowl guard and it is too bad we could not hang on to him.   Buffalo also added Levi Wallace who started for three years as a UDFA.    McCloud is a backup on San Fran.  Only Proehl is not currently in the NFL.  

 

Buffalo nailed this draft

 

2019  C      Oliver has shown flashes and can start somewhere, but did not produce like a top ten pick should, Ford was a bust, Singletary is a decent committee back and not bad for a third round pick.  Knox was a nice find, but can be inconsistent.   Vosean Joseph Never panned out, Jaquan Johnson has a chance to prove himself when Hyde and Poyer got hurt and was a liability.    Darryl Johnson and Sweeney have stuck around as backups, but will never be anything more.

 

A clear step down from the first two drafts but still got some productive players. 

 

2020  C  (D- on the first two picks B on the later picks)    Espeneza and Moss were not good picks at all considering their positions and that they were second and third round picks.   Davis disappointed us as a #2 receiver this year, but has still had some great stretches in his career and was a good 4th round pick.   Bass is one of the better kickers in the NFL and Dane Jackson is a good find for a 7th round pick.  Hodgins never could crack a deep WR group here but found his niche on the Giants.    Fromm did not really do anything good or bad, but had a catchy nickname and cool story of being an emergency COVID QB.

 

2021    D   I haven't given up on Rousseau and still think that he could be a good player,  Jury is out on that pick.   Basham was one too many DE picks and did not produce nearly enough to be worth a draft spot that could have had so many other options in the 2nd round.   I had hope for Spencer Brown, but is looking more like a backup and less like a starter.  Hamlin was filling in decently for Hyde before the tragic injury.    The rest of the draft did not yield anyone who will end up helping Buffalo.

 

2022     Incomplete.     Elam is raw and could still come around.   I feel like his lack of playing time was more due to Benford being good than him being bad.  Cook did not produce nearly as much as other Rookie running backs, but that may be more the system than the player.   Bernard had done nothing so far.   One year is too early to write off a third rounder, but I don't see what they were thinking with this.    Shakir has shown flashes and is worth a look in the next couple of years.   Arazia would have been a find if he has not been part of the legal trouble.   Benford is looking like steal.    Tenuta if I remember correctly did not make the team.

 

Too early to judge this year, but besides 2022, the drafts seem to have progressively gotten worse since 2018.     Based on early McDermott years, they are capable of drafting well, but it is hard to maintain a playoff team when your recent picks are not providing adequate depth or replacements for cap casualties.

 

The team need to go back to whatever they were doing in the early Mcdermott years.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by dgrochester55

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

The statement I quoted was interpreting things in the most negative way possible possible.   The quote talked about "no run game, horrible OL and 1 WR threat.  You are picking on the WR part and talking about a couple practice squad guys who got handfuls of snaps down the stretch.  Was WR a concern? Yes it was/is.   Were there injuries to WR's?  Do teams routinely add veteran depth as the season goes on?   Did Gabe Davis perform like people wanted, no but he had 836 yards and 7 TD's. 

 

No run game.....the Bills were 7th in rushing yards per game.  Take away Allen and it falls down but the YPG were there.  Did the Bills give up huge numbers of sacks?  Allen hold the ball longer than pretty much every QB in the league.  

 

Having said that, should OL and WR be addressed?  yes they should, its just not all doom and gloom like is being thrown around.  The Bills scored the second most points in the league and were also right around there in yards per game.  They were among the best at third down conversions.

 

The panic in Bills mafia is driven by recency bias.

 

Fair enough. I just need to see Beane take offense seriously this off-season.