Rate all of Beane's draft picks

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

To me, if the player is gone, the pick is irrelevant. The point of drafting is to help improve your team - not other teams.

Again, Einstein ask TBD to rate “all” of his picks. IMO, If you really want to judge his drafting, you can’t leave them out. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The striking thing to me with Elam was a LATE season press conference where McDermott said something like - the Coaches are still figuring out who Elam is as a person and gauging what they have in him.

 

I thought that was strange. The organization already made that decision Sean…
 

Just get him out there.

 

I don’t know that the Chiefs are amazing at drafting, they had to scab an entire WR group together, pieces of their line are FAs, and their secondary is ok. 

 

But I do agree that they’ve hit on both linebackers in the middle rounds, and Creed H is a big difference.

How good is Karlaftis really? Skyy Moore? 
 

Their FO has shown they understand how to sustain a top level team. 

Chiefs DL looks a lot like ours did post-Von injury, if Chris Jones goes down.  Frank Clark is decent, and the rest of their guys are ok… sounds a lot like Rousseau, Jones and co., without Von Miller. 
 

They hit on Gay and Bolton at LB, and seem to have hit on resetting their Secondary after letting Matthieu and Ward walk.  
 

The big difference between the Chiefs and Bills is on Offense.  They don’t have the dollars we do tied up on defense, which allows them to spend heavy on OL.. and then the big draft difference - they took a stud C, where we took a rotational DE4 in RD2.  
 

They have a RD1 bust at RB, but hit on Pacheco in RD7 and a low-tier RB in McKinnon. 
 

Kelce is the straw that stirs the drink.  Best non-QB offensive player in the league.  
 

At WR, I don’t know that Skyy Moore is that much higher potential than Khalil Shakir, but they took a chance on a guy we seemingly never would… Kadarius Toney, who is a game changer talent and still has two more years on a rookie deal. 
 

They’ve drafted a bit better, stayed healthier, took some chances that we wouldn’t… but mainly… the big difference …. Chris Jones stayed healthy and they let defensive guys walk so that they can give Mahomes a top 2 OL. 

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

An average wide receiver gets 900 yards a year
 

Really?

 

Yes.

 

In fact, look at a few of Gabe’s peers in yardage:

 

Peoples Jones - 839 yards

Gabe Davis - 836 yards 

Zay Zones - 823 yards 

Jacobi Meyers - 804 yards

 

These are all average WR’s. 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

The 2018 draft was elite.  And yes, guys who go on to do well for another team count.  It’s not the drafters fault if the coaching staff can’t figure out how to use good players.  Same with losing guys in free agency.  You can’t re-sign everybody.  

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The 2018 draft was elite.  And yes, guys who go on to do well for another team count.  It’s not the drafters fault if the coaching staff can’t figure out how to use good players.  Same with losing guys in free agency.  You can’t re-sign everybody.  

It’s too early to tell, but I think last years draft was legit also.  
 

Im pretty high on Elam and Cook.. my issue more being with the coaching staff in their rookie years. 
 

Shakir and Benford giving us nice rotational/depth pieces with starting potential at Slot WR and Safety. 
 

Araiza should’ve been our punter for the next 3 years.  Not going to get into all that. 
 

That’s 5 contributors, all with some impact potential.  
 

Again, too early to tell, but in my opinion, we may look back and say Beane was a Terrell Bernard away from this being an A grade Draft.   I just don’t see, at all, what the vision is for him. 

[Einstein]

 

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

• Based on the Bills draft position from 2018 - 2022 Brandon Beane had the opportunity to select the following players without sacrificing acquiring another All-Pro Player at a premium position:
   
  • Josh Allen (HE DID!)
  • DK Metcalf (Over Ed Oliver and Cody Ford)
  • Calvin Ridley (Over Tremaine Edmunds) - Suspended from NFL
  • Jaire Alexander (Over Tremaine Edmunds)
  • Deebo Samuel (Over Ed Oliver)
  • Maxx Crosby (Over Ed Oliver, Cody Ford, Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox)
  • J.C. Jackson (Entire 2018 Draft excluding Josh Allen)
  • A.J. Brown (Over Ed Oliver and Cody Ford) - Traded away before becoming an All-Pro w/ Tennessee 

 

Let's not pretend like these premium players grow on trees and are easy to identify. 2/3 of them were 1st round picks that we didn't even have a chance to acquire, and the group listed above had an ADP of the 50th pick... meaning everyone passed on them at least once... including other top tier GMs. 

 

The bar you're setting (All-Pro's) are not what many of us are talking about when we discuss the lackluster draft record. We would love to have All-Pro's but we all understand that there are very few of them. I am more-so talking about that "very good" level that's right below All-Pro. You're also missing a lot of players by only focusing on premium positions:

 

• Ed Oliver over Chris Lindstrom
• Ed Oliver over Jeffrey Simmons
• Ed Oliver over Dexter Lawrence
• Cody Ford over Elgton Jenkins
• Cody Ford over DK Metcalf
• Rousseou over Landon Dickerson
• Carlos Basham over Creed Humphrey

To name a few...

 

That doesn't take into consideration things such as:

• Not trading up to get your guy because you think he will fall and then KC trades up and gets him and then you have to panic and draft the very last guy on your 1st round board (Elam).
• Trading the pick that is now the best WR in the entire NFL.

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes.

 

In fact, look at a few of Gabe’s peers in yardage:

 

Peoples Jones - 839 yards

Gabe Davis - 836 yards 

Zay Zones - 823 yards 

Jacobi Meyers - 804 yards

 

These are all average WR’s. 

 

 

 

 

 

Don’t be a schmuck that’s an average number two wide receiver that you’re mentioning and that list

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 

The bar you're setting (All-Pro's) are not what many of us are talking about when we discuss the lackluster draft record. We would love to have All-Pro's but we all understand that there are very few of them. I am more-so talking about that "very good" level that's right below All-Pro. You're also missing a lot of players by only focusing on premium positions:

 

• Ed Oliver over Chris Lindstrom
• Ed Oliver over Jeffrey Simmons
• Ed Oliver over Dexter Lawrence
• Cody Ford over Elgton Jenkins
• Cody Ford over DK Metcalf
• Rousseou over Landon Dickerson
• Carlos Basham over Creed Humphrey

To name a few...

 

That doesn't take into consideration things such as:

• Not trading up to get your guy because you think he will fall and then KC trades up and gets him and then you have to panic and draft the very last guy on your 1st round board (Elam).
• Trading the pick that is now the best WR in the entire NFL.

It must be so cool to have the gift of hindsight

[BuffaloRebound]

This coaching staff has gotta be extremely difficult to draft for.  The defense prefers non-aggressive players in the back 7 and quantity over quality is preferred on the D-Line.  On offense, we couldn’t find a place for an All-Pro Guard because his strength was run-blocking.  And at RB, the guys who get on the field do so because of their pass blocking.  There’s no physicality on any side of the ball except for our franchise QB.  The teams who consistently draft well known what they’re looking for and have a certain type.  Can really only say that about a McDermott team when it comes to the secondary.  They know what they want there and can generally get it in the later rounds.  

[John from Riverside]

49 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

To me, if the player is gone, the pick is irrelevant. The point of drafting is to help improve your team - not other teams.

How nice to be able to pick and choose your data

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Don’t be a schmuck that’s an average number two wide receiver that you’re mentioning and that list

 

Well, yeah. That's what I labeled him as.

 

"Average"

 

Sounds like you agree with me.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Sometimes.

 

Way too inconsistent to be regarded as a valuable player IMO.

 

 

 

That's because he only played one year in college and was regarded as being really raw even for college.  Patience is a thing.  Not every player is superstar from day 1 like apparently so many think has to happen. Also, last time I checked, the average DE didn't have 8 sacks.

Edited February 18, 2023 by Big Turk

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Except it happened with Daboll too. In 2021, Knox was 18th among TE’s in receptions and 15th in yards.

 

His numbers were very similar under Daboll as they are under Dorsey. 

Dabol never schemed TE's or RBs as well. He should be a feature in this offense.

[Zerovoltz]

I think Beane is one of the better drafters out there.  You aren't going to hit on every pick.  Forget individual games for minute....and keep in mind the Bills have put together a roster that has been high end O and D now for a couple years.  You need to hit on all facets, Draft, trades, FA, Undrafted FA...but you don't achieve that without having above average draft success.

 

What's interesting....when you go roster by roster, almost every team has around 50-65% of their starters as players they drafted.  

 

To be in the top echelon of teams, you have to have drafted well.  AND in almost every case, drafted a high end QB as part of that.

 

Given the Bills are consistently a top team with top units....they are drafting better than many give credit for.  

 

It's also true, they could have done some things much better on draft day.  Overall, though, Beane is doing a good job drafting.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I think Beane is one of the better drafters out there.  You aren't going to hit on every pick.  Forget individual games for minute....and keep in mind the Bills have put together a roster that has been high end O and D now for a couple years.  You need to hit on all facets, Draft, trades, FA, Undrafted FA...but you don't achieve that without having above average draft success.

 

What's interesting....when you go roster by roster, almost every team has around 50-65% of their starters as players they drafted.  

 

To be in the top echelon of teams, you have to have drafted well.  AND in almost every case, drafted a high end QB as part of that.

 

Given the Bills are consistently a top team with top units....they are drafting better than many give credit for.  

 

It's also true, they could have done some things much better on draft day.  Overall, though, Beane is doing a good job drafting.  

Many Bills fans are just frustrated right now and overly critical of every facet of the team, and pointing fingers in just about every direction.

 

It will calm down.

[Manther]

22 hours ago, SCBills said:

The DL/OL picks from Beane have been BRUTAL. 

 

Rousseau has some juice, although I agree, he’s likely never going to be elite.  Above average DE is a fine return for where he was picked. 
 

However.. AJ, Boogie, Oliver, Ford, Teller (trade) + guys they didn’t draft to take some of these JAG’s.   Just awful. 
 

If we don’t figure out Day 2… it’s going to be an uphill battle every year. 

Totally agree on everything.  AND the DL is for a scheme that is a rotation.  Too many resources and "high" resources on the "rotation" AND the rotation does succeed.

 

Even a average plan executed can have good results.  This is a below average plan NOT executed = bad results.

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, Manther said:

Totally agree on everything.  AND the DL is for a scheme that is a rotation.  Too many resources and "high" resources on the "rotation" AND the rotation does succeed.

 

Even a average plan executed can have good results.  This is a below average plan NOT executed = bad results.

 

How is having top ranked O and D units "Bad Results?"  Your playoff losses are bad results, but it isn't because you never got to the playoffs.  The roster is strong, you win games and division titles.  You've run into some tough outs in the playoffs.  Bad Results is the Jets.  Bad Results is the Arizona Cardinals.  

[Manther]

19 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ed is a disaster because the Bills needed a superstar in that spot.

 

Bengals drafted Burrow, Higgins, Chase, Carman in their two crappy seasons in the first and second.  The Bills drafted Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford in their two crappy seasons in the first and second.

 

They hit on 3 stars.  We hit on 1.

 

That's why Beane's presser was so embarrassing lol.

100% agree.  Edmunds was sort of a hit and I will call it a hit.  Keep in mind we traded up for 3 of those 4.  I don't believe Cincy traded up for any of those 4.

[Augie]

23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

again??

 

 

22 hours ago, SCBills said:

Rousseau and Knox are not average.  
 

Both are good, with a lot of potential. 

 

Clearly the intent here is to once again point out how poorly the Bills have drafted. It’s also biased and an utter waste of time. If guys are “gone” that doesn’t mean they were a bust. Some are gone because they were too good and we couldn’t afford to pay what other teams were offering them. Other guys are gone and we received value for them in a trade. Names in red are not all wasted picks. 

 

If we are so terrible at drafting, why are we a top 5 team in the league. We can’t draft, and we can’t coach, yet we are still a top team in the NFL. Something is wrong with that picture.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Augie said:

 

 

Clearly the intent here is to once again point out how poorly the Bills have drafted. It’s also biased and an utter waste of time. If guys are “gone” that doesn’t mean they were a bust. Some are gone because they were too good and we couldn’t afford to pay what other teams were offering them. Other guys are gone and we received value for them in a trade. Names in red are not all wasted picks. 

 

If we are so terrible at drafting, why are we a top 5 team in the league. We can’t draft, and we can’t coach, yet we are still a top team in the NFL. Something is wrong with that picture.

 

There are many posters who roll out of bed with "a unique take" that they can't wait to post, no matter how many times it has been discussed.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

How is having top ranked O and D units "Bad Results?"  Your playoff losses are bad results, but it isn't because you never got to the playoffs.  The roster is strong, you win games and division titles.  You've run into some tough outs in the playoffs.  Bad Results is the Jets.  Bad Results is the Arizona Cardinals.  

If you had to play 4-6 games with a backup because Mahomes suffers an injury… do you feel that y’all can win half those games?

 

Bills would get rocked last year if Allen missed any time.  
 

Y’all had a top 2 OL, elite TE and a nice/deep variety of weapons at RB/WR. 
 

We had a bottom third OL, decent RB’s, good TE, Diggs, a WR3 and rookie RD5 WR.   
 

On Defense, we just don’t care about regular season play from this side of the ball anymore.  We never get the 1 seed and they don’t show up in the playoffs.