Bill from NYC Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 7:59 PM, DrDawkinstein said: What really good guard is available for $4M next year? Expand He is probably asking 20 million per season. I am missing your point. Edited February 17, 2023 by Bill from NYC Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:02 PM, Beck Water said: I would go with $14/15 AAV Expand Yeah, Ive been referencing Smith's deal for a while now. Check out the structure... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Really nice setup for 3-4 years. I think we could swing that. If the question is paying Edmunds a full $20M this year, then heck no. But if his overall average is $20M with a wink wink, and he actually makes $9M and $13M... now we're talking. On 2/17/2023 at 8:09 PM, Bill from NYC said: He is probably asking 20 million per season. I am missing your point. Expand See the previous few posts. He isnt going to be a $20M cap hit next year or likely until 2026. More like $9M next year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 I do believe Mr Milano also sounded like a goner, right up until he wasn’t. 49 is a good player, hope he comes back. Quote
davspo Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Would love to have him back, but you cannot pay them all. If we learned anything it's that more resources (draft picks and free agents) need to be allocated to offense, particularly the O-line and receivers. If someone is willing to pay a non-pass rushing linebacker more that 14 mil a year, let them! Quote
Mister Defense Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 4:46 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Or course and would be stupid not to. He's going to make generational wealth by testing FA. Expand But either way, he is going to make generational wealth, of course... Quote
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:11 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, Ive been referencing Smith's deal for a while now. Check out the structure... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Really nice setup for 3-4 years. I think we could swing that. If the question is paying Edmunds a full $20M this year, then heck no. But if his overall average is $20M with a wink wink, and he actually makes $9M and $13M... now we're talking. See the previous few posts. He isnt going to be a $20M cap hit next year or likely until 2026. More like $9M next year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Expand So why would a guard's cap hit be on $4M next year? Only doing cap wizardry for some players? 1 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:11 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, Ive been referencing Smith's deal for a while now. Check out the structure... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Really nice setup for 3-4 years. I think we could swing that. If the question is paying Edmunds a full $20M this year, then heck no. But if his overall average is $20M with a wink wink, and he actually makes $9M and $13M... now we're talking. See the previous few posts. He isnt going to be a $20M cap hit next year or likely until 2026. More like $9M next year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Expand OK, sure. I am guessing that cap hits can be spread out with guards as well, no? Either way, we need blocking more than we need Edmunds imo. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:59 PM, SCBills said: Will GLADLY trade that for an Offense that doesn’t require Josh Allen to be elite week in/week out to function. If McDermott needs Edmunds on a Defense that will have Von, Jones, Rousseau, Milano, Johnson, Elam, White and Hyde, then fire him now. Expand Next year will tell us a lot about Brandon Beane and the coaching staff. 2 Quote
nbbillsfan Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 5:03 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Looking at Germaine Pratt or Drue Tranquill as cheaper replacements. There are also a number of super interesting guys in the draft. Expand For what it's worth, Drue is good friends with Matt Barkley. However, i know he and his family Love being in socal. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:12 PM, FireChans said: So why would a guard's cap hit be on $4M next year? Only doing cap wizardry for some players? Expand Could be $4M with cap wizardry. Isaac Seumelo, the best FA Guard, is probably shooting for a $7M average (maybe more with how lauded the Philly line was this year). If that is who we're going to get in this fantasy then we'll need cap wizardry to get him down to $4M. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:11 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, Ive been referencing Smith's deal for a while now. Check out the structure... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/ Really nice setup for 3-4 years. I think we could swing that. If the question is paying Edmunds a full $20M this year, then heck no. But if his overall average is $20M with a wink wink, and he actually makes $9M and $13M... now we're talking. Expand Roquan's cost will average out to $20M per for 3 or 4 years of play. I don't see any winking in that. Every big dollar contract cost less in cap hit the first 2 seasons because of guaranteed signing money. Quote
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:16 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Could be $4M with cap wizardry. Isaac Seumelo, the best FA Guard, is probably shooting for a $7M average (maybe more with how lauded the Philly line was this year). If that is who we're going to get in this fantasy then we'll need cap wizardry to get him down to $4M. Expand We just did it last year with Saffold. Paid him 6.5M, only was 4 against the cap. The thing about Roquan's contract is their "out" is really 15M of dead cap. A not so insignificant number. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:16 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Could be $4M with cap wizardry. Isaac Seumelo, the best FA Guard, is probably shooting for a $7M average (maybe more with how lauded the Philly line was this year). If that is who we're going to get in this fantasy then we'll need cap wizardry to get him down to $4M. Expand Top Guards make way more than 7 million a year. We gave old ass Saffold 6 million. Seumelo is going to be in the 9-11 AAV. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:17 PM, ColoradoBills said: Roquan's cost will average out to $20M per for 3 or 4 years of play. I don't see any winking in that. Every big dollar contract cost less in cap hit the first 2 seasons because of guaranteed signing money. Expand No it wont. The Ravens have an out after year 3 that would make it a 4/$60 or $15M average On 2/17/2023 at 8:17 PM, FireChans said: We just did it last year with Saffold. Paid him 6.5M, only was 4 against the cap. The thing about Roquan's contract is their "out" is really 15M of dead cap. A not so insignificant number. Expand Sure, but it will be less significant 4 years from now with the growing cap. And if Saffold is the type of guard we can sign for that money, I'd rather spend FA money on Edmunds and draft a couple Interior OL early. Like 2 in the first 3 rounds. Quote
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:18 PM, DrDawkinstein said: No it wont. The Ravens have an out after year 3 that would make it a 4/$60 or $15M average Expand No you're wrong. After year 3, if they cut him, they have a hit of $15M. Which makes it 3 years, $60M. You don't get to cut a guy and let him keep playing for you. 2 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 8:21 PM, FireChans said: No you're wrong. After year 3, if they cut him, they have a hit of $15M. Which makes it 3 years, $60M. You don't get to cut a guy and let him keep playing for you. Expand They dont get hit with that $15M until year 4. So its spread out for 4 years, making it 4/$60M. Edited February 17, 2023 by DrDawkinstein Quote
FireChans Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:21 PM, DrDawkinstein said: They dont pay that $15M until year 4. So its spread out for 4 years, making it 4/$60M. Expand But he's not playing for them year 4. So he plays for them for 3 years for $60M total. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:22 PM, FireChans said: But he's not playing for them year 4. So he plays for them for 3 years for $60M total. Expand But the cap is what matters, and they'll have $15M to spend in year 3. And lost $15 in year 4. 4 years of cap hits. Quote
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Wonder if he wants to play with his Brother in Pittsburgh or is just after the $$? Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Ah, the sour grapes of the Edmunds haterz. Never gets old. Quote
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