Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:43 PM, Rc2catch said: I think if the scheme is staying as is they are going to miss Edmunds and many of the folks saying no big loss will be bashing the new guy non stop. I hope he signs with a team that plays a more aggressive style of defense. I would like to see if his game improves or stays on the conservative side. Expand Bills fans are in for a rude awakening. They hated Edmunds the most when we were #1 in points and yards. There is long way down from #1. We might take that ride down next year. 3 Quote
Beck Water Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 7:37 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Never said he should get it. He will get it. Open market is crazy. Expand Spotrac, which is usually fairly astute, says 4 years/$44M Market Value 4 yrs, $44,035,532 Avg. Salary: $11,008,883 NFL Rank: 183 ILB Rank: 7 If it's such a slam-dunk Edmunds would get $20M, the Bills could franchise him and trade him. Edited February 17, 2023 by Beck Water Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:47 PM, Beck Water said: Spotrac, which is usually fairly astute, says 4 years/$44M Market Value 4 yrs, $44,035,532 Avg. Salary: $11,008,883 NFL Rank: 183 ILB Rank: 7 Expand I’ve been laughing at that valuation for a while. I think that guys a Bills fan. 1 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 7:49 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ve been laughing at that valuation for a while. I think that guys a Bills fan. Expand In general, he tends to be accurate or high from what I've seen. I tend to think it's low, and Edmunds will get considerably more - but there's a lot of room between $11M/yr and $20M/yr. The franchise tag is high for LB because it includes pass rushing LB and edge rushers - and it's just shy of $21M Roquan Smith got $20M/yr because he can rush the passer and tackle for a loss. He's not Tremaine Edmunds. Edited February 17, 2023 by Beck Water Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:47 PM, Beck Water said: Spotrac, which is usually fairly astute, says 4 years/$44M Market Value 4 yrs, $44,035,532 Avg. Salary: $11,008,883 NFL Rank: 183 ILB Rank: 7 If it's such a slam-dunk Edmunds would get $20M, the Bills could franchise him and trade him. Expand That valuation is as accurate as a Zillow appraisal number. Way off. 1 Quote
PetermansRedemption Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:47 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills fans are in for a rude awakening. They hated Edmunds the most when we were #1 in points and yards. There is long way down from #1. We might take that ride down next year. Expand As long as the playoff defense doesn’t get blown up, I’m fine with a regular season defense that isn’t ranked number 1. 2 2 Quote
colin Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:50 PM, PetermansRedemption said: As long as the playoff defense doesn’t get blown up, I’m fine with a regular season defense that isn’t ranked number 1. Expand lol, exactly. we halved our losses from the prior year in 2022, still got the clown shoe booting out of the playoffs w our D laying an egg (o too mind you). Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:50 PM, Beck Water said: In general, he tends to be accurate or high from what I've seen. Expand That valuation is very low though. He’ll come in around Smith, Leonard, and Werner. 24 years old. Physical freak. 1st round pick. He’s going to get some GM all hot and bothered. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 6:38 PM, BuffaloRebound said: McBeane don’t play the comp pick game. Every year we sign a big helping of veteran JAG’s instead of playing draft picks and we never have a net loss in free agency. Expand Up to now you are correct. However, he was never in the position before with a number of higher value FAs most likely leaving, not to mention a high dollar one like Edmunds. There could be a change after the season. We shall see. On 2/17/2023 at 7:47 PM, Beck Water said: Spotrac, which is usually fairly astute, says 4 years/$44M Market Value 4 yrs, $44,035,532 Avg. Salary: $11,008,883 NFL Rank: 183 ILB Rank: 7 Expand What is weird is that earlier this season his market value was over $14M on Spotrac. Not sure why it dropped so much. I'm thinking Edmunds get over $15M per year on a 4-5 year contract. Quote
Beck Water Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:50 PM, DrDawkinstein said: That valuation is as accurate as a Zillow appraisal number. Way off. Expand So what in your POV would be accurate? Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Any unsigned player is testing the market regardless of whatever they may say. That’s the business. 1 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe we can get a really good guard for half of the money Edmunds wants or even less. 1 Quote
SCBills Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:47 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills fans are in for a rude awakening. They hated Edmunds the most when we were #1 in points and yards. There is long way down from #1. We might take that ride down next year. Expand Will GLADLY trade that for an Offense that doesn’t require Josh Allen to be elite week in/week out to function. If McDermott needs Edmunds on a Defense that will have Von, Jones, Rousseau, Milano, Johnson, Elam, White and Hyde, then fire him now. 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:55 PM, Beck Water said: So what in your POV would be accurate? Expand He'll get a deal similar to Smith's, whether we think he deserves it or not. Smith is only making $9M this year and $13M next year, and has a good out after year 3. That would be a base salary pay cut for Edmunds (obviously made up in signing bonus for both Smith and Edmunds). Smith's deal says 5/$100M, but it's really 4/$60 if you want to play GM. Edmunds will get similar. It will say 5/$100, but unlikely it plays out like that and he'll have a low hit the next couple of seasons. Big part of why I think the Bills should bring him back as a historical Edmunds detractor. On 2/17/2023 at 7:56 PM, Bill from NYC said: Maybe we can get a really good guard for half of the money Edmunds wants or even less. Expand What really good guard is available for $4M next year? Quote
ngbills Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 4:52 PM, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Replace with a cheaper option, someone like KC did with Nick Bolton. Use the money saved on offensive line and WR. Expand KC drafted Bolton. We tried that and wound up with Bernard and Spector while KC got Bolton and Chenal not to mention Gay and Karlaftis. Quote
Beck Water Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 7:59 PM, DrDawkinstein said: He'll get a deal similar to Smith's, whether we think he deserves it or not. Smith is only making $9M this year and $13M next year, and has a good out after year 3. That would be a base salary pay cut for Edmunds (obviously made up in signing bonus for both Smith and Edmunds). Smith's deal says 5/$100M, but it's really 4/$60 if you want to play GM. Edmunds will get similar. It will say 5/$100, but unlikely it plays out like that and he'll have a low hit the next couple of seasons. Big part of why I think the Bills should bring him back as a historical Edmunds detractor. Expand I would go with $14/15 AAV On 2/17/2023 at 7:59 PM, DrDawkinstein said: What really good guard is available for $4M next year? Expand What really good guard is available in FA next year, period? Quote
H2o Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 In other words, Edmunds is going for the biggest contract he can get. Fine by me. He's a good player, but not worth elite $$$. ✌️✌️ Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 8:02 PM, Beck Water said: What really good guard is available in FA next year, period? Expand Isaac Seumalo is probably the best. After that... Ben Powers or Nate Davis might be doable for $4-5M maybe. Dalton Risner maybe? Quote
somnus00 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 I don't think people realize how good, or important, he is. Sure, he doesn't make a lot of splash plays (a function of playing in Frazier's defense I suspect). But he's able to take chunks of the field away and lowers the overall efficiency of the opposing offense. I'd hate to lose him. It creates a massive hole. 1 Quote
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