Matt Araiza, The Punt God, Signs With Team in Mexico

[Mr. WEO]

54 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

We saw 1 punt that would go down as the longest in the NFL this year.. yep, that’s an indication of talent, not to mention all the bombs he cut loose in college.  How have we NOT seen talent?  You’re flat out trolling.

Lol he can retire to the HOF on that one punt.

 

he’s a Punter—who cares?? Bills don’t need a new Punter.  No team seems to want him either.  

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Lol he can retire to the HOF on that one punt.

 

he’s a Punter—who cares?? Bills don’t need a new Punter.  No team seems to want him either.  

*No team can come across seeming to want him 

[boyst]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

When did we see that?  He had 1 punt as a Bills player (preseason).

 

 

Bills (any team) can release any player at any time.  What would be the basis for his suit? 

 

 

Why do they need him at this point?

There is no basis for my statement on legal grounds and there shouldn't be. But the principal i think is that it's reprehensible the guy was kicked to the curb because the simps of the world wanted blood over accusations and hysteria.

[nedboy7]

No need for Araiza anywhere near this team. 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, SCBills said:

*No team can come across seeming to want him 

 

How else would they get him on their roster?

 

12 hours ago, boyst said:

There is no basis for my statement on legal grounds and there shouldn't be. But the principal i think is that it's reprehensible the guy was kicked to the curb because the simps of the world wanted blood over accusations and hysteria.

 

None of us know that the accusations were not true.  He wasn't charged because DA's like to win cases and these are notoriously difficult cases to win--especially if the victim/witness has credibility issues.  In SD County, over a 4 year span, only 1/4 of cases involving rape and sex crime related allegations resulted in charges being issued.  Therefore, that says nothing about his innocence. Teams and individuals are certainly within their rights to come to their own conclusions.  He put himself in this position.  He is owed nothing by anyone.

[boyst]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How else would they get him on their roster?

 

 

None of us know that the accusations were not true.  He wasn't charged because DA's like to win cases and these are notoriously difficult cases to win--especially if the victim/witness has credibility issues.  In SD County, over a 4 year span, only 1/4 of cases involving rape and sex crime related allegations resulted in charges being issued.  Therefore, that says nothing about his innocence. Teams and individuals are certainly within their rights to come to their own conclusions.  He put himself in this position.  He is owed nothing by anyone.

Actually, that's where you're wrong. It says everything about his Innocence. He is without a doubt innocent. In this country people forget that is the foundation on which we rely. 

 

Arguing that he put himself in this position Yes, he thought the girl was of age. That's about it. That's not illegal.

[SCBills]

Araiza was misled by a woman he had sex with about her age. 
 

All the ancillary stuff aside, that’s the only fact we have from this case.   
 

Because of that (and unproven accusations), he likely lost his career in the NFL.  As we see with some posters on this board, no NFL team can bring him back because he’s been branded by the accusation and is only a punter.  
 

It’s pretty gross what happened to him, and I think our GM knows it.  You could see it on his face when he eventually had to let him go.  Beane knew what the deal was.   Societal pressure, and likely the NFL, forced his hand. 
 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by SCBills

[MrEpsYtown]

Now is the best time to bring him back. Everyone thinks we suck again and its the beginning of the end for the Bills  anyway. So they will just pile on. Who cares? 

I think he should get another shot and I would be pretty upset if he goes and signs with Bengals or something and becomes a game changing punter. 

 

What he was accused of is terrible. What it sound like he actually did I am guessing 85% of the NFL did in college. I think it’s fair to bring him back to compete with someone else. 

[Mr. WEO]

26 minutes ago, boyst said:

Actually, that's where you're wrong. It says everything about his Innocence. He is without a doubt innocent. In this country people forget that is the foundation on which we rely. 

 

Arguing that he put himself in this position Yes, he thought the girl was of age. That's about it. That's not illegal.

 

There is a presumption of innocence--but that is in court.  But even in court, defendant is proven guilty or not guilty, not "actually innocent"---and he didn't have to answer the charges in court.  You have no idea what he did or didn't do.  Therefore, you can't factually tell others he is "without a doubt innocent".  Your argument  is simply an opinion, which is yours to have--same as every NFL exec who feels he's not the guy for their team. 

[Doc]

59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

None of us know that the accusations were not true.  He wasn't charged because DA's like to win cases and these are notoriously difficult cases to win--especially if the victim/witness has credibility issues.  In SD County, over a 4 year span, only 1/4 of cases involving rape and sex crime related allegations resulted in charges being issued.  Therefore, that says nothing about his innocence. Teams and individuals are certainly within their rights to come to their own conclusions.  He put himself in this position.  He is owed nothing by anyone.

 

She also put herself in that position by going to a college party, getting drunk and lying about her age in order to have sex with a college guy.  Lying about telling him her real age, possibly being drugged by him and him being involved in the gang rape, which she can't even remember, is reprehensible and why her civil suit will also fail.

 

That being said, the Bills were right to cut him because they didn't need this hanging over their heads.  As it stands, the criminal aspect was only decided in early Decemeber and the civil aspect is still on-going.  If he wins the civil suit, he should be allowed to play in the NFL again.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

She also put herself in that position by going to a college party, getting drunk and lying about her age in order to have sex with a college guy.  Lying about telling him her real age, possibly being drugged by him and him being involved in the gang rape, which she can't even remember, is reprehensible and why her civil suit will also fail.

 

That being said, the Bills were right to cut him because they didn't need this hanging over their heads.  As it stands, the criminal aspect was only decided in early Decemeber and the civil aspect is still on-going.  If he wins the civil suit, he should be allowed to play in the NFL again.

 

I don't think anyone is supporting her decisions as completely sound.   But that is irrelevant. 

 

She may have lied about her age, but no one has determined if she lied about the rest.  SO it's not reprehensible as of yet.

 

And no one has declared that he is "not allowed to play in the NFL again".   What if, after the civil trial, no team feels any Punter is worth having this much?  It's simply not that important a position. Quick:  who's the best Punter in the league?  The worst?  Who cares? 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

I don't think anyone is supporting her decisions as completely sound.   But that is irrelevant. 

 

She may have lied about her age, but no one has determined if she lied about the rest.  SO it's not reprehensible as of yet.

 

And no one has declared that he is "not allowed to play in the NFL again".   What if, after the civil trial, no team feels any Punter is worth having this much?  It's simply not that important a position. Quick:  who's the best Punter in the league?  The worst?  Who cares? 

 

Wait, lying about telling him her real age to get him charged with statutory rape isn't reprehensible?  Are you kidding me?

 

Do you actually believe she told him she was 17?  A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

And what are you talking about?  Teams care about punters.  The Ravens and Bucs drafted one last year in the 4th round.  As for the best one this year, IMO is was Ryan Stonehouse.

Edited February 18, 2023 by Doc

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

There is a presumption of innocence--but that is in court.  But even in court, defendant is proven guilty or not guilty, not "actually innocent"---and he didn't have to answer the charges in court.  You have no idea what he did or didn't do.  Therefore, you can't factually tell others he is "without a doubt innocent".  Your argument  is simply an opinion, which is yours to have--same as every NFL exec who feels he's not the guy for their team. 

Well, I maintain that almost everyone who wastes the air to speak so strongly on such things to virtue signal should be shot on into space. Anyone who judges this guy on the maybes and buts is a moron of the highest class and hopefully decides to live a solitary isolated life in Asheville to never come down from the hills or disrupt the lives of functioning adults. 

[SCBills]

31 minutes ago, boyst said:

Well, I maintain that almost everyone who wastes the air to speak so strongly on such things to virtue signal should be shot on into space. Anyone who judges this guy on the maybes and buts is a moron of the highest class and hopefully decides to live a solitary isolated life in Asheville to never come down from the hills or disrupt the lives of functioning adults. 

We’ll never hear a mea culpa from the prominent Bills Twitter personalities or podcasters.  
 

They were real quick to make judgments for clout.   
 

Not a word from them since.  

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Wait, lying about telling him her real age to get him charged with statutory rape isn't reprehensible?  Are you kidding me?

 

Do you actually believe she told him she was 17?  A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

And what are you talking about?  Teams care about punters.  The Ravens and Bucs drafted one last year in the 4th round.  As for the best one this year, IMO is was Ryan Stonehouse.

 

It wasn't just "statutory" rape she initially alleged.......

 

Also, not providing full disclosure is "reprehensible"?   Hmmmm....see below.

 

If your Offense stinks (Titans) maybe a Punter is valuable.  Stonehouse is top 5 in yards....becasue he punted 90 times!  Otherwise not top 5 in net or %  inside  the 20.

 

And just because teams blow a 4th on a Punter doesn't mean it was a good pick (those weren't outstanding picks).. Even "The Punt God" didn't get a sniff until the 6th round. 

 

 

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Well, I maintain that almost everyone who wastes the air to speak so strongly on such things to virtue signal should be shot on into space. Anyone who judges this guy on the maybes and buts is a moron of the highest class and hopefully decides to live a solitary isolated life in Asheville to never come down from the hills or disrupt the lives of functioning adults. 

 

"So strongly"?  I was just pointing out the obvious error in your post.  I think if you knew what "virtue signaling" meant, you probably wouldn't have said that.  But then again....

 

Anyway, at what point in your review of all of the evidence with SDPD and the DA did you conclude he was actually innocent.  Share with us!

 

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

We’ll never hear a mea culpa from the prominent Bills Twitter personalities or podcasters.  
 

They were real quick to make judgments for clout.   
 

Not a word from them since.  

 

Mea culpa?  For what?  Before he was drafted, he said nothing about this event to the Bills (his lawyer initially lied and said he did, then retracted and said "maybe it was after the draft".

 

If this kid had been up front with the Bills before they picked him, the Bills would have saved themselves a lot of trouble.  But he wasn't-----and now they owe HIM an apology?

 

That's pretty rich.

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It wasn't just "statutory" rape she initially alleged.......

 

Also, not providing full disclosure is "reprehensible"?   Hmmmm....see below.

 

If your Offense stinks (Titans) maybe a Punter is valuable.  Stonehouse is top 5 in yards....becasue he punted 90 times!  Otherwise not top 5 in net or %  inside  the 20.

 

And just because teams blow a 4th on a Punter doesn't mean it was a good pick (those weren't outstanding picks).. Even "The Punt God" didn't get a sniff until the 6th round. 

 

 

 

"So strongly"?  I was just pointing out the obvious error in your post.  I think if you knew what "virtue signaling" meant, you probably wouldn't have said that.  But then again....

 

Anyway, at what point in your review of all of the evidence with SDPD and the DA did you conclude he was actually innocent.  Share with us!

 

 

Mea culpa?  For what?  Before he was drafted, he said nothing about this event to the Bills (his lawyer initially lied and said he did, then retracted and said "maybe it was after the draft".

 

If this kid had been up front with the Bills before they picked him, the Bills would have saved themselves a lot of trouble.  But he wasn't-----and now they owe HIM an apology?

 

That's pretty rich.

I don't need to prove anything. I was not on his grand jury, I did not review the evidence, I know how the system works because I've read the Constitution you know elementary school. It's been a while I guess... Has it changed?

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

We’ll never hear a mea culpa from the prominent Bills Twitter personalities or podcasters.  
 

They were real quick to make judgments for clout.   
 

Not a word from them since.  

The one time it came up on WGR after the fact the two dudes in the afternoon who were so quick to torch him said the bills have moved on and we should too as the fans because we've won a bunch of games or some crap like that. 

 

Of course yes, we need to forget about it... Because when it happens again, well, we need to have our pitchforks ready and forget all about the first time... 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, boyst said:

I don't need to prove anything. I was not on his grand jury, I did not review the evidence, I know how the system works because I've read the Constitution you know elementary school. It's been a while I guess... Has it changed?

The one time it came up on WGR after the fact the two dudes in the afternoon who were so quick to torch him said the bills have moved on and we should too as the fans because we've won a bunch of games or some crap like that. 

 

Of course yes, we need to forget about it... Because when it happens again, well, we need to have our pitchforks ready and forget all about the first time... 

 

 

Cool! tell us where in the (US) Constitution, the words "innocent until proven guilty" appear.  You probably have the whole document memorized from that elementary school that gave birth to your penchant for Constitutional scholarship.

 

Let's hear it---"school" us.  

 

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Mea culpa?  For what?  Before he was drafted, he said nothing about this event to the Bills (his lawyer initially lied and said he did, then retracted and said "maybe it was after the draft".

 

If this kid had been up front with the Bills before they picked him, the Bills would have saved themselves a lot of trouble.  But he wasn't-----and now they owe HIM an apology?

 

That's pretty rich.

Bills Mafia Babes, most the podcast folks, most on WGR referred to him in the strongest sense as a rapist.  Zero interest in his side.  
 

Maybe someone should accuse them, ruin their reputation, and they can hope one day to regain what was taken from them. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

It wasn't just "statutory" rape she initially alleged.......

 

Also, not providing full disclosure is "reprehensible"?   Hmmmm....see below.

 

If your Offense stinks (Titans) maybe a Punter is valuable.  Stonehouse is top 5 in yards....becasue he punted 90 times!  Otherwise not top 5 in net or %  inside  the 20.

 

And just because teams blow a 4th on a Punter doesn't mean it was a good pick (those weren't outstanding picks).. Even "The Punt God" didn't get a sniff until the 6th round.

 

Yeah, she also made the equally unbelievable claim that he went back for seconds, this time with his buddies.  The statutory rape lie was meant to bolster that claim.

 

And not telling the Bills about it isn't even in the same ballpark.  LOL!  Good one.  But it's the reason why he has no case against the Bills or NFL.

 

As for the punter part, take the loss.  Again teams, and good ones at that, value them.  Obviously more than you do. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bills Mafia Babes, most the podcast folks, most on WGR referred to him in the strongest sense as a rapist.  Zero interest in his side.  
 

Maybe someone should accuse them, ruin their reputation, and they can hope one day to regain what was taken from them. 

 

His side is "I didn't do it".  He has had plenty of time to elaborate publicly on that.  

 

"Bills Mafia Babes" didn't create the accusations, they responded to them.  They said "if they are false, go on with your business. If they are true, cut him immediately".  

 

 

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, she also made the equally unbelievable claim that he went back for seconds, this time with his buddies.  The statutory rape lie was meant to bolster that claim.

 

And not telling the Bills about it isn't even in the same ballpark.  LOL!  Good one.

 

As for the punter part, take the loss.  Again teams, and good ones at that, value them.  Obviously more than you do. 

 

There you go.  Obviously the more serious of the allegations....

 

Is it "unbelievable" because the Matt Araiza you know would never even consider such an act?

 

Not telling the Bills is "reprehensible"--they almost certainly would NOT have drafted him had they known.  He hid it, thus forcing them to take massive heat, looking  foolish for the entire, albeit brief, period this kid was on the team.   It was all avoidable.

 

Yes, teams have Punters----a position so valuable that every team  hopes in  every game to use as little as possible. Good point!