Matt Araiza, The Punt God, Signs With Team in Mexico

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Same ones who think "no charges" means "completely innocent". But they are masters of Bird Law.

 

 

Yup...prosecutors only prosecute cases they believe they can prove. Not being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt someone is guilty of something does not mean they didn't do it...it just means they don't feel they can win that argument in a court of law with a jury.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

He won't ever punt in the NFL again.  Heard through the grape vine, he has a substantial lawsuit about to be brought against the Bills and the NFL.  He about to be highest paid punter.

 

Tell us more about this magical fruit plant that tells you things.

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Tell us more about this magical fruit plant that tells you things.

 

Marvin Gaye sang a song about what he heard...perhaps the poster could do the same for us?

[MrEpsYtown]

You know...it's finally time for Michael Turk!

[dollars 2 donuts]

24 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

People who have zero understanding of how employment law works.

 

As soon as the girl was caught on video saying she was "planning to increase her body count by more than one that night" prosecutors had nothing to work on.  She would have been eviscerated on cross examination by the defense.

 

 

Turk, I absolutely hear you, brother, and that is part of the point.

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

Wow, this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen on this forum.  He will win whatever lawsuit he files.  Not only was he a union employee, the Bills cut the guy he was competing with and then proceed to cut Araiza only after he was wrongfully accused of a crime.  He should have been suspended and placed on the commission exempt list while the process played out.  There are countless other situations within NFL where that was what happened.

 

If he files a suit against the NFL and/or Bills, he'll never punt in the NFL again.  The short term monetary gain (not that there would be any) wouldn't be worth it.  

 

38 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

As soon as the girl was caught on video saying she was "planning to increase her body count by more than one that night" prosecutors had nothing to work on.  She would have been eviscerated on cross examination by the defense.

 

That and claiming she was 18.  

Edited February 17, 2023 by Doc

[MrEpsYtown]

The left footed punter in college that I know of is Kai Kroeger, South Carolina. I don't know much about him other than the fact that is is a lefty. Noty sure if he entered the draft this year.  

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

The Bills can cut whoever they want for any reason. Cutting someone due to having legal issues and not wanting a player who was distracted with that and facing the potential of going to jail and forcing them to find a punter last second is plenty of enough reason to cut someone.  

 

Nobody has a right to be on a team, there is this thing called At Will Employment that exists.

 

I haven't read the CBA, so I don't know if members of the NFL players union are considered "at will" employees.  Maybe, maybe not.  That said, I'm sure the Bills consulted their employment counsel prior to terminating Arazia.  That lawyer should be familiar with what the CBA does and does not allow and should have advised the Bills on how to handle the situation.  Presumably, the league office was involved too (and if not, they should have been, given the sensitivity of the situation).  Given that the Players' Union didn't file any kind of grievance or throw their weight behind Arazia, I suspect that releasing the player was within the confines if the CBA and that any lawsuit against the Bills and/or the league would have little merit and would likely be tossed out of court.  While it's possible that the league may choose to settle the case to avoid negative publicity, I think that the court of public opinion would side with the Bills and the league on this one, so I don't think they'll be forced into a settlement for publicity reasons.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

I haven't read the CBA, so I don't know if members of the NFL players union are considered "at will" employees.  Maybe, maybe not.  That said, I'm sure the Bills consulted their employment counsel prior to terminating Arazia.  That lawyer should be familiar with what the CBA does and does not allow and should have advised the Bills on how to handle the situation.  Presumably, the league office was involved too (and if not, they should have been, given the sensitivity of the situation).  Given that the Players' Union didn't file any kind of grievance or throw their weight behind Arazia, I suspect that releasing the player was within the confines if the CBA and that any lawsuit against the Bills and/or the league would have little merit and would likely be tossed out of court.  While it's possible that the league may choose to settle the case to avoid negative publicity, I think that the court of public opinion would side with the Bills and the league on this one, so I don't think they'll be forced into a settlement for publicity reasons.

 

 

When, in the history of the NFL, have teams been unable to cut players during camp for whatever reason they see fit? Y'all are getting too caught up in what you think is "fair" for poor Araiza and not realizing that he is just another guy that got cut in camp. Like hundreds of others every year, and thousands that came before him.

[fan_in_tx]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yup...prosecutors only prosecute cases they believe they can prove. Not being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt someone is guilty of something does not mean they didn't do it...it just means they don't feel they can win that argument in a court of law with a jury.

This is the problem with the thinking of most Americans today.  Our court system is built on the "Presumption of innocence", but the mob justice system in America today is fueled by Social Media with the "presumption of guilt" based on the charge.      Need to fix this...   Guy should not have been penalized simply by a charged offense, especially when we have seen this example of false accusations many times in our society.   Ask yourself, is Michael Irvin guilty?

Edited February 17, 2023 by fan_in_tx

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, fan_in_tx said:

This is the problem with the thinking of most Americans today.  Our court system is built on the "Presumption of innocence", but the mob justice system in America today is fueled by Social Media with the "presumption of guilt" based on the charge.      Need to fix this...   Guy should not have been penalized simply by a charged offense, especially when we have seen this example of false accusations many times in our society.   Ask yourself, is Michael Irvin guilty?

 

Yes. Always. That's an easy one.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The left footed punter in college that I know of is Kai Kroeger, South Carolina. I don't know much about him other than the fact that is is a lefty. Noty sure if he entered the draft this year.  

Silly boy...

1. All left footed punters automatically become the property of the New England Patriots, until such time that they are waived or traded.

2. You now owe New England a conditional draft pick for violating item 1.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Wow, this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen on this forum.  He will win whatever lawsuit he files.  Not only was he a union employee, the Bills cut the guy he was competing with and then proceed to cut Araiza only after he was wrongfully accused of a crime.  He should have been suspended and placed on the commission exempt list while the process played out.  There are countless other situations within NFL where that was what happened.

Lol. Sure we’ll see.

[extrahammer]

It's funny how quickly the media ditched the story when they realized what a shyster the victim's attorney is. 

[Mr. WEO]

No NFL needs a Punter this badly.  

22 minutes ago, fan_in_tx said:

This is the problem with the thinking of most Americans today.  Our court system is built on the "Presumption of innocence", but the mob justice system in America today is fueled by Social Media with the "presumption of guilt" based on the charge.      Need to fix this...   Guy should not have been penalized simply by a charged offense, especially when we have seen this example of false accusations many times in our society.   Ask yourself, is Michael Irvin guilty?

 

 

lol

[Bob Jones]

I think the Bills should apologize for tarnishing MA's good name, and make him a decent offer to come back. That would be the right thing to do. 😉

[Jerome007]

I'm sure he will get another shot at the NFL. He's not been convicted, he had his run with the "justice system", so why would you ban him for life?

 

I get why the Bills didn't want the relentless media attention for a rookie, and noticed they released him without saying he was guilty and all that. They did it the right way (unless they knew of the story before dratfing him). 

[hondo in seattle]

I don't know what actually happened but I do know innocent-until-proven-guilty is dead in America.   

 

[DrDawkinstein]

15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I don't know what actually happened but I do know innocent-until-proven-guilty is dead in America.   

 

 

No it isnt. It's how the government courts still operate. Hence why no charges were brought against Araiza because the evidence wasnt there.

 

The court of public opinion has ALWAYS been guilty once you hit the news. You can go back to the advent of newspapers for that. It's simply human nature.

 

[chongli]

3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

He should have been suspended and placed on the commission exempt list while the process played out.  There are countless other situations within NFL where that was what happened.

 

The CBA does not allow the NFL to suspend players for alleged acts that happened prior to entering the NFL.