DrDawkinstein Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Bills' Josh Allen gives props to Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes: 'You gotta find ways to be like them' https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-josh-allen-gives-props-to-chiefs-mahomes-it-s-a-copycat-league-you-gotta-f Quote "They're the mantra of what you want to be and how you need to do it. Because, again they're just constantly in the AFC Championship Game; he's been in three Super Bowls now. Gotta find ways, it's a copycat league, you gotta find ways to be like them." I've heard this before from Beane and McDermott (and probably others) and now from Allen. We need to be like KC. We need to build the team to beat KC... WRONG Because I guarantee you that KC isnt trying to be like anyone else. They're simply trying to be the best team in the NFL regardless of what anyone else is doing. THAT is what McBeane and Co. should be doing. Stop peeking over the fence and trying to copy another team and just go build the best team in the entire NFL. Go be that team that everyone wants to copy. Because by the time you see what they are doing, make the moves to copy them, and bring it to fruition... they are already 2 more steps ahead that you can't copy. This is such a 2nd place mentality it makes me sick. 6 2 9 4 6 1 3 4 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 15, 2023 Author Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Why are you so poisonous? I prefer the term "toxic" 14 Quote
Billz4ever Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bills' Josh Allen gives props to Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes: 'You gotta find ways to be like them' https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-josh-allen-gives-props-to-chiefs-mahomes-it-s-a-copycat-league-you-gotta-f I've heard this before from Beane and McDermott (and probably others) and now from Allen. We need to be like KC. We need to build the team to beat KC... WRONG Because I guarantee you that KC isnt trying to be like anyone else. They're simply trying to be the best team in the NFL regardless of what anyone else is doing. THAT is what McBeane and Co. should be doing. Stop peeking over the fence and trying to copy another team and just go build the best team in the entire NFL. Go be that team that everyone wants to copy. Because by the time you see what they are doing, make the moves to copy them, and bring it to fruition... they are already 2 more steps ahead that you can't copy. This is such a 2nd place mentality it makes me sick. One look at our O-Line compared to theirs, it's quite clear we haven't been trying to copy them. In the coaching dept, I don't know if we ever get on par with them. 1 3 2 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 15, 2023 Author Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Billz4ever said: One look at our O-Line compared to theirs, it's quite clear we haven't been trying to copy them. In the coaching dept, I don't know if we ever get on par with them. OL and Coaching you say? Groundbreaking offseason comment. Quote
Gugny Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: I prefer the term "toxic" In all seriousness, I somewhat agree with Josh and Beane. I get - and agree - with what you're saying, as far as not wanting to copy the Chiefs, per se, because like you said - we'll always be behind if that's the plan. But I'm interpreting this a little differently. I think it's more of: we need a better O-line; we need better pass catching options; we need better coaching. That's really what most teams need. Those are also all areas in which Kansas City is better than Buffalo. That's just my take, anyway. Oh ... one more thing ... not quitting midway through the first quarter of a playoff game would be a nice enhancement, too. 4 2 5 Quote
Billz4ever Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: OL and Coaching you say? Groundbreaking offseason comment. How is that not true though? 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: In all seriousness, I somewhat agree with Josh and Beane. I get - and agree - with what you're saying, as far as not wanting to copy the Chiefs, per se, because like you said - we'll always be behind if that's the plan. But I'm interpreting this a little differently. I think it's more of: we need a better O-line; we need better pass catching options; we need better coaching. That's really what most teams need. Those are also all areas in which Kansas City is better than Buffalo. That's just my take, anyway. Oh ... one more thing ... not quitting midway through the first quarter of a playoff game would be a nice enhancement, too. That was my take. You can't copy a team. You can't replicate a Mahomes, a Kelce, or a Reid. You can look at where their strengths are and say that we need to get better in certain areas and commit more resources and attention to them. In our case, O-Line being one of those glaring needs. You don't have to say we're copying KC, but that is a sure strength of theirs and I think that was the point he was making. Edited February 15, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bills' Josh Allen gives props to Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes: 'You gotta find ways to be like them' https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-josh-allen-gives-props-to-chiefs-mahomes-it-s-a-copycat-league-you-gotta-f I've heard this before from Beane and McDermott (and probably others) and now from Allen. We need to be like KC. We need to build the team to beat KC... WRONG Because I guarantee you that KC isnt trying to be like anyone else. They're simply trying to be the best team in the NFL regardless of what anyone else is doing. THAT is what McBeane and Co. should be doing. Stop peeking over the fence and trying to copy another team and just go build the best team in the entire NFL. Go be that team that everyone wants to copy. Because by the time you see what they are doing, make the moves to copy them, and bring it to fruition... they are already 2 more steps ahead that you can't copy. This is such a 2nd place mentality it makes me sick. Hard disagree. We do need to learn to be like them offensively. Its a night and day difference watching their offensive play calling and designs that scheme guys open...not only open...wide open. The two TD passes to Toney and then Sky Moore in the SB were the exact same routes on opposite sides, and both were wide open and untouched...and both were plays they ran many times for scores or first downs all year. Those guys are wide open because of the overall play design, not just their route. Or look at those shovel passes almost like runs up the middle they do with guys like Kelce on down and short or near endzone. These plays have a high degree of success and its do to the creativity they have built into their offense. We had defenders talking about the limited route trees our guys run, or knowing exactly where we were going on certain plays. They have said that both offensively and defensively. Kelce last year humiliated Frazier on National TV saying if he plays it like that again hit me on the seem its wide open...and that is exactly what happened to get the FG in 13 seconds. Everything we do is so vanilla and the opponents keep coming up with answers to counter us. This year, our offense felt like it was lacking hard in creativity, situational awareness, schemes to get guys open, or even just general best use of personnel. We have a RB drafted to catch passes and get into space in Cook, yet we don't throw him many balls and frequently run him up the middle instead. We trade for Hines, like the 12th most expensive RB in the league and don't even try to incorporate him into the offense. So...sorry, I absolutely agree we need to be more like KC...not saying copy what they do, but we need to inject a massive heaping of better creativity, better schemes, better situational awareness, and better use of personnel on both sides of the ball. 8 3 3 Quote
PatsFanNH Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bills' Josh Allen gives props to Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes: 'You gotta find ways to be like them' https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-josh-allen-gives-props-to-chiefs-mahomes-it-s-a-copycat-league-you-gotta-f I've heard this before from Beane and McDermott (and probably others) and now from Allen. We need to be like KC. We need to build the team to beat KC... WRONG Because I guarantee you that KC isnt trying to be like anyone else. They're simply trying to be the best team in the NFL regardless of what anyone else is doing. THAT is what McBeane and Co. should be doing. Stop peeking over the fence and trying to copy another team and just go build the best team in the entire NFL. Go be that team that everyone wants to copy. Because by the time you see what they are doing, make the moves to copy them, and bring it to fruition... they are already 2 more steps ahead that you can't copy. This is such a 2nd place mentality it makes me sick. Umm ya what Allen said was all true. IMO KC has the best TE in the game who always seems to get open but more importantly their coaches schemed a hole bunch of other players open as well in the SB. That is definitely something every team can copycat! Quote
H2o Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Pretty sure he's talking about being able to be at the summit of the AFC, and the whole NFL. Not necessarily modeling the Chiefs in every facet, but more so being able to mirror that type of success. It was said about the Patriots for years. Right now, the Chiefs are the new Pats. 2 Quote
PatsFanNH Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: One look at our O-Line compared to theirs, it's quite clear we haven't been trying to copy them. In the coaching dept, I don't know if we ever get on par with them. Funny thing is the Chiefs fixed their O after getting crushed by the Bucs a couple years ago. Then they went and spent in FA and draft picks. 1 1 Quote
Bob Jones Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 I mean, every team in the league should be copying (or stealing) their offensive schemes and plays if it'll get guys wide open all over the field. 😉 1 1 Quote
Billz4ever Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, PatsFanNH said: Funny thing is the Chiefs fixed their O after getting crushed by the Bucs a couple years ago. Then they went and spent in FA and draft picks. I really hope Beane gets serious and does better than bringing in clowns like Saffold or it's going to be a looong season. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 15, 2023 Author Posted February 15, 2023 Who do the Chiefs try to copy then? 1 Quote
Ramza86 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Bills' Josh Allen gives props to Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes: 'You gotta find ways to be like them' https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-josh-allen-gives-props-to-chiefs-mahomes-it-s-a-copycat-league-you-gotta-f I've heard this before from Beane and McDermott (and probably others) and now from Allen. We need to be like KC. We need to build the team to beat KC... WRONG Because I guarantee you that KC isnt trying to be like anyone else. They're simply trying to be the best team in the NFL regardless of what anyone else is doing. THAT is what McBeane and Co. should be doing. Stop peeking over the fence and trying to copy another team and just go build the best team in the entire NFL. Go be that team that everyone wants to copy. Because by the time you see what they are doing, make the moves to copy them, and bring it to fruition... they are already 2 more steps ahead that you can't copy. This is such a 2nd place mentality it makes me sick. As long as Andy Reid and Mahomes are together and we still have McDermott we will be far behind. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gugny said: In all seriousness, I somewhat agree with Josh and Beane. I get - and agree - with what you're saying, as far as not wanting to copy the Chiefs, per se, because like you said - we'll always be behind if that's the plan. But I'm interpreting this a little differently. I think it's more of: we need a better O-line; we need better pass catching options; we need better coaching. That's really what most teams need. Those are also all areas in which Kansas City is better than Buffalo. That's just my take, anyway. Oh ... one more thing ... not quitting midway through the first quarter of a playoff game would be a nice enhancement, too. Unfortunately this response is more than your take. It's actually the factual truth. Reid could coach circles around McD and we're starting to see young innovative HC's like Mike McDaniels and Taylor do the same. It's pathetic to think Sean thought the difference in beating KC was to acquire Von. When in reality it was improving your OL, WR2, Running game, OC etc. Edited February 15, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 2 1 Quote
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Maybe the Bills coaches and GM have no clue on how to build a championship team, which is why Josh wants them to look over the fence and copy the chiefs Edited February 15, 2023 by JakeFrommStateFarm 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 15, 2023 Author Posted February 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: How is that not true though? It's true, as evidenced by the million comments and threads already discussing that. This was a thread on Team Building Philosophy that has now been bastardized into yet another Coaching/OL thread. Quote
uticaclub Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I prefer the term "toxic" I'm spilling over Quote
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