Don't think "WR2" in the upcoming draft. Think WR1.

[GunnerBill]

On 2/14/2023 at 5:50 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I agree and disagree. I agree we need a future #1 Wr I disagree that Wr is available in this draft. This class of Wrs is brutally bad in my opinion and we should draft to rebuild the Oline with a much better class of prospects at that position. Kick the can to 2024 draft for that Wr we’re there’s much better players. 
 

Beane has to be careful no more blowing picks he needs to know where the strength is in the draft and follow suit because u blow this Pk your in a awkward position going into the next draft where now u can’t take a WR again . It’s kind of like the dog chasing his tail analogy . 

 

The worst WR draft since 2016 IMO. I'd take Addison if he made it to the Bills. I don't think he is great, or a conventional #1 but he can do a bit of everything. Not sure I'd be mad on any of the others. If you put last year's class and this year's class together, Addison is WR5, Johnson is WR7, nobody else from this year currently has a grade that would get him into my top 10. 

 

Would be 1. Olave; 2. Williams; 3. Burks; 4. Wilson; 5. Addison; 6. London; 7. Johnston; 8. Watson; 9. Dotson; 10. Pickens. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by GunnerBill

[LABILLBACKER]

We need both simultaneously.  Someone to Start grooming for Diggs and maybe Davis in a couple years. Get them both on rookie deals asap. I'm not saying we'll be able to get them both this April but we need at least 1 and draft the other next year.

Edited February 14, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Straight Hucklebuck]

We say things like this all the time. 

 

This is a good class for this, this a good class for that. 

 

But this boils down to 2-3 guys usually. 

 

2014 is supposed to be paramount example - Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks, Adams. 

Evans is the man, 9 straight years of 1,000+ yards and Adams. 

 

Otherwise, Watkins was a bust, Beckham was good for 4 years, Cooks can't settle on a team although he has been productive. 

 

 

So if that was the Mount Rushmore of WR classes, then you're most likely not getting more than 2-3 WR1's in any class anyways. 

 

But is it logical to avoid

 

Johnston

Smith-Ngijba

Addison

Flowers

Hyatt

Downs 

Dell

 

And say they're not good enough?

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We need both simultaneously.  Someone to Start grooming for Diggs and maybe Davis in a couple years. Get them both on rookie deals asap. I'm not saying we'll be able to get them both this April but we need at least 1 and draft the other next year.

 

They should take a WR somewhere in the first two days. But this is not a great draft. You can't just force one because you need one. 

[LABILLBACKER]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The worst WR draft since 2016 IMO. I'd take Addison if he made it to the Bills. I don't think he is great, or a conventional #1 but he can do a bit of everything. Not sure I'd be mad on any of the others. If you put last year's class and this year's class together, Addison is WR5, Johnson is WR7, nobody else from this year currently has a grade that would get him into my top 10. 

 

Would be 1. Olave; 2. Williams; 3. Burks; 4. Wilson; 5. Addison; 6. London; 7. Johnson; 8. Watson; 9. Dotson; 10. Pickens. 

All I know is I'd have my WR scouts working OT this spring. We can't afford any busts.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

We say things like this all the time. 

 

This is a good class for this, this a good class for that. 

 

But this usually boils down to 2-3 guys usually. 

 

2014 is supposed to be paramount example - Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks, Adams. 

Evans is the man, 9 straight years of 1,000+ yards and Adams. 

 

Otherwise, Watkins was a bust, Beckham was good for 4 years, Cooks can't settle on a team although he has been productive. 

 

 

Plus Jarvis Landry and Allen Robinson.... the first two rounds of that draft were stacked with talent. About 50% of them paid off. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Plus Jarvis Landry and Allen Robinson.... the first two rounds of that draft were stacked with talent. About 50% of them paid off. 

 

Allen Robinson was awesome, until the torn ACL, now he's done. 

 

And Landry? He was a target-vacuum, but he's slow and that caught up to him as he was wasted in Cleveland. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The worst WR draft since 2016 IMO. I'd take Addison if he made it to the Bills. I don't think he is great, or a conventional #1 but he can do a bit of everything. Not sure I'd be mad on any of the others. If you put last year's class and this year's class together, Addison is WR5, Johnson is WR7, nobody else from this year currently has a grade that would get him into my top 10. 

 

Would be 1. Olave; 2. Williams; 3. Burks; 4. Wilson; 5. Addison; 6. London; 7. Johnson; 8. Watson; 9. Dotson; 10. Pickens. 

I assume you are talking about the 1st round in this scenario, but if that were to happen and Addison does make it to Bills, if an OL player is also there that is one of the better ones I wonder which way they go

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

I assume you are talking about the 1st round in this scenario, but if that were to happen and Addison does make it to Bills, if an OL player is also there that is one of the better ones I wonder which way they go

 

My biggest fear is, if you wait until Round 2, at #59 your out of the elite trait WRs if Johnston, Addison, Smith-Ngijba, Flowers, Downs, Hyatt, Dell are all gone. 

 

Then you're into the Iowa State WRs, Marvin Mims, Cedrick Tillman, R. Rice. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The worst WR draft since 2016 IMO. I'd take Addison if he made it to the Bills. I don't think he is great, or a conventional #1 but he can do a bit of everything. Not sure I'd be mad on any of the others. If you put last year's class and this year's class together, Addison is WR5, Johnson is WR7, nobody else from this year currently has a grade that would get him into my top 10. 

 

Would be 1. Olave; 2. Williams; 3. Burks; 4. Wilson; 5. Addison; 6. London; 7. Johnson; 8. Watson; 9. Dotson; 10. Pickens. 

I don’t even know if I would put Addison with these guys. I loved Calvin Austin lll last yr he didn’t play for the Steelers but I believe he’s the reason they traded away Claypool. 

[In Summary]

I like the mindset of the OP.  That really is the level of player we need given the laid-out factors.  Add to that Diggs going down for a couple games and having _____________?? as your #1.

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

My biggest fear is, if you wait until Round 2, at #59 your out of the elite trait WRs if Johnston, Addison, Smith-Ngijba, Flowers, Downs, Hyatt, Dell are all gone. 

 

Then you're into the Iowa State WRs, Marvin Mims, Cedrick Tillman, R. Rice. 

 

If looking at it that way,Wouldn't you say the same about OL. 

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I don’t even know if I would put Addison with these guys. I loved Calvin Austin lll last yr he didn’t play for the Steelers but I believe he’s the reason they traded away Claypool. 

 

He is higher floor than the guys I have him ahead of. I am not sure his ceiling is as high but in the right scheme Addison is a pretty safe bet. 

 

Austin is no more than a gimmick guy IMO.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

24 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

If looking at it that way,Wouldn't you say the same about OL. 

Yes, you're right. 

 

It's why I never have believed in BPA. 

 

Rank the position(s) that matter the most and target them in that order. 

[boater]

OL is highest priority.

 

What good is a fancy WR if Josh doesn't have time to throw the ball.

[HappyDays]

I'm not thinking about it in terms of WR1 of WR2. I'm thinking about it in terms of getting a skill set that we currently don't have on the roster. The less athletic route running specialists like Addison and JSN don't do it for me. That's what Diggs does for us. I want to take a swing at a WR with explosive traits. Someone that can out run everyone else on the field after catching the ball on short routes, or running to the ball on deep routes. To me that makes Jalin Hyatt the only WR that I'm interested in at pick 27, in fact I would pick him there pretty much no matter what. If he isn't there I would take the best OL available or trade down before selecting the best WR available.

[John from Riverside]

This is where you really need to be careful especially in the first

 

if you draft hamburger in the first it’s not gonna magically become ribeye

[Mrbojanglezs]

It will be defense in round 1 because McDermott

[Da webster guy]

Top 5 NFL offense averaging over 30pts a week for 3 years now.   Laid a 10 pt egg at home vs Bengals, is everyone now saying that the primary reason was our receivers weren't skilled enough to get separation?   Because from my perspective our guards and tackles were the ones who weren't skilled enough to stop the Bengals average Dline in pass pro AND run game, and our Dline sorely missed DaQuon and an impactful edge rusher.   That and our QB had some issues seeing the underneath stuff.

 

Our receivers are just as good as either team that played in the Superbowl.  They each had one stud in Kelce and AJ but that's about it.   The Bengals have the best trio of pass catchers in the league and they got held to 20 by a mediocre KC defense because they couldn't win the trench battle.

 

Its all about the big boy play.  Keep adding to the trenches, get big nasty agile athletes in there.  The fact that we've been doing that with limited success in recent years is all the more reason to keep at it until we get it right.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

BPA on offense no matter what it is

Is that a DT or a cornerback? Asking for mcbeane  🤷‍♂️