Don't think "WR2" in the upcoming draft. Think WR1.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

My hope is 3 OL & 1 WR in the first 4 rounds. What order doesn't really matter as long as we get great value.  And yes very soon we're going to have to target a 1st rounder to transition into Stefon's spot.

 

agree.  Try to find day 1 impact contributors.  In my recent mock, there were zero day 1 guys, but RB Robinson was there.  So i took him.  Make this offense hard to defend by giving JA the most tools you can.  (I then took OT in the 2nd) 

[Matt_In_NH]

Dont tell me what to think dude

[schoolhouserock]

I completely agree that the Bills should be thinking about their future WR1.

 

Currently, I am not sold on any of the draft-eligible WRs as being capable of dominating in the way a WR1 should.

 

There are some intriguing guys. Like Addison, for example, who has shown the ability to fit into multiple offensive schemes and to have great seasons with minimal “learning curves”. That is very attractive. He also appears to have an excellent feel for off-schedule plays, making him a great match for Josh. He has a very smooth way of running. So smooth is his running, that I find a nagging suspicion in my mind that he may lack the suddenness and/or speed to win consistently at the next level (same feel as JSN). Really want to see the measurements and speed / agility times from a whole host of these receivers.

 

I guess what I am saying is that, if the Bills are to use their first round draft choice on the best player available (hopefully best offensive player available), it may not be a WR. It may very well be an RB, should Bijan still be there. He may be the best shot at a talent projected to be truly elite. I have come to grips with the idea of yet another premium pick used on a now non-premium position because the dude could very well be the real deal.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

Elite WRS are much harder to get in the draft in later rounds compared to lineman. 

and most WRs take at least 3 seasons to reach their full potential. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

I agree and disagree. I agree we need a future #1 Wr I disagree that Wr is available in this draft. This class of Wrs is brutally bad in my opinion and we should draft to rebuild the Oline with a much better class of prospects at that position. Kick the can to 2024 draft for that Wr we’re there’s much better players. 
 

Beane has to be careful no more blowing picks he needs to know where the strength is in the draft and follow suit because u blow this Pk your in a awkward position going into the next draft where now u can’t take a WR again . It’s kind of like the dog chasing his tail analogy . 

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

 

This makes absolute sense.   But as much as we need another good receiver, we need OL help even more.  It would be great to successfully address both needs but resources are limited.

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

31 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Some disagree with your assessment on Robinson. 

 

 

 

No there is nothing on that vague chart that disagrees with my take...........which is that he lacks true breakaway speed.........which he would need to be a "complete" stud at RB.

 

Very good player but still just a RB.

[Tommy Callahan]

Always thought the best teams were built from the inside out..

 

but the playmakers/skilled possitions make the front page and sell tickets.

 

 

[Low Positive]

47 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I agree and disagree. I agree we need a future #1 Wr I disagree that Wr is available in this draft. This class of Wrs is brutally bad in my opinion and we should draft to rebuild the Oline with a much better class of prospects at that position. Kick the can to 2024 draft for that Wr we’re there’s much better players. 
 

Beane has to be careful no more blowing picks he needs to know where the strength is in the draft and follow suit because u blow this Pk your in a awkward position going into the next draft where now u can’t take a WR again . It’s kind of like the dog chasing his tail analogy . 

Nobody wants to hear this. They then fall into the trap of comparing prospects in a given draft to each other, rather than against the existing pool of NFL players. Even if you draft the top ranked WR in this class he is probably at most a WR2.

[Senth]

4 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

I think the OL needs to be addressed in those rounds first and foremost

priority 1 and priority 2 toughen up the trenches asap.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I agree and disagree. I agree we need a future #1 Wr I disagree that Wr is available in this draft. This class of Wrs is brutally bad in my opinion and we should draft to rebuild the Oline with a much better class of prospects at that position. Kick the can to 2024 draft for that Wr we’re there’s much better players. 
 

Beane has to be careful no more blowing picks he needs to know where the strength is in the draft and follow suit because u blow this Pk your in a awkward position going into the next draft where now u can’t take a WR again . It’s kind of like the dog chasing his tail analogy . 

 

Garrett Wilson has claimed JSN is better than either him or Chris Olave multiple times and was just asked before the SB if he still thinks that is the case and he said "I stand on it".  Says they called him "The Natural" because he makes everything look so easy.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Big Turk

[Rebel101]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

The Bills should be in win now mode still with the roster. And replacing Diggs will have to eventually happen. Having both is only a plus. I would have loved to see Hodgins performance in this offense with Diggs & Davis. 🤷🏻‍♂️

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

This is a weaker draft than the past few years at the WR position though. 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Garrett Wilson has claimed JSN is better than either him or Chris Olave multiple times and was just asked before the SB if he still thinks that is the case and he said "I stand on it".  Says they called him "The Natural" because he makes everything look so easy.

I really want Addison the most this draft but JSN is extremely intriguing too and I would be thrilled with him too. OL seems to be deeper in this draft than Wr so I’ve been hoping for WR in round 1 and specifically one of these two options… which means beane will likely go safety or some rotational DE lol

 

Honestly though I’d give up whatever it takes to get Marvin Harrison Jr next year 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

There is a lot of talk about drafting a WR2 to slot between Diggs at WR1 and Davis at WR3. This would be accomplished by taking a WR in the later rounds while we focus on offensive line in round 1 (which is a good idea too). 

 

I think we have the right idea, but wrong goal. We don't need a WR2, we need to draft a new bonafide WR1 in the first or second round.

 

Diggs is pushing 30. It's time to start thinking about a contingency plan for when he retires. A new WR1 would allow Diggs to effectively be "WR1b" and allow him to tutor the new rookie. It would give Josh two stud weapons and open the door for Davis to wreak havoc downfield where he's shined, and for Shakir to work on a slot role. 

 

Get me Rashee Rice or Quentin Johnson, who I think is going to be an absolute star. Hell, Kayshon Boutte is a star already at LSU. Get him starting right away and watch as it's like Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen, Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, or Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson. We would make sure that the cupboard is stocked for Josh. 

 

Don't think small with someone to pair with Diggs. Think of someone who can contribute NOW and succeed Diggs. 

100% agree. 

 

And he's come up small in some of our Playoff games. 

 

Buffalo has always had a one-deep mentality. 

 

Listen, our QB isn't as good as Mahomes, and our Coach isn't Andy Reid. Which means, you're going to need as much talent around him to compensate for that gap as possible. 

 

Love Diggs, but we knew this when we traded for him. He was 26/27, not 21 like Jefferson. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Maybe it's time to start thinking about trading Diggs? He ia likely to become a locker room problem.

 

Get the rookie number WR1 via draft on the cheap. Take the other draft choices and bolster the oline.

 

Let Edmunds and Poyer walk. Load up on the offense. 

 

This current team can't win it all. That's the goal so its time to go in a new direction. We fans just can't be happy with playoff appearances.

 

Any thoughts? 

I wouldn't trade him, just do what you say 2 lines later: load up the offense. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Maybe it's time to start thinking about trading Diggs? He ia likely to become a locker room problem.

 

Get the rookie number WR1 via draft on the cheap. Take the other draft choices and bolster the oline.

 

Let Edmunds and Poyer walk. Load up on the offense. 

 

This current team can't win it all. That's the goal so its time to go in a new direction. We fans just can't be happy with playoff appearances.

 

Any thoughts? 

 

You cannot trade Diggs, his extension won't even kick in until next year and you would have a huge amount of dead cap over the next 4+ years(or 2 years depending on which site you believe). Then have to replace 100 catches and 1500 yards.  How does this even make ANY logical sense to you for you to post it? If anything could potentially make negative sense, this would be it.

 

So create a massive roster hole, eat up more cap space that you already don't have enough of, and "hope" you find something remotely close to him. Yeah, no thanks.

 

Thank God you aren't the GM.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Big Turk

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You cannot trade Diggs, his extension won't even kick in until next year and you would have a huge amount of dead cap over the next 4+ years(or 2 years depending on which site you believe). Then have to replace 100 catches and 1500 yards.  How does this even make ANY logical sense to you for you to post it? If anything could potentially make negative sense, this would be it.

 

So create a massive roster hole, eat up more cap space that you already don't have enough of, and "hope" you find something remotely close to him. Yeah, no thanks.

 

Thank God you aren't the GM.

 

 

Thank you. I wasn't aware of the cap issues. 

[Nephilim17]

If you can buy a superstar running back in free agency for about $11 or $12 million a year, why use a first rounder on a back?

Use free agency for less expensive positions; use the draft for premium-pay positions. It's simple economics.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Nephilim17

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

It’s rare I have time after 5 am to chat on a weekday, but I’m sitting waiting for a doc so I couldn’t agree more Gesecki is the TE  erosion of Hyde and Poyer where they weren’t used properly by their former teams.  They shined here.

 

If they convert Diggs and Allen good portion of their salary to signing bonus we should not only be under the cap, but should be able to afford a TE.  They don’t get paid nearly what a top WR would get paid.  These two are just big and fast WR’s.  

 

Gesicki can't play tight end. He is a big slot receiver. 

[Billz4ever]

28 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You cannot trade Diggs, his extension won't even kick in until next year and you would have a huge amount of dead cap over the next 4+ years(or 2 years depending on which site you believe). Then have to replace 100 catches and 1500 yards.  How does this even make ANY logical sense to you for you to post it? If anything could potentially make negative sense, this would be it.

 

So create a massive roster hole, eat up more cap space that you already don't have enough of, and "hope" you find something remotely close to him. Yeah, no thanks.

 

Thank God you aren't the GM.

 

 

Yeah, I had a nice chuckle at the posts saying we should trade Diggs because of the spat with Josh in the Cincy game.  

 

Just an absolutely ridiculous proposal that makes neither football nor financial sense.