Bills need to hit on picks to have a chance

[Niagara Dude]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

“What would Veach do?”

 

Should be Beane’s motto this off-season. 
 

Would Veach re-sign Edmunds to a massive contract?

 

Would Veach try to trade Ed Oliver? Gabe Davis? Tre White?

 

Im not saying he’d trade all 3, but he traded Tyreek Hill… he let Charvarious Ward walk.  He won a Super Bowl the following year. 

I would consider trading Oliver,  he is undersized who is not consistent enough to be given a huge salary. I would also let Poyer walk because he will be 32 and we cannot continue adding salary and kicking money down the road.  Not sure what you would even get for White because he did not look good returning from that injury,  I could see some team giving us 3rd or 4th rounder for Davis.  Either way Beane needs to add more starters playing one rookie deals

[John from Riverside]

That was always going to be true, especially once Josh Allen’s contract kicked in

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree. Did you notice lots of that swagger was gone at his last press conference? 

That's because he knows McDermott is a fraud and he can't do anything about it. McDermott runs the draft too folks. The rot starts with McDermott.  You really think Beane wanted Bernard in the third round??? That was all McDermott.  

[ProcessTruster]

Wrong.   Bills need to be healthy (physically and mentally) for the last half dozen games to have a chance. Hell they had a teammate f-ing die on the field right in front of them.   

 

They have the roster and the playmakers, and will of course  draft O Line and WR this year and back off the defense emphasis (bc defense doesn't matter against the best teams)  but hell, the key guys just can't get or stay on the f ing field.   eg, the Crowder signing was inspired, and he looked great early, but he goes and breaks his ankle. gone.   Can't fix that in - season.   They go all in with Von; brilliant; but ooops... gone... can't fix that in-season.   DaQuan pulls up lame for the most important game of the season and thereby takes Oliver out of the game as well.   Can't fix that in-game.   Losing Daboll was devastating... can't fix that in one season with a 1st year OC.  Dorsey will be better in yr 2, just as Daboll was.  

 

Can't beat the best with 2nd stringers at vital positions, 1st yr OC in a league where offense is everything; leading the league in turnovers and guys laying on their deathbed.   Winning 14 out of 18 games was quite an accomplishment.  

 

Sorry, there are no single factor silver bullets in the NFL.  Lots of factors need to break right to have a championship season in a single elimination tournament format.  

[GymShorts84]

Draft the trenches. Schemes and great QB play make productive receivers. Give Allen time and establish a run game. KC had no star receivers, but their o-line played great. 
 

on D, we still can’t find a pass rush. Von is in likely his final 2 years and the other DEs disappear for weeks at a time. 
 

draft the trenches and fill the secondary and WR3/4 with experience. 

[BananaB]

Bills need help in a few different spots, McD ain’t starting a bunch of rookies. Maybe 1 in a rotation if they are lucky

[Niagara Dude]

32 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

That's because he knows McDermott is a fraud and he can't do anything about it. McDermott runs the draft too folks. The rot starts with McDermott.  You really think Beane wanted Bernard in the third round??? That was all McDermott.  

Bernard is a classic McDermott player,  undersized and average speed with great character. He has bust written all over him,  this guy is someone you take in 6th -7th round. It was also Sean who decided to pass on Mahomes who may end up being the best ever.  Turning the program around will only get you so far when you are lucky enough to have a top 3-4 QB.  He needs to adjust and stop with these choices so focused on high character guys

[BobbyC81]

10 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I have always loved Beane's swagger. But his draft history is not particularly good. Hoping he starts bucking that trend when we need it the most. 

Yes, the picks aren’t performing but there’s more to it than that.  How good is this coaching staff at teaching/development?  How good are they at adapting schemes to the players rather than trying to do the opposite?  Remember when they had Epenesa gain weight, which didn’t work out.

[finn]

The Bills situation is not good. Roster holes everywhere, half the cap tied up in four players, a measly six draft picks, no money for free agents. 

 

I wonder if the best strategy is to go all-in on offense in the draft: WR, OG, OT, TE. Sign Edwards but otherwise make do on defense. Give Allen the protection and weapons he needs but has never really had. Let him compete--fairly compete--with Mahomes and Burrow. 

[CoudyBills]

11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

KC not only has Mahomes they have a GM that is killing it with smart trades/value free agent signings and most importantly drafting.  All but 2 of the Chiefs draft picks from last year were starters this year.  

 

They have another 12 picks in this coming draft, so unless Beane starts hitting on picks then the Chiefs will be tough to beat because they will always have a solid cap situation(14 mllion in cap before making any adjustments) to add top free agents with so many players/starters playing on rookie deals.   We waste a 3rd rounder on a small/average speed LB in Bernard who almost never saw the field while the Chiefs took 3 players after who all started including RB Pacheco 

 

The fact is Beane has not been very good drafting,  many busts with early round picks and were falling behind because of it.

Totally agree.  Bernard was a good illustration, I might havebused Elam to highlight the absolute ridiculousness of the situation.

10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Character doesn’t matter that much. Chiefs and Bengals have dudes who did some bad things man. Bad things. Choir boys can be found in 6th round.

Choir boys apparently don't have the juice for the whole season either.

[Gregg]

At #27 whoever is available for OL. Here are some options for Beane at tackle.

 

Northwestern -  Peter Skoronski 

Ohio State - Paris Johnson Jr

Oklahoma - Anton Harrison

Georgia - Broderick Jones

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 hours ago, StHustle said:

Soooo….

 

In Beane we no longer trust? 🤔

Nope. His shine wore off. He had the benefit of doubt now we just have doubts.  

If he is smart he goes all in on offense. Three oline and 2 WR. Throw in one safety in the middle rounds. 

[Aesop]

considering the potential loses in free agency this year, yes this draft is probably the most important of the McBeane era. 

[JohnNord]

13 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

KC not only has Mahomes they have a GM that is killing it with smart trades/value free agent signings and most importantly drafting.  All but 2 of the Chiefs draft picks from last year were starters this year.  

 

They have another 12 picks in this coming draft, so unless Beane starts hitting on picks then the Chiefs will be tough to beat because they will always have a solid cap situation(14 mllion in cap before making any adjustments) to add top free agents with so many players/starters playing on rookie deals.   We waste a 3rd rounder on a small/average speed LB in Bernard who almost never saw the field while the Chiefs took 3 players after who all started including RB Pacheco 

 

The fact is Beane has not been very good drafting,  many busts with early round picks and were falling behind because of it.

This is a given.  I see Beane’s problems as two-fold.

 

1. Likely with the influence of McDermott, the team has placed an emphasis on drafting defensive players highly rather than offensive ones.

 

2. The defensive players drafted, have not been difference makers.  Best example is at DE.  The Bills spend 3 premium picks on the position and still needed to sign a player like Von Miller because they weren’t good enough.  Same thing could happen with Ed Oliver.  
 

This draft is going to be HUGE for the Bills.  Not only does Beane need to hit on his picks better, McDermott can’t afford to have rookies inactive or not playing on game day.  Need players who can compete on day 1 

[Paup 1995MVP]

5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I guess getting a WR like Davis who was 2nd in yards per catch in the 4th Round was horrible. Or Tyler Bass has been a horrible kicker. Dane Jackson hasn't contributed a thing. Greg Rousseau had the same amount of sacks this year as Khalil Mack and Trey Hendrickson who many clamor we should have traded for. 

 

It's easy to claim we've had horrible drafts but truth is when you really dig and look at stats we haven't. 

I am not a sky is falling guy, like some on here.  But your narrative isn't really telling the whole story either.  Davis has been good but not great.  Tyler Bass has been fine.  But in today's game its not that hard to find a good kicker.  Dane Jackson is small and should only be a depth guy.  Rousseau has had some moments where he looks to have great potential.  But also long stretches where he has not done much.  Basham Epenesa Ford and Spencer Brown have all been below average.  And Ed Oliver and Trey Edmunds have not dominated consistently commensurate to their draft position.  I like Knox and Singletary was useful.  But Moss was terrible.  Shakir has big upside.  And Hudgins should have had a big role this year.  The combination of our drafting and coaching up players has not been nearly on the level of Kansas City.  We have hung with them for the most part because of the skills of #17 and #14.  And our secondary before they got injured.  (But being stubborn and continuing to ride Levi Wallace for two years longer then we should have was an achilles heal as well)  This is a huge offseason.  We ended the year a very wounded animal.  It remains to be seen if Beane and McDermott can fix things.  The jury is out and time will tell.    

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, finn said:

The Bills situation is not good. Roster holes everywhere, half the cap tied up in four players, a measly six draft picks, no money for free agents. 

 

I wonder if the best strategy is to go all-in on offense in the draft: WR, OG, OT, TE. Sign Edwards but otherwise make do on defense. Give Allen the protection and weapons he needs but has never really had. Let him compete--fairly compete--with Mahomes and Burrow. 

The bills do not have roster holes everywhere
 

I swear to ***** God some of the people forgot that they went 13 and three or just choose to not remember

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills do not have roster holes everywhere
 

I swear to ***** God some of the people forgot that they went 13 and three or just choose to not remember

 

They are a good team. Nobody is denying that. They can beat all of the bad teams and average teams consistently. The problem is in the playoffs when they face teams that are on their level they have failed. For a team that is supposed to be challenging for a championship it makes it frustrating for the fanbase. Especially this one in a football mad city like Buffalo where we are all dying to see one. 

[newcam2012]

11 hours ago, DCbillsfan said:

It all starts and ends with Andy Reid.  He out prepares his opponent during the week, outcoaches his opponent on game day, and outdrafts his opponents in the draft.  He also unloaded Hill for a draft haul and reloaded along with avoided paying a huge contract.  Reid is killing it.  

Agree.

 

Meanwhile, the Bills have largely blown their opportunities in the playoffs. 

 

Now the orgamization finds themselves in a difficult situation with limited cap space and plenty of holes to fill.

 

The organization needs a lot of things to go right to keep pace with other teams. For example, players to develop, stay healthy, acquire meaningful free agents on the cheap, and draft impact players. Imho, that is unlikely to happen. 

 

The current regime has squandered its opportunity mostly due to their mistakes. You can never get everything right. However, the misses and neglect to assist and protect Allen are a glaring mistakes that are extremely difficult to overcome. 

 

The Bills management has chosen to run it back next year will no significant coaches changes. A coaching staff that got throttled in the playoffs. A coaching staff that will go done in the history booksas being responsible for a 13 second debacle. A coaching staff that has been through my out coached for 6 playoff years and counting. A Fraizer led defense that's incapable of stopping a playoff offense especially to close out a game. 

 

Yet, the start of this season we fans will largely ignore the obvious. Blindly and inaccurately make the case how the Bills will succeed in won it all. I mean we've done it for 6 years straight under Allen. At some point, you have to realistically ask how can we change to get better? What changes are needed? You just can't keep running it back with minimal changes and tweaks, same schemes,  hope for health, and pray for players to get better, 

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, GymShorts84 said:

Draft the trenches. Schemes and great QB play make productive receivers. Give Allen time and establish a run game. KC had no star receivers, but their o-line played great. 
 

on D, we still can’t find a pass rush. Von is in likely his final 2 years and the other DEs disappear for weeks at a time. 
 

draft the trenches and fill the secondary and WR3/4 with experience. 

 

In fairness, Kelce is probably the most elite receiving weapon in the NFL.  

 

Otherwise, I agree.  

 

KC gave Mahomes an elite OL.  We can also do that for Allen.  Let Edmunds walk.  Trade Oliver.  Now we can be players for our Joe Thuney, Orlando Brown etc..

 

On Defense, the Chiefs have Chris Jones and some guys.  If Chris Jones goes down, so does their DL.  Same for us with Von.  They have Bolton at LB.. even if we let Edmunds walk, we have Milano.  They have some nice young pieces at CB/S, while we have White, Johnson, Elam and Hyde.  I mean, it shouldn't be this difficult... we have enough on Defense, without Edmunds, Oliver and Poyer, to be on par with the Chiefs Defense.   It's up McD/Frazier to figure out how to scheme/coach in the playoffs.  

 

If we run it back with Edmunds and Oliver.. nobody in this FO learned their lesson.. and Allen should be fuming. 

[Billz4ever]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

I would consider trading Oliver,  he is undersized who is not consistent enough to be given a huge salary. I would also let Poyer walk because he will be 32 and we cannot continue adding salary and kicking money down the road.  Not sure what you would even get for White because he did not look good returning from that injury,  I could see some team giving us 3rd or 4th rounder for Davis.  Either way Beane needs to add more starters playing one rookie deals

Consider?  You wouldn't have to ask me twice, LOL.  We need to get bigger there and maybe we can get someone along the lines of another Daquan for a decent price on the FA market.  I love Poyer, but it's undeniable he has slowed down. Probably time to move on there.  My only fear is that this makes McBeane consider going Safety in the early rounds, which I think is a mistake given the needs on offense.

 

Tre's contract makes him almost untradeable given the dead cap hit and what team is going to be willing considering how he looked coming off ACL surgery.  That would be a huge gamble.  I don't see them trading Davis, but they could if the offer is right.  Next season is the final year of his rookie contract. The FO is probably hoping he turns the corner in a contract year.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Billz4ever