Brandon Beane admitting fault & not learning from his mistakes.

[AuntieEm]

On 2/13/2023 at 7:37 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

Agreed and Teller has thrived in a run first - heavy run offense - which the Bills would not have been.

 

Teller still struggles when the Browns are forced to throw and teams don’t respect the run.

 

His pass blocking is not great and although he might be a slight improvement here - I doubt he is anywhere near the same player on a pass heavy - pass first team.

 

 

Plus gotta take in consideration coaching scheme  and how well a player meshes with his lineages.  Not all players gel as well as others and with the trenches you can be made or broken by the right versus wrong linemstes.

[DJB]

I love Beane but he really needs to start hitting on his early draft picks. We’ve wasted way too many 2nd round picks for my liking. 
 

 

[Big Turk]

On 2/13/2023 at 4:34 PM, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

 

Hodgins is a JAG who will be out of the NFL in 2 years. He doesn't even have Robert Foster upside.  Unless he plays the Vikings apparently.  Against all other teams he didn't have more than 4 catches or 44 yards.

[ngbills]

2019-2021 2nd and 3rd's gone: 4 of 9 picks from rounds 1-3 already gone. 

 

Ford

Singletary

Moss

Basham

 

Who could be next on the list: Brown, AJE for starters. That would be 6 of 9.

 

2022 draft is not looking positive either with Elam and Bernard possibly added to this list in the next couple seasons. 

[hondo in seattle]

On 2/13/2023 at 1:34 PM, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

 

 

My advice.  Go to the Louvre in Paris.  Get close to the paintings done by the masters.  Examine every brush stroke.  Find the imperfections - they're there.  But then step back and take in the beauty of the entire composition.  

 

Beane, like all GMs, makes mistakes.  Given we've won more games in the past few years than nearly every other team in the NFL, it seems he makes fewer than most GMs.  Take a step back and enjoy the big picture.  We used to be losers.  Now we're winners.  He just needs to cap it all off with a SB title.  

[FilthyBeast]

On 2/13/2023 at 1:34 PM, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

 

Something tells me a few years from now the Pegulas, Bills mafia, etc are going to realize we kept the wrong GM and HC and made a grave mistake letting them go to the Giants.

[schoolhouserock]

9 minutes ago, ngbills said:

2019-2021 2nd and 3rd's gone: 4 of 9 picks from rounds 1-3 already gone. 

 

Ford

Singletary

Moss

Basham

 

Who could be next on the list: Brown, AJE for starters. That would be 6 of 9.

 

2022 draft is not looking positive either with Elam and Bernard possibly added to this list in the next couple seasons. 

The Singletary pick is arguably OK. The Bills got run-of-the-mill value out of an RB with that pick.

 

The other three… all we can say is that at least the Bills’ got SOME compensation when they decided those players weren’t going to pan out.

 

It’s obviously better to take players that end up working out, but at least they weren’t outright cuts.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

My advice.  Go to the Louvre in Paris.  Get close to the paintings done by the masters.  Examine every brush stroke.  Find the imperfections - they're there.  But then step back and take in the beauty of the entire composition.  

 

Beane, like all GMs, makes mistakes.  Given we've won more games in the past few years than nearly every other team in the NFL, it seems he makes fewer than most GMs.  Take a step back and enjoy the big picture.  We used to be losers.  Now we're winners.  He just needs to cap it all off with a SB title.  

Gross oversimplification. Allen has won more games. He got the QB. Outside of that he’s probably average. If Oliver doesn’t get better and Elam is a bust then he is probably below average. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

I love Beane but he really needs to start hitting on his early draft picks. We’ve wasted way too many 2nd round picks for my liking. 
 

 

Odd phenomenon. Maybe we should consider using it as ammo to do something else with. 

 

Package it with a 1st and 4th to go up and snag Josh another legit WR this coming year or Tackle, left or right. We have a strong roster, I admit it's a painful cost, but a blue chipper on offense would be nice

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Something tells me a few years from now the Pegulas, Bills mafia, etc are going to realize we kept the wrong GM and HC and made a grave mistake letting them go to the Giants.

 

 

Well maybe the Bills can hire Daboll in a 3 years when he's on the unemployment line after being fired by the Giants.  Much better chance at that happening.

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/13/2023 at 4:34 PM, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

Nice downer....there is nothing good happening in Buffalo, we are doomed

[John from Riverside]

Still one of the best general managers in the league

[BillsShredder83]

16 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Gross oversimplification. Allen has won more games. He got the QB. Outside of that he’s probably average. If Oliver doesn’t get better and Elam is a bust then he is probably below average. 

I'd just like to add a reminder that seems forgotten with the allen pick. He masterfully made moves to get us up to that pick!  Traded that injury prone LT to Cinci for a move up, and Tyrod for 2nd rd ammo (or 1st of the 3rd rd?), did the double trade up in draft. 

 

It's not like Josh fell in our lap. Not saying we can't draft better, just that we forget what it took to go get Josh

 

And a 2nd rder for watkins*

 

Really amazing moves looking back

Edited August 29, 2023 by BillsShredder83

[GunnerBill]

There is no doubt about it Brandon's day 2 drafting record is not good.

 

If Elam busts that it is his first miss on day one. He has only drafted 1 day one star so far - Allen, but Edmunds, Oliver, trade for Diggs, Rousseau and hopefully Kincaid is a pretty solid day one record. 

 

His day three record is good: Siran Neal, Taron Johnson, Wyatt Teller (yes I know he traded him), Gabe Davis, Tyler Bass, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford.... 

 

But before this past draft his day two record is pretty awful:

 

Harrison Phillips: played his rookie deal, never won a starting job, left in FA

Cody Ford: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal for a day 3 pick

Devin Singletary: starter for 3 of 4 years on rookie deal, solid pick, left in FA

Dawson Knox: SECOND CONTRACT, started as a rookie and every year since, around the top 10 at his position. Easily Beane's best day two pick

AJ Epenesa: started 3 games in 3 seasons, has carved something of a niche as a rotational rusher, will likely leave at the end of his rookie deal in FA

Zack Moss: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal as a makeweight in a trade

Boogie Basham: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal for a swap of late round picks

Spencer Brown: jury massively still out. Big year for him.

James Cook: promising. Fingers crossed.

Terrell Bernard: still a glimmer of hope but he was behind Dodson in camp when he got hurt. 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

I love Beane but he really needs to start hitting on his early draft picks. We’ve wasted way too many 2nd round picks for my liking. 
 

 

St. Bill Polian had misses in the early rounds too: 1986 Ronnie Harmon 1st round, 1987 Roland Mitchell 2nd, 1988 (Bills 2nd pick) Bernard Ford 3rd, the 1989 draft where the Bills had no 1st & 2nd round picks had a lot of busts after Don Beebe was taken with their 1st pick in round 3, 1990 James Williams 1st, 1991 Darryl Wren 3rd, 1992James Patton 2nd.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

15 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I'd just like to add a reminder that seems forgotten with the allen pick. He masterfully made moves to get us up to that pick!  Traded that injury prone LT to Cinci for a move up, and Tyrod for 2nd rd ammo (or 1st of the 3rd rd?), did the double trade up in draft. 

 

It's not like Josh fell in our lap. Not saying we can't draft better, just that we forget what it took to go get Josh

 

And a 2nd rder for watkins*

 

Really amazing moves looking back

Half those moves were made before the draft. Everyone knew Beane was taking a QB. The others were made draft day and to move ahead of Arizona to get Allen was excellent work.

I would argue had Cleveland or NY taken Allen Beane would still have taken a QB and most likely it would have been one of the three busts Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen.  Elway could have also taken Allen but he let him slip by. We will never know.  You can't discount a little bit of luck in addition to the skill to move up. 

Also remember Beane gave away multiple picks to move up and take Edmunds. Obviously Edmunds was at a minimum a very good player. But he wasn't good enough to justify multiple picks and obviously not good enough to justify a second contract from Beane(with multiple mitigating factors no doubt).

[Ethan in Cleveland]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

There is no doubt about it Brandon's day 2 drafting record is not good.

 

If Elam busts that it is his first miss on day one. He has only drafted 1 day one star so far - Allen, but Edmunds, Oliver, trade for Diggs, Rousseau and hopefully Kincaid is a pretty solid day one record. 

 

His day three record is good: Siran Neal, Taron Johnson, Wyatt Teller (yes I know he traded him), Gabe Davis, Tyler Bass, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford.... 

 

But before this past draft his day two record is pretty awful:

 

Harrison Phillips: played his rookie deal, never won a starting job, left in FA

Cody Ford: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal for a day 3 pick

Devin Singletary: starter for 3 of 4 years on rookie deal, solid pick, left in FA

Dawson Knox: SECOND CONTRACT, started as a rookie and every year since, around the top 10 at his position. Easily Beane's best day two pick

AJ Epenesa: started 3 games in 3 seasons, has carved something of a niche as a rotational rusher, will likely leave at the end of his rookie deal in FA

Zack Moss: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal as a makeweight in a trade

Boogie Basham: bust, traded away before the end of his rookie deal for a swap of late round picks

Spencer Brown: jury massively still out. Big year for him.

James Cook: promising. Fingers crossed.

Terrell Bernard: still a glimmer of hope but he was behind Dodson in camp when he got hurt. 

 

Good summary. Honest question, 2 star players(Allen/Diggs) in 6 drafts one coming via trade.  Is that good enough? 

I think he has other solid picks like you pointed out. I love Knox and Taron Johnson but still don't like the Oliver pick and second contract. Hoping Rousseau flashes this year. Every GM has busts. But he is absolutely butchering day 2 of the draft which is where the core of the team should come from. 

Kincaid and Torrence can quiet the critics like me. Guys like AJE and Bernard make me question who is actually calling the draft shots, Beane or McDermott.  

 

Let's just see how it all works out. 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

2019-2021 2nd and 3rd's gone: 4 of 9 picks from rounds 1-3 already gone. 

 

Ford

Singletary

Moss

Basham

 

Who could be next on the list: Brown, AJE for starters. That would be 6 of 9.

 

2022 draft is not looking positive either with Elam and Bernard possibly added to this list in the next couple seasons. 

 

Singletary was a good player and started at least 3 of his 4 years.  Give me a break.  RBs don't get 2nd contracts from teams looking to win Super Bowls.

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Singletary was a good player and started at least 3 of his 4 years.  Give me a break.  RBs don't get 2nd contracts from teams looking to win Super Bowls.

Come on. Singletary didnt get a second contract from anyone. The Bills could have got him back for a couple mil. They spend more on Hines. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Something tells me a few years from now the Pegulas, Bills mafia, etc are going to realize we kept the wrong GM and HC and made a grave mistake letting them go to the Giants.

No in a few years the new Buffalo Bills stadium will be opening so it won’t matter. The Bills will sell hope with draft picks like all the NFL teams do. What Buffalo Super Fan? Go to bed BSF. Right every NFL teams highlight films sells hope that next year is our year. If the Buffalo Bills fired all these bums few Buffalo fans would care because that is how it works. Oh boy the Buffalo Bills didn’t resign Joe Cribbs and Chuck Knox Ralph Wilson surely everyone will regret that? No the Bills Ralph Wilson didn’t he just signed new hope and pocketed a lot of salary savings living off the huge NFL television revenue to buy more art to add to his personal collection. Ralph Wilson it was buying art Terry Pegula it’s building a Super Yacht they don’t regret or care much about the Buffalo fans thoughts at all. Regardless of Bills fans defending that and trying to ban hardcore Buffalo fans from telling the truth and telling it like it is. Ownership regardless of the city don’t regret stuff like that because they know they can sell maybe next year we alway have tomorrow a new day a new Buffalo. Stronger, leaner more powerful as ever with a new stadium with heated seating and new amenities for the Bills fans to enjoy. 7th round quarterback selection is the future as the Bills move onto a new Buffalo Bills football era a new beginning. My goodness watch the 1976-77 Buffalo Braves highlights film Van Miller made it like NBA championship was right around the corner for 1977-78 Buffalo Braves that was there final year in Buffalo they finished 27-55 then off to San Diego and Los Angeles to continue to suck. Professional sports teams sell hope. The Buffalo Bisons 2024 schedule is out Friday March 29, 2024 is opening day for the Buffalo Bisons in Buffalo. While the 2023 Buffalo Bisons are still in a 2023 IL Pennant Race all sports teams sell and market hope it’s just the way it is with no regret just onto the next season in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo