Brandon Beane admitting fault & not learning from his mistakes.

[Rebel101]

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Rebel101

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he become a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

You were doing so well posting all of this in the other thread. Why start a new one? But let me ask you a question. Do you believe that Beane released Hodgins to sign Brown and Beasley?

[Nextmanup]

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

[Rebel101]

2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

You were doing so well posting all of this in the other thread. Why start a new one? But let me ask you a question. Do you believe that Beane released Hodgins to sign Brown and Beasley?

No it was for Tre who he let sit for another 4 weeks. The point is John Brown nor Beasley should have even been giving a chance. You let the kid see the field early. Get him in the offense if you like him you especially don’t let him hit waivers. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Rebel101

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

This is a pretty bad take. Doesn’t make any sense. 

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

No it was for Tre who he let sit for another 4 weeks. The point is John Brown nor Beasley should have even been giving a chance. You let the kid see the field early. Get him in the offense if you like him you especially don’t let him hit waivers. 

We had no choice.  From what I understand Josh asked for Beas by name.  That's how little faith he had in the guys on the roster not named Diggs.  Crowder was the only injury there, so for our franchise QB to ask for a dude that had retired is shocking to me and signaled what kind of state our WR corps was in outside of Diggs.  This is why it must be addressed this offseason and why I see it as the biggest need along with the OL.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Billz4ever

[teef]

6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

you don't think a new coordinator can improve from one season to the next?  he may not, but to act like it can't happen is wrong.

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is a pretty bad take. Doesn’t make any sense. 

Without telling us why you say that, your comment doesn't really move the conversation forward.

 

How is it bad? You think Dorsey will be significantly different in one off-season? 

 

Why?

 

Perhaps you are suggesting he doesn't need to improve b/c he's great already?

 

Who knows what you are trying to say!

 

 

[John from Riverside]

I’m going to pre-face this by saying that I think that our general manager overall has done an outstanding job, you don’t stay in the playoffs every year and have 13 and three seasons whenever your GM sucks
 

However

 

I agree with the take of saying one thing, and doing another, whenever it comes to the offensive line

 

It feels like we have done the bare minimum to try to put a confident offensive line on the field, start addressing it the same way that you have been addressing the defensive line but hopefully with better players

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

If people are expecting this magical 1 year turn around by Dorsey, you're somewhat delusional.  And if the culture of Preacher Sean is constricting this team to get better players than I just don't have the answer.  

Edited February 13, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Shaw66]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

Maybe you're young, but this statement, in my humble opinion, is amazingly naive.  Do you think that if Dorsey is an Offensive coordinator for the next 20 years, he won't be any better than he was this season?   That he'll never improve?

 

That's just wrong.   I've practiced law for 40 years, and I was so much better in year 5 than year 1, it was amazing.   Year 10 I was way ahead of year 5, and by year 20, well, that's when I hit my stride.   Ask Andy Reid, and he'll tell you the same thing about his coaching career.  Ask Belichick.  

 

I saw an interview after he won his most recent NBA championship.  He was asked what he would say to the 27-year-old Lebron (after his first championship) if he could sit in a room with him.  Lebron said he'd tell the kid Lebron, "you don't have a clue."   

 

Your letter carrier may not get better his job, but professional football coaches get better, for sure.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Without telling us why you say that, your comment doesn't really move the conversation forward.

 

How is it bad? You think Dorsey will be significantly different in one off-season? 

 

Why?

 

Perhaps you are suggesting he doesn't need to improve b/c he's great already?

 

Who knows what you are trying to say!

 

 

He has data this offseason that he didn’t have last offseason. He has his own tendencies he can evaluate. He has tendencies of players he can evaluate. 
 

Will he improve? Who knows. He could get worse. But he has a lot more information today than he did last year. He’s going to attempt to take that information and improve. 
 

Statistically it’ll be hard to improve, they were good in basically every metric. Hopefully the inconsistency can be eliminated. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

"A lot of love for him. Big kid," general manager Brandon Beane said. "Last time we went to Virginia Tech late, it worked out with Wyatt. I screwed it up, but we found a good player there. Not to say this kid is going to be Wyatt, but we're excited about him." This is an article about Wyatt Teller a prospect I thought we hit with & showed great potential said he was a bully & nasty. Clearly Beane wasn’t high on him maybe he didn’t fit the culture. Took what we could get in a trade & he became a pro bowler. Now Hodgins flashed in camp a few times. Brought a huge element to the offense big body,speed, I mean added to Diggs, Davis, McKenzie/Shakir would have gave us some great matchups. The fact Beane let him sit on the PS. Knowing Daboll knows all about Hodgins why not active. You bring in John Brown & Cole Beasley. Both old & already played themselves out of Buffalo. So I have no faith in McDermott or Beane fixing their issues. While our owner clearly is dealing with health issues of his wife a part owner as well. So I don’t see anything being fixed next year. Unless Dorsey has a revelation. 

The part about Teller is a lot of hindsight.  They traded him because he was a 5th round pick that had value and couldn’t beat out Quinton Spain.   He probably wasn’t going to make the team and they likely couldn’t keep him on the PS, so they made the deal.  That’s it 
 

Clearly they should have been more patient with him, but he was not the same player he was turned out to be in Cleveland.  He wasn’t… that happens. 
 

If you are going to fault Beane and McDermott’s drafting, it should be how they have prioritized defense over offense and have been largely unsuccessful.  

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe you're young, but this statement, in my humble opinion, is amazingly naive.  Do you think that if Dorsey is an Offensive coordinator for the next 20 years, he won't be any better than he was this season?   That he'll never improve?

 

That's just wrong.   I've practiced law for 40 years, and I was so much better in year 5 than year 1, it was amazing.   Year 10 I was way ahead of year 5, and by year 20, well, that's when I hit my stride.   Ask Andy Reid, and he'll tell you the same thing about his coaching career.  Ask Belichick.  

 

I saw an interview after he won his most recent NBA championship.  He was asked what he would say to the 27-year-old Lebron (after his first championship) if he could sit in a room with him.  Lebron said he'd tell the kid Lebron, "you don't have a clue."   

 

Your letter carrier may not get better his job, but professional football coaches get better, for sure.  

have you read his other stuff?

[starrymessenger]

19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Regarding your last sentence, I also don't understand how Dorsey is supposed to evolve into a different, much better coordinator in one off-season.  Sure, he probably picked up some experience here and there and learned some things, generally, but he's going to be the same guy next September.

That's not good.

 

 

Correct. I wonder what they were thinking entrusting the offense in a Championship run year to a rookie OC. No rookie OC has ever made it to a championship (I think). What made them think Dorsey would be the first? 

[JohnNord]

12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe you're young, but this statement, in my humble opinion, is amazingly naive.  Do you think that if Dorsey is an Offensive coordinator for the next 20 years, he won't be any better than he was this season?   That he'll never improve?

 

That's just wrong.   I've practiced law for 40 years, and I was so much better in year 5 than year 1, it was amazing.   Year 10 I was way ahead of year 5, and by year 20, well, that's when I hit my stride.   Ask Andy Reid, and he'll tell you the same thing about his coaching career.  Ask Belichick.  

 

I saw an interview after he won his most recent NBA championship.  He was asked what he would say to the 27-year-old Lebron (after his first championship) if he could sit in a room with him.  Lebron said he'd tell the kid Lebron, "you don't have a clue."   

 

Your letter carrier may not get better his job, but professional football coaches get better, for sure.  

I agree but I do get where he’s coming from after watching the SB, regarding Dorsey.  
 

You have 2 very good offensive play callers just balling out.  When you look at Andy Reid’s play design and overall scheme and they you look at what Dorsey did last season, it’s easy to not feel optimistic. Granted he will never Andy Reid.  Maybe not even Nick Sirianni.  But I didn’t find his play calling very encouraging last season.  
 

 

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Correct. I wonder what they were thinking entrusting the offense in a Championship run year to a rookie OC. No rookie OC has ever made it to a championship (I think). What made them think Dorsey would be the first? 

Consistency.  Changing coordinators and trying to “force” a relationship from outside the franchise doesn’t usually bode well.  
 

It also happens when your Franchise QB goes to bat for someone.  It’s not like Dorsey wants qualified for the job.

Edited February 13, 2023 by JohnNord

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m going to pre-face this by saying that I think that our general manager overall has done an outstanding job, you don’t stay in the playoffs every year and have 13 and three seasons whenever your GM sucks
 

However

 

I agree with the take of saying one thing, and doing another, whenever it comes to the offensive line

 

It feels like we have done the bare minimum to try to put a confident offensive line on the field, start addressing it the same way that you have been addressing the defensive line but hopefully with better players

OL is the hardest thing to address for two related reasons:

1. The goal of college coaches is to win, not develop players for the NFL. What get wins in college are single-read spread offenses. OL in college don't have to hold pass blocks longer than 2 seconds for the most part. Outside of the top guys who usually go in the top 15 picks, it's really hard to project them. That's why the entire NFL scouting community, not just Brandon Beane, wiffed on Cody Ford. Years ago, Colin Cowheard was talking about a conversation that he had with an NFL GM where the GM said that it would be easier to get a bunch of LBs or TEs, bulk them up, and teach them how to block than it is to undo the years of bad technique that college linemen comem in with. So it's hard to scout and hard to teach. 
2. For the most part, good OL don't hit FA and if they do you have to massively overpay.  The Bengals tried to buy an OL this past offseason and they had to make a massive offensive scheme adjustment midseasont o compensate for the fact that the money invested didn't yield better results. The fact that the Bills should have made the same adjustment (go to a quick passing game and screens to slow down the rush) is a topic for another conversation. 

If you were to draft 7 OL in a single year, hitting on 3 would be a good yield. And I think this problem will continue to compound beause fewer and fewer kids want to play a thankless position. 

[phypon]

Need to have patience.  This coaching staff is still inexperienced.  Give them another 5 or 10 years to learn and grow from their mistakes and blossom and the sky is the limit!  /sarcasm

[Shaw66]

Just now, JohnNord said:

I agree but I do get where he’s coming from after watching the SB, regarding Dorsey.  
 

You have 2 very good offensive play callers just balling out.  When you look at Andy Reid’s play design and overall scheme and they you look at what Dorsey did last season, it’s easy to not feel optimistic. Granted he will never Andy Reid.  Maybe not even Nick Sirianni.  But I didn’t find his play calling very encouraging last season.  
 

 

Yeah, well, life isn't perfect.   You do have the occasional boy-genius, like McVay or Shanahan, but most of these guys take time to mature.  Boy-wonder Kellen Moore just made a lateral move, after all the projections of him being the next HC genius.   Why?   Well, because, it takes time to grow into the job.   

 

Should McBeane go out and hire some mature, successful OC?   Well, for starters, they don't want to change the system on Allen, so there's that.   And they don't want to hire a guy and have him leave for a HC gig in a year or two.   

 

So, even if McBeane have concerns about whether Dorsey can do it, and when, he may still be among the best choices.  

[Buckets]

20 minutes ago, teef said:

you don't think a new coordinator can improve from one season to the next?  he may not, but to act like it can't happen is wrong.

Why then didn't he improve during the season, 17 games and actually worse at the end.