Brick-By-Brick, the NFL Losing Me As A Fan

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I get that, and I just don't know because I wasn't paying super-close attention to off-ball activity and couldn't see much downfield because of the limitations of how games are broadcasted. 

I think we are at a glass half full vs half empty crossroads of how to approach it. I happen to enjoy the game more when I’m not upset about a call being poor until it’s actually shown to be poor. I get people not wanting to give benefit of the doubt. There have been many issues. But it feels like a fast route to not enjoying the game and starting threads like this about how the nfl is losing you as a fan if you are going to assume it’s a sham until proven otherwise (not YOU, but the OP).

[Malazan]

15 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

People complaining about politics have never watched sports it seems, but I’ll leave that there because officiating complainers are worse. Philly got several key calls, gave away 7 free points and the defense and ST was trash after half time, but it’s the refs, just stop

 

I think you're overlooking the real problem. It's not whether that 1 call decided the game.. it's that every conversation around any game often ends up more about egregious calls or non-calls. Why did several much more obvious penalties go uncalled and then this one get called? That is the particular problem the NFL has with it's officiating. 

 

If a penalty *could* be called on every play then there's a massive problem with the rulebook and the rules are so complex that they can't be enforced appropriately and consistently by the officials then you need to make changes.

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Actually I think his point was that modern NFL broadcasts are becoming too much like that reality garbage you're referring to.

imo, he is 100% correct.

 

But great job missing the point and insulting a good guy for no reason. 

I didn’t see an insult in there. His post came off a tad aggressive but he’s kinda right. 
 

What are the guys options? He can either get on board and accept that things change with time, or he can find something else to do with that time. 
 

If he wants to plop himself In front of a tv and get entertained, it’s sports (all of which have become a bit of a spectacle) or new tv shows. 
 

I kinda think you guys are missing the point a bit. The NFL is huge, it’s only going to get bigger and more grandiose. You can either accept that and enjoy it for what it is, or just sit there hating every minute of it because it wasn’t what it once was. That’s your call, but if I felt that way I’d want to find something else to do with that time. 

[WotAGuy]

I wonder how often a player “gets into it” with a ref during a game to the point where the ref decides to make said player an example, or set him straight, at a critical juncture.  
 

I know refs warn players of questionable techniques during the game, and it would be human nature to set an example of a player that basically was “asking for it” in the ref’s eyes. 

[dave mcbride]

39 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think we are at a glass half full vs half empty crossroads of how to approach it. I happen to enjoy the game more when I’m not upset about a call being poor until it’s actually shown to be poor. I get people not wanting to give benefit of the doubt. There have been many issues. But it feels like a fast route to not enjoying the game and starting threads like this about how the nfl is losing you as a fan if you are going to assume it’s a sham until proven otherwise (not YOU, but the OP).

I thought you might like what Chris Simms says here: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/super-bowl-lvii-eagles-james-bradberry-holding-penalty-was-right-call

[kota]

blaming a game on a ref is lol.  These are bang bang plays.  

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, pocoboy said:

I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle."

 

And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery.

 

All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood.

 

And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win.

 

LOL...anyone who lists non football stuff like music as a reason they don't like football is just being a wet blanket.  There is literally no artist, band, musician, genre of music where someone isn't going to piss and moan about the music choice.  

 

Refs...sure, I think the vast majority of NFL fans are concerned about the issues with the refs.  This year felt like there were more issues than ever before of just some really blown officiating.  I think if they polled the fans of the game, this might be their lowest rating on how they see the officiating, maybe ever.  

 

You should have just stuck with the ref stuff, all the other stuff just makes you sound like you are whining because the non-football stuff doesn't cater to your specific beliefs and tastes which makes you sound kind of self entitled.  And no offense, who cares.  Literally nobody cares that the non football stuff isn't to someones taste.  Not everything appeals to me either, but who cares, I come to watch the games where none of that stuff is present during the games on the field.  

 

As mutual fans, we all universally care about the integrity of the game.  That is the lane I would have stayed in if I were you.

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, nucci said:

Neither do I which is why I didn't start watching till 630pm

Sounds like you unfortunately still got stuck with about 15 minutes of garbage! 

 

It did not end! 

 

There were like 9 staged "events" that had to take place before the damned kickoff.

 

It used to be the singing of the national anthem, and then we played football.

 

Next year I am going to watch tape delayed so I can FF. 

 

IT is insufferable watching non-Bills game in a live format. 

 

There's more crap than actual football.

 

 

[nucci]

25 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Sounds like you unfortunately still got stuck with about 15 minutes of garbage! 

 

It did not end! 

 

There were like 9 staged "events" that had to take place before the damned kickoff.

 

It used to be the singing of the national anthem, and then we played football.

 

Next year I am going to watch tape delayed so I can FF. 

 

IT is insufferable watching non-Bills game in a live format. 

 

There's more crap than actual football.

 

 

that 15 minutes was killing me.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

7 hours ago, pocoboy said:

I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle."

 

And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery.

 

All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood.

 

And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win.

The market is geared towards the younger viewers, and to gain new younger viewers. The NFL knows they have me, a soon-to-be  35 year old who isn’t going anywhere as long as my team stays. They know I’ll watch all my games and maybe even tune in for big time matchups. As a 35 year old, they know I may buy maybe one or two jerseys over the span of the next 8 years.

 

But a 10-15 year old? They’ll convince their parents to get Madden, and trading cards, and team items, and rookie jerseys, and that exciting FA addition’s jersey, and OMG the music that this 15 year old listens to is ALSO the music that the NFL uses!! Quick, book a deal with Nicklodian!

 

NFL knows the money is where the youth is. 

[Ramza86]

6 hours ago, nucci said:

Eagles player admitted to holding. If that was a Bills receiver and it wasn't called, this place would have gone nuts. If it  was still ruined for you then you probably should stop watching

 

I have no idea why he admitted to even holding on that garbage call.

 

It was a terrible call to make in a playoff/SB game. 

 

We all know NFL does its best to manipulate results. 

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Like I said, I don't bark at your command and I'm not scouring though game footage to satisfy your demands.  So enjoy your "win" here since it's clear winning the argument is your only goal.

Starting to think that maybe they got the call right. I hadn't seen this angle, and it's pretty clearly holding. I mean, I know it happens a lot, but it was a game deciding play, and it may be the case that the refs weren't going to let a guy who guessed wrong and was beaten get out of it by holding the guy who beat him.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Starting to think that maybe they got the call right. I hadn't seen this angle, and it's pretty clearly holding. I mean, I know it happens a lot, but it was a game deciding play, and it may be the case that the refs weren't going to let a guy who guessed wrong and was beaten get out of it by holding the guy who beat him.

 

 

From a single snapshot in time it might look that way, but when you watch the video of it, the tug was insignificant.  He didn't continue pulling him.  It was a quick boom and done.  Had he kept riding him and had a handful of jersey, sure, that's egregious and I don't even think Philly fans could argue it then, but watch the actual play in full speed and tell me if you think what he did actually impeded the receiver from getting to where the ball was going.  I just don't see it and I've watched it at least 10 times.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 hours ago, pocoboy said:

I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle."

 

And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery.

 

All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood.

 

And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win.

Bad calls have been part of the NFL since you started watching the game. What has changed is better replay and the coverage.

It’s not just NFL either it’s every level. Refs are human and make mistakes. I also believe they feel pressure in big moments just like the players.

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

From a single snapshot in time it might look that way, but when you watch the video of it, the tug was insignificant.  He didn't continue pulling him.  It was a quick boom and done.  Had he kept riding him and had a handful of jersey, sure, that's egregious and I don't even think Philly fans could argue it then, but watch the actual play in full speed and tell me if you think what he did actually impeded the receiver from getting to where the ball was going.  I just don't see it and I've watched it at least 10 times.  

if you think that’s the standard, then you don’t get the rule. It isn’t PI and catchability or getting to the ball doesn’t matter. 
 

Mahomes doesn’t even need to throw it to get the call. He could throw it away completely and get the call.
 

pre throw the jersey stretches like that on a cut, there’s a good chance a flags coming.

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

if you think that’s the standard, then you don’t get the rule. It isn’t PI and catchability or getting to the ball doesn’t matter. 
 

Mahomes doesn’t even need to throw it to get the call. He could throw it away completely and get the call.
 

pre throw the jersey stretches like that on a cut, there’s a good chance a flags coming.

And plays like that happen literally all the time and are not called.  I'm not going over this again with you.  You have your thoughts; I have mine and you aren't going to be changing mine so you might as well stop trying.

 

You're acting like I'm the only one that sees them.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

From a single snapshot in time it might look that way, but when you watch the video of it, the tug was insignificant.  He didn't continue pulling him.  It was a quick boom and done.  Had he kept riding him and had a handful of jersey, sure, that's egregious and I don't even think Philly fans could argue it then, but watch the actual play in full speed and tell me if you think what he did actually impeded the receiver from getting to where the ball was going.  I just don't see it and I've watched it at least 10 times.  

With the first angle I watched, I agree with you. But he held him twice, actually, and I hadn't seen this one because it was obscured on the telecast. The ref apparently saw it, though. Mahomes was throwing to a spot, and the grabs by the defender after he was beaten on the release (he guessed wrong -- he was playing a crosser) definitely slowed J S-S down. Not saying he would have caught it, but holds like that obviously can mess up a timing play. If it hadn't been called, I would have been fine with it, but for all we know he had been doing it a lot and the refs were simply fed up and unwilling to let him cheat (literally) KC out of a TD. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

And plays like that happen literally all the time and are not called.  I'm not going over this again with you.  You have your thoughts; I have mine and you aren't going to be changing mine so you might as well stop trying.

 

You're acting like I'm the only one that sees them.

 

 

to be fair, this was a new layer of you missing it. I was simply pointing out that his ability to get to the ball matters as little to the debate as what brand of socks he’s wearing 

 

the jersey stretch is actually one of the few “snapshots” that actually work in this debate. 
 

If you want to go back to it happening all night, I won’t pursue that point with you until you provide actual reference material either 

Edited February 13, 2023 by NoSaint

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

With the first angle I watched, I agree with you. But he held him twice, actually, and I hadn't seen this one because it was obscured on the telecast. The ref apparently saw it, though. Mahomes was throwing to a spot, and the grabs by the defender after he was beaten on the release (he guessed wrong -- he was playing a crosser) definitely slowed J S-S down. Not saying he would have caught it, but holds like that obviously can mess up a timing play. If it hadn't been called, I would have been fine with it, but for all we know he had been doing it a lot and the refs were simply fed up and unwilling to let him cheat (literally) KC out of a TD. 

I didn't see where it affected JSS at all. The only slowdown I saw was when he was turning from running parallel to the sideline to turning it up field and that's when the pull you posted happened.  The pull is in the direction JSS is trying to go so I don't see how that brief second of a pull changed anything.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

I didn't see where it affected JSS at all. The only slowdown I saw was when he was turning from running parallel to the sideline to turning it up field and that's when the pull you posted happened.  The pull is in the direction JSS is trying to go so I don't see how that brief second of a pull changed anything.

Curious to know what you think of Chris Simms' take: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/super-bowl-lvii-eagles-james-bradberry-holding-penalty-was-right-call