We have a Super Bowl trophy (or two) if Andy Reid was our head coach

[Mango]

Andy Reid is one of the most weirdly fat people I’ve seen. 
 

It’s insane.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

Josh Allen led the league in total TO's and RZ TO's. 

 

He is not as good of a QB as Patrick.  When he plays his best, he can play just as well as him.  He doesn't play his best nearly as often.  Which is why one of them has 2 MVPs and 2 SB's and one of them does not.

He’s not as good as Patrick while Allen plays in Dorsey’s system, behind the current OL throwing to our current pass catchers as opposed to playing in Andy Reid’s system, behind KCs OL and throwing to KCs current pass catchers.  
 

flip flop the two QBs and I think your answer would be different.  Not like we’ll ever find out.  

[Billz4ever]

Just now, NewEra said:

He’s not as good as Patrick while Allen plays in Dorsey’s system, behind the current OL throwing to our current pass catchers as opposed to playing in Andy Reid’s system, behind KCs OL and throwing to KCs current pass catchers.  
 

flip flop the two QBs and I think your answer would be different.  Not like we’ll ever find out.  

I'm down to chipping in to pay Daboll to conduct an off-season refresher course for Dorsey and to delete some of the garbage out of the playbook that I never want to see again. 😂

[nedboy7]

Andy who got bailed out by an official? 

[Billl]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

No he has some real garbage throws too. He was just behind Allen in INT’s this year and would have been ahead of him if he didn’t have 4 interceptions taken back due to penalty. Mahomes is great, but he did nothing last night that Allen couldn’t.

Mahomes had no fumbles or interceptions in a postseason game.  Josh has done that once in 8 tries.

[Airseven]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s not as good as Patrick while Allen plays in Dorsey’s system, behind the current OL throwing to our current pass catchers as opposed to playing in Andy Reid’s system, behind KCs OL and throwing to KCs current pass catchers.  
 

flip flop the two QBs and I think your answer would be different.  Not like we’ll ever find out.  

 

On what basis do fans draw this conclusion? Allen is an elite athlete, a good QB, with a handful of incredible games. More often than not, he's wildly inconsistent with accuracy, decision-making, ball security, and composure. Are you also saying guys like Herbert and Prescott could rival Mahomes in Reid's system?? 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Airseven

[buffblue]

19 hours ago, chongli said:

 

But does Mahomes turn it over in the red zone?

Seen you mention this a couple times now. Do you think Allen (or any QB) would be turning it over in the red zone if their coaches are scheming guys open by a country mile?

Edited February 13, 2023 by buffblue

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Billl said:

Mahomes had no fumbles or interceptions in a postseason game.  Josh has done that once in 8 tries.

He’s had no turnovers in 3 of 8 games.  But you can cherry pick “fumbles” as opposed to discussing the stat that actually matters, fumbles lost.  
 

so yes, there’s at least a decent chance that he wouldn’t turn the ball over.  

Edited February 13, 2023 by NewEra

[chongli]

3 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Senn you mention this a couple times now. Do you think Allen (or any QB) would be turning it over in the red zone if their coaches are scheming guys open by a country mile?

 

Thats a good point. No argument from me. [I've only mentioned once, btw, in this thread. Someone else said something similar in a different thread yesterday.]

Edited February 13, 2023 by chongli

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

On what basis do fans draw this conclusion? Allen is an elite athlete, a good QB, with a handful of incredible games. More often than not, he's wildly inconsistent with accuracy, decision-making, ball security, and composure. Are you also saying guys like Herbert and Prescott could rival Mahomes in Reid's system?? 

On the fact that his stats are similar while playing for a rookie play caller as opposed to a hall of fame play caller.  On the fact that I watched him sit back there with zero pressure for 5-6 seconds vs a team that had 70 sacks.  On the fact that a Mahomes throws wide open TD after wide open TD.  On the fact that they have the greatest tight end ever.  Diggs is good but he’s not Kelce.  
 

on the fact that those things actually matter when it comes to qb performance.  Believe it or not

Edited February 13, 2023 by NewEra

[buffblue]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

Mahomes had no fumbles or interceptions in a postseason game.  Josh has done that once in 8 tries.

Allen had the highest QB rating in history prior to the Bengals game. I guess I can pull useful stats for his postseason career too.

 

But I'm glad that Mahomes throwing for 180 to wide open receivers has you excited. God what I would give to have Andy Reid as our coach

4 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Thats a good point. No argument from me. [I've only mentioned once, btw, in this thread. Someone else said something similar in a different thread yesterday.]

Appreciate the clarification 👍

[cle23]

20 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Hey im open to admitting im wrong if you’re willing to tell me a play that Mahomes made tonight that Allen can’t.

 

I saw him throw 2 TD passes to pass catchers with no defender anywhere near them. And run a bit.

 

There are plays Allen makes every game that Brady never made in his career. So who is better? 

 

Allen is one is the most physically gifted quarterbacks ever,  so they're aren't many plays other quarterbacks make that he can't. But that doesn't mean he's as good as them. 

[Beck Water]

20 hours ago, Einstein said:

The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books.

Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up?

 

You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year.

Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success.

 

Which Andy Reid as head coach you want?

 

The one who was head coach in Philadelphia from 1999-2012 with 2 division round losses, 4 conference losses, a superbowl loss, and 2 WC losses for it?

 

The one who was head coach in KC from 2013-2018 with 2 WC losses, 2 division losses, a conference loss, and a lot of people saying he didn't have what it took to win the big ones?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I know the end of the last 4 seasons was disappointing. So i'm not surprised at how this board has become almost exclusively Sean McDermott hate posts as of late. The amount of vitriol towards he and the rest of the coaching staff is incredibly warranted 

Fixed it for you 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Which Andy Reid as head coach you want?

 

The one who was head coach in Philadelphia from 1999-2012 with 2 division round losses, 4 conference losses, a superbowl loss, and 2 WC losses for it?

 

 

This would be an improvement.

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

On what basis do fans draw this conclusion? Allen is an elite athlete, a good QB, with a handful of incredible games. More often than not, he's wildly inconsistent with accuracy, decision-making, ball security, and composure. 

 

Tell us you don’t watch many Bills games without telling us.

 

Allen has received MVP votes 2 of the last 3 seasons.

[Royale with Cheese]

22 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

True, but more like “can’t get it done in the Super Bowl”. Which is an upgrade over “can’t even make the Super Bowl”.

 

Sean McDermott just finished year 6 with the Bills. By the end of year 6 in Reid’s head coaching career, he had already coached in a Super Bowl.

 

He also brought Alex Smith to the AFCCG.

 

Sweet.

 

Mike Mularkey brought BLAKE BORTLES to the AFCCG. 

 

Mike Zimmer brought Case Keenum to the NFCCG.  
 

Rex Ryan brought Mark Sanchez twice to the AFCCG.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This would be an improvement.

This would be an improvement?  
 

“If we are going to lose in the playoffs, it needs to be at the Andy Reid level with the Eagles.”

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This would be an improvement?  
 

“If we are going to lose in the playoffs, it needs to be at the Andy Reid level with the Eagles.”

Every extra round is a new accomplishment.

[Augie]

17 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Andy who got bailed out by an official? 

 

The guy who got run out of Philly because he can’t win the Big One. 

 

Maybe we should trade a 2nd and a 4th to KC to make him our new OC. Yeah, that sounds good! Let’s start a thread to make that happen! 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Sweet.

 

Mike Mularkey brought BLAKE BORTLES to the AFCCG. 

 

Mike Zimmer brought Case Keenum to the NFCCG.  
 

Rex Ryan brought Mark Sanchez twice to the AFCCG.

 

Exactly.

 

Puts into perspective just how disappointing it is that McDermott has only done it once with a talent like Josh Allen when those subpar coaches did it once with subpar QB’s.