The Super Bowl winning team just gave up 35 points in a Championship game.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m sure you could’ve written the same post the previous 4 seasons…. When the losing team didn’t score over 20 in any of the 4 games.  
 

defense matters.  Offense matters.  STs matter. 
 

this post is so stupid.  
 

yes, we need to put more focus on the offensive side of the ball as we haven’t invested enough into if.  Just say that.  Saying that defense doesn’t matter is just about THE DUMBEST thing someone could say.  

 

So its 24-14 at half, KC comes out and scores.  They then get a stop after a long drive and its 27-21, not 31-21.  Thats a HUGE stop, and you're acting like it doesn't matter.  KC comes out and makes it 28-27, then the defense forces a 3 and out... KC then goes off on the return and obviously the rest is history. 

 

2 drives, 3 points.  10 point deficit into an 8 point lead.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

11 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Spoiler alert…Davis is not “fine” as the number 2. Not even close. Very limited skill set and elite tree. We can upgrade there for sure. 

 

If that's your opinion that's cool but like I said I'm not as down on Davis as others, it was his first year as the starting #2. 

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care, it's inconsequential 

 

Please explain.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

The point is with the rule changes to protect QBs and let WRs get away with murder, even the 85 bears would have gotten 38 dropped on them last night.  The only chance is to be ultra efficient on O.  Marginal additional investment in D will not pay off.

Meanwhile——. The previous 4 Super Bowl winners held their opponents under 21.  The rules were the same as they were this year.  So, in those super bowls, defense definitely mattered.  The notion that it doesn’t matter is stupid.  It matters a lot. 
it didn’t in this SB.  That doesn’t make the point credible. 
 

of course offense is the key-  most importantly an offensive line that can negate the opponents great defense.  We had 2 of the 3 best OLs in the game playing for the title yesterday. The other 2 best OL didn’t make the playoffs because….defense matters. 

33 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

So its 24-14 at half, KC comes out and scores.  They then get a stop after a long drive and its 27-21, not 31-21.  Thats a HUGE stop, and you're acting like it doesn't matter.  KC comes out and makes it 28-27, then the defense forces a 3 and out... KC then goes off on the return and obviously the rest is history. 

 

2 drives, 3 points.  10 point deficit into an 8 point lead.  

I’m acting like a huge stop doesn’t matter?   What did I miss here?

 

edit: maybe I worded my post in a way where the sarcasm wasn’t noticed…. 

my point was- defense definitely matters.

Edited February 13, 2023 by NewEra

[dorquemada]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile——. The previous 4 Super Bowl winners held their opponents under 21.  The rules were the same as they were this year.  So, in those super bowls, defense definitely mattered.  The notion that it doesn’t matter is stupid.  It matters a lot. 
it didn’t in this SB.  That doesn’t make the point credible. 
 

of course offense is the key-  most importantly an offensive line that can negate the opponents great defense.  We had 2 of the 3 best OLs in the game playing for the title yesterday. The other 2 best OL didn’t make the playoffs because….defense matters. 

I’m acting like a huge stop doesn’t matter?   What did I miss here?

 

edit: maybe I worded my post in a way where the sarcasm wasn’t noticed…. 

my point was- defense definitely matters.

Defense matters in as much as you can make critical stops at critical times.  KC spends a whole lot less on D than we do, but have an opportunistic D that seems to show up big in the biggest moments.  Our D on the other hand is statistically smothering but finds a way to show up small when the chips are down.  That hurts when you look at what we could have had loaded up on our Offense in the last several drafts instead of grabbing a bunch of JAGs for some dumb rotational DL that cant get to the QB or stop opponents on 3rd and forever

[Royale with Cheese]

12 hours ago, Beast said:

I am the biggest fan of Edmunds but how do you justify giving him a big contract? 
 

Let him and Poyer walk.

 

Get Allen some speed and protection and the Bills will be on stage at this time next season.

 

Enough said!

 

I agree.  

 

The Eagles DL also generated I believe the 3rd most sacks in NFL history and top 10 in defensive scoring....gave up 38.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Eagles one of the best pass rushing teams in NFL history. 0 sacks. 38 points.

 

49ers best defense in the NFL. 31 points.

 

Last year. Pats second best defense in the league. Blown the hell up by the Bills. 

 

Last year. Bills defense best in the league. Shredded by the chiefs. 

 

In today's NFL, come playoff time an elite offense will beat an elite defense almost every time. 

 

Defense does not matter. 

They really only gave up 24 points (still not great but not horrible). The defensive TD and the punt return got KC 14. Maybe KC scores a TD on their final possession instead of a FG if they needed a TD, though ...

[WhoTom]

Based on the number of points scored, both teams should fire their DCs. And the Eagles should fire their Special Teams Coordinator because of that punt return.

 

That's how this works, right?

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I generally agree but the Chiefs defense was actually a problem for them for most of the season. They snuck out a lot of wins by the skin of their teeth often because of luck. Tonight was no different. A false start and then a flukey fumble returned for a TD plus a big punt return led to 14 points. If not for those plays the Chiefs lose by two scores IMO.

 

The Eagles defense got confused multiple times tonight which left KC pass catchers high school wide open at times. That doesn't mean defense doesn't matter, it was just a bad night for them. I think their defense is a lot like ours, they play vanilla most of the time which is good enough to collect gaudy stats against bad teams, but then the good QBs and offenses exploit it easily. Maybe we should have paid more attention when they gave up 40 points to the Cowboys.

 

I would let Edmunds walk for the reasons you stated. We have to transfer some of our resources from defense to offense, and a good but not elite LB is a great place to start. Hopefully we head into the playoffs next year much healthier on defense because I think the defensive line we started the year with could be a force. White will be one more season removed from his injury and Elam will have more experience. Defense still matters but we don't have to invest anything new into the defense to take it to another level. Just mix up the scheme and trust that the players we have will be good enough to get it done.

I’m sad I can only like this post once. Great points. Beyond being good, it takes luck to win the whole thing. Unfortunately we’ve NEVER gotten a bounce like the one Bolton scooped up for a free 7 points. Add in that awful punt that they nearly housed, and it adds up to a gift SB for Mahomes. Brady had that gift for 2 decades now Mahomes has it. Everyone knows the other team will make a boneheaded mistake gift to give them the victory or the ref is going to toss a mystery flag out to save them. Unfortunately we can’t draft or pay for that kind of luck and we’ll likely never get it. 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

Defense matters in as much as you can make critical stops at critical times.  KC spends a whole lot less on D than we do, but have an opportunistic D that seems to show up big in the biggest moments.  Our D on the other hand is statistically smothering but finds a way to show up small when the chips are down.  That hurts when you look at what we could have had loaded up on our Offense in the last several drafts instead of grabbing a bunch of JAGs for some dumb rotational DL that cant get to the QB or stop opponents on 3rd and forever

This. Who cares what our stupid lazy D does in the regular season. Guys like Cover 1 and other content creators keep throwing out DVOA numbers like any of that matters. There’s not a stat that tells you that the bills d will shrink in big moments but ***** they always do and you know they will. The chiefs D has better players than ours but not that much better. What they do have is Spagnuolo who will take chances and actually changes things up against different teams. He brought pressure at key moments yesterday to flush hurts out of the pocket, specifically to the left to make him throw across his body. He blitzed to throw the timing of the eagles RPO action. Meanwhile Frazier is content with trotting out the same garbage week after week. It never changes and never will. We will not win a ring with him as DC. Simple as that. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile——. The previous 4 Super Bowl winners held their opponents under 21.  The rules were the same as they were this year.  So, in those super bowls, defense definitely mattered.  The notion that it doesn’t matter is stupid.  It matters a lot. 
it didn’t in this SB.  That doesn’t make the point credible. 
 

of course offense is the key-  most importantly an offensive line that can negate the opponents great defense.  We had 2 of the 3 best OLs in the game playing for the title yesterday. The other 2 best OL didn’t make the playoffs because….defense matters. 

I’m acting like a huge stop doesn’t matter?   What did I miss here?

 

edit: maybe I worded my post in a way where the sarcasm wasn’t noticed…. 

my point was- defense definitely matters.

Meant to piggyback - probably just replied to wrong thread though. 

[ngbills]

Draft better and you can afford to let guys walk. The problem has been the drafting and player development. I will also add in smart in season moves. The Chiefs won the game because of guys like - Toney (trade deadline move the Bills could have made, Pacheco (rookie, 7th rounder), Skyy Moore (rookie, 2nd rounder), JuJu (FA sub $4m contract), and 6 rookies playing some significant snaps on defense (McDuffie, Watson, Williams, Karlaftis, Chenal, Cook). 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

This. Who cares what our stupid lazy D does in the regular season. Guys like Cover 1 and other content creators keep throwing out DVOA numbers like any of that matters. There’s not a stat that tells you that the bills d will shrink in big moments but ***** they always do and you know they will. The chiefs D has better players than ours but not that much better. What they do have is Spagnuolo who will take chances and actually changes things up against different teams. He brought pressure at key moments yesterday to flush hurts out of the pocket, specifically to the left to make him throw across his body. He blitzed to throw the timing of the eagles RPO action. Meanwhile Frazier is content with trotting out the same garbage week after week. It never changes and never will. We will not win a ring with him as DC. Simple as that. 

 

Spags blitzes are designed to get free runners to the QB, probably the most important part of designing blitz schemes...quick pressure with nobody blocking the player.

[Fetou]

The grass and the footing issues last night was a huge competitive disadvantage for the eagles as it nullified their strength on defense a bit and made it easier on the o-lines

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

Some other thoughts: 

 

Please don’t resign Edmunds unless you get a break. He’s not Roquan Smith or Fred Warner. Let him go make a big impact for someone else that uses him correctly (and they will). We can’t sink that much money into someone that frazier is going to just have stand in the middle of the field to do nothing and take up space with his long arms. Im sure someone in the draft can do that. 
 

Thought the Eagles unwillingness to come out of nickel when the chiefs went heavy (sound familiar) cost them big time. Chiefs were cool with running all over them and it worked. 
 

We are miles behind the chiefs (and eagles and even the bengals) in elite talent and even further behind the chiefs in terms of o line talent. It’s sad but true. That said, wouldn’t be surprised to see Beane overreact to Poyer leaving and stupidly taking a safety round one. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Spags blitzes are designed to get free runners to the QB, probably the most important part of designing blitz schemes...quick pressure with nobody blocking the player.

Exactly. Frazier does not of that and essentially sleeps during a game. He’s done it his whole career. 

[PatsFanNH]

13 hours ago, Beast said:

I am the biggest fan of Edmunds but how do you justify giving him a big contract? 
 

Let him and Poyer walk.

 

Get Allen some speed and protection and the Bills will be on stage at this time next season.

 

Enough said!

Your premise also forgets that they scored 31 on the top D in the NFL and would have lost if not for a TD return by the D (they would have been down 24-7 or worse if not for that turnover) and the D stepped up in the second half against a top rated O in the Eagles. 
 

What the Bills need is a D that steps up in crunch time and an O that will bring it against a tough D when dowb.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Your premise also forgets that they scored 31 on the top D in the NFL and would have lost if not for a TD return by the D (they would have been down 24-7 or worse if not for that turnover) and the D stepped up in the second half against a top rated O in the Eagles. 
 

What the Bills need is a D that steps up in crunch time and an O that will bring it against a tough D when dowb.

 

Teams are going to score - its getting stops at crucial moments.  We barely did that all season long, let alone in the playoffs. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Teams are going to score - its getting stops at crucial moments.  We barely did that all season long, let alone in the playoffs. 

 

I mean this sounds a little silly when the team averaged allowing 17.5 points during the season.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Teams are going to score - it’s getting stops at crucial moments.  We barely did that all season long, let alone in the playoffs. 

Lol you had the 8th ranked scoring D. Your D did it in the regular season, it’s just a lot harder in the playoffs.  Also your secondary was banged up pretty badly.

[WideNine]

13 hours ago, Beast said:

I am the biggest fan of Edmunds but how do you justify giving him a big contract? 
 

Let him and Poyer walk.

 

Get Allen some speed and protection and the Bills will be on stage at this time next season.

 

Enough said!

 

I don't mind OBD giving Frazier support... the path the Chiefs took did involve a defensive game plan that did a good job of bottling up the Bengals.

 

But our offense was a shell of itself in our playoff game against the Bengals, and was inconsistent throughout the season.

 

Beefing up the support and weapons around Allen would not hurt.

 

 

[streetkings01]

Buffalo has it backwards ……those resources we put into the dline should’ve been put into the oline. We should’ve been looking for bargain dlineman and spent the 1st and 2nd round picks on O lineman.

Edited February 13, 2023 by streetkings01