This place has become poisonous

[dancing_joker]

23 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

What's this a list of coaches with worst records than McDermott??  I assume that is what this list is as if you looked it up you'd find that every name on the list has a worse record than McD with the exception of Belichick and technically Reid.  But Reid has a winning percentage of .641, McD is .639 which is an overall difference of one win more liketime.  With the exception of Shanahan, they've all won one SB and some have better playoff records, but  if you take the one year away that they won the SB as they went at least 3-0, their overall playoff isn't any better either.

 

This is a pretty impressive list of names, but none of which have done any better than McD except Belichick overall except they won one SB each.  I do think winning the SB is a bit of luck involved, the biggest is avoid large number of injuries,  timing i.e. peaking at the right time, matchups, Bills likely would have had a better shot at beating KC than Bengals, and just a bit of luck overall.

 

As to the original point of this thread, I think one of the issues that magnifies everything is the internet.  Imagine what this board would have been like 30 years ago when the Bills lost 4 in a row if everyone had easy access to the internet and there were as many sites to go to for data and information as there is today.  People would have been rioting in the streets.

 

Don't forget too that the word fans is short for fanatics which is what we all are.  Anyone who posts on message boards 12 months of the year, 7 of which there aren't even any games going on is a fanatic.  So as fanatics were not the most rational thinkers as it's emotional.  We likely are more emotional than many of the players are as to them it's a job, many of which weren't even o nthe team last year and many won't be here again next season.    Most here rip the media that covers the team, they don't know anything, they're wrong, if they rip a Bills player they are scorned, etc.  But one thing they are for the most part is unbiased.  When you read many of their articles, they are much more rational takes on things overall than many posters here.

The original issue was Shaw doubting there are 5 coaches who have won as much as much as McDermott. All of the names in that list of active coaches have won the Super Bowl except one, which is better than McDermott and the reason we care about any of this. And the one coach who hasn’t, Kyle Shanahan, has also accomplished more than McDermott. And I’ll take him over McDermott any day. 

[boyst]

21 hours ago, Rigotz said:

It’s not a problem with this message board, it’s a problem with the fan base and it’s totally understandable.

 

After a very long history of failure (my entire adult life as I’m 37 years old), there is finally excitement and hope again.

 

Any time that hope is dashed, the feelings are amplified. People feel like THIS is our one and only chance… and perhaps rightfully so.

 

A little bit of understanding and grace will go a long way in just enjoying this historic moment we’re currently in.

The new fans are entitled #######s. The new fashion statement is a hot take and a quick chaser. 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Casey D said:

It's comments like these that drive me crazy.  No one- I repeat no one-- is "satisfied Just making the playoffs." The implication of these posts is that I whine because I have higher standards and am more discerning than the rest of you.  Fact is, whiners gonna whine.

Yes, please look at other comments. There’s people perfectly content with just making the playoffs  

[Nextmanup]

This is a community to exchange thoughts and ideas.

The problem with a LOT of members here is that they think this is supposed to be a Bills Booster Club, filled with mindless enthusiasm for anything and all things Bills related.

 

The moment others approach it as a forum for critical thought and discussion, the Booster Club type (i.e., kool aid drinkers) get upset. They spend most of their time attacking and commenting on other posters and Bills fans, not the actual team or sport of football.

 

Sounds like this is the camp the OP is in; toughen up.

 

If only the kool aid folks would go away into their own "it's all going to be perfect" bubble...and leave those of us who want to live in reality alone to actually discuss the team, there would be very little in-fighting here.

 

I have found the last couple of weeks to be a breath of fresh air, because so many Bills Booster/Kool Aid types are long gone.

Whatever happened to YoloinOhio?  Was his soul crushed?  As he posted here since the Bengals game?

What is he, a fair weather fan only?

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This is a community to exchange thoughts and ideas.

The problem with a LOT of members here is that they think this is supposed to be a Bills Booster Club, filled with mindless enthusiasm for anything and all things Bills related.

 

The moment others approach it as a forum for critical thought and discussion, the Booster Club type (i.e., kool aid drinkers) get upset. They spend most of their time attacking and commenting on other posters and Bills fans, not the actual team or sport of football.

 

Sounds like this is the camp the OP is in; toughen up.

 

If only the kool aid folks would go away into their own "it's all going to be perfect" bubble...and leave those of us who want to live in reality alone to actually discuss the team, there would be very little in-fighting here.

 

I have found the last couple of weeks to be a breath of fresh air, because so many Bills Booster/Kool Aid types are long gone.

Whatever happened to YoloinOhio?  Was his soul crushed?  As he posted here since the Bengals game?

What is he, a fair weather fan only?

 

 

you really think your opinion of those you're calling out matters? if you do, you have a bigger head then first thought. get over yourself. 

[nedboy7]

24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This is a community to exchange thoughts and ideas.

The problem with a LOT of members here is that they think this is supposed to be a Bills Booster Club, filled with mindless enthusiasm for anything and all things Bills related.

 

The moment others approach it as a forum for critical thought and discussion, the Booster Club type (i.e., kool aid drinkers) get upset. They spend most of their time attacking and commenting on other posters and Bills fans, not the actual team or sport of football.

 

Sounds like this is the camp the OP is in; toughen up.

 

If only the kool aid folks would go away into their own "it's all going to be perfect" bubble...and leave those of us who want to live in reality alone to actually discuss the team, there would be very little in-fighting here.

 

I have found the last couple of weeks to be a breath of fresh air, because so many Bills Booster/Kool Aid types are long gone.

Whatever happened to YoloinOhio?  Was his soul crushed?  As he posted here since the Bengals game?

What is he, a fair weather fan only?

 

 

 

So you are saying not participating in the endless whiny negativity is being in the Booster Club? 

[John from Riverside]

33 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This is a community to exchange thoughts and ideas.

The problem with a LOT of members here is that they think this is supposed to be a Bills Booster Club, filled with mindless enthusiasm for anything and all things Bills related.

 

The moment others approach it as a forum for critical thought and discussion, the Booster Club type (i.e., kool aid drinkers) get upset. They spend most of their time attacking and commenting on other posters and Bills fans, not the actual team or sport of football.

 

Sounds like this is the camp the OP is in; toughen up.

 

If only the kool aid folks would go away into their own "it's all going to be perfect" bubble...and leave those of us who want to live in reality alone to actually discuss the team, there would be very little in-fighting here.

 

I have found the last couple of weeks to be a breath of fresh air, because so many Bills Booster/Kool Aid types are long gone.

Whatever happened to YoloinOhio?  Was his soul crushed?  As he posted here since the Bengals game?

What is he, a fair weather fan only?

 

 

Some fans take a break after the season it’s really not that uncommon

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

What's this a list of coaches with worst records than McDermott??  I assume that is what this list is as if you looked it up you'd find that every name on the list has a worse record than McD with the exception of Belichick and technically Reid.  But Reid has a winning percentage of .641, McD is .639 which is an overall difference of one win more liketime.  With the exception of Shanahan, they've all won one SB and some have better playoff records, but  if you take the one year away that they won the SB as they went at least 3-0, their overall playoff isn't any better either.

 

This is a pretty impressive list of names, but none of which have done any better than McD except Belichick overall except they won one SB each.  

 

 

 

Well, Matt Lafleur is miles ahead, technically,  of every active coach if all you're going to consider is win %....

 

Reid has won 4 times as many games as McD--a difference of 185 games.  He has brought his teams to 10 conference championship games (1 more than BB)--including 4 in a row in Philly and now 5 in a row in KC.  McD had the Bills there once in 6 years...despite having Allen for the last 5 years.  McD and Reid are only similar in a singular way:  their mathematical win %.  They otherwise really can't be seriously compared at this point.  

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, please look at other comments. There’s people perfectly content with just making the playoffs  

There is a difference between being content on just making the playoffs and not losing your ***** whenever you don’t the team is still within it’s championship window
 

Don’t think that your whiny little rants. In some kind of way make you a better fan.

[uticaclub]

22 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 From what I've seen over the last 3 weeks is there are a greater number of overgrown todders who don't have control over their emotions than rational people here. The constant whining, crying, blubbering, ranting & raving has been at a level like nothing I've seen on this board before. I've been comparing it to a small child screaming & crying because mommy didn't buy them ice cream.

 

 And for what? Another McBeane have to go or else thread or there must be accountability thread? Like they get a say in the matter. It's all for nothing, but hey they get to ***** and moan about it. Hate to see how these people deal with real adversity and trying times in life. My parents would've knocked me into next week if I acted like they are as a child, let alone as an adult. 

 

 

 

 

Its a message board during a dead time in the season, what do you or the people complaining about people complaining and discussing how we wont win a Super Bowl with Beane & McDermott suppose to talk about on this platform? You dont think we were all hit as children? No one else wants to hear about it so we B word on this message board. 

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

There is a difference between being content on just making the playoffs and not losing your ***** whenever you don’t the team is still within it’s championship window
 

Don’t think that your whiny little rants. In some kind of way make you a better fan.

The window is closing and theres no reason to billieve Beane & McDermott have what it takes to win a championship. People act like Allen will be here for 20 years; we have five more if we are lucky. We will never be this close to a championship for another generation and people are heated. This is the approriate platform to release those emotions.

Edited February 12, 2023 by uticaclub

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Its a message board during a dead time in the season, what do you or the people complaining about people complaining and discussing how we wont win a Super Bowl with Beane & McDermott suppose to talk about on this platform? You dont think we were all hit as children? No one else wants to hear about it so we B word on this message board. 

The window is closing and theres no reason to billieve Beane & McDermott have what it takes to win a championship.

For you, there’s no reason to believe

[Beck Water]

20 hours ago, benderbender said:

Never really appreciated this forum as much as I do now. You don't have to worry about getting permabanned for having a legitimate take/gripe. Many threads are about actual Bills news that I usually see before an outlet like ESPN. The veterans on this board understand that our season only ended 3 weeks ago. The Super Bowl hasn't happened yet. Even that is going to be salt in the wound. We can't even really process the end of the season because it hasn't happened. It's like expecting for someone to be done grieving before a funeral. If you've already made peace with the season and how it ended, great. Have a cookie. If you haven't, also have a cookie. Cookies all around!

 

I think the problem that the OP is raising is that, while the bolded is true, it's right now swamped by many more repetitive threads about firing coaches and exaulting talented and competitive, but immature players or doing ridiculous things (like trading them for a $37M cap hit, falling to $26M or something like that next season).

 

Sure everyone has a right to their personal opinion.  It's whether and how often and how it's expressed, and whether it's actually backed by good information and rational observation, or only FACTS.

 

The thing is, this has usually been a good board for good football discussion, not just stupid "I had a neuron flash" knee-jerk reaction.  Maybe it will be again some time, but right now it's not, and it seems to me people have a right to have opinions on just as much on whether Sean is a horrible coach who will always lose the big game, or a good coach just not for this era.

 

I've been here since 2008, by the way.

 

I haven't made peace with how the season ended, but I don't see how endless "off with his head, he sucks!"  "Diggs is the only good player on the Bills, they should all have hissy fits and yell at the QB on the sideline and storm out of the locker room!" threads will help towards that end.  And reading all that won't help me.  Just my opinion, I'm told everyone has a right to them.

 

No thanks on the cookie, but nice of you to offer.

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think the problem that the OP is raising is that, while the bolded is true, it's right now swamped by many more repetitive threads about firing coaches and exaulting talented and competitive, but immature players or doing ridiculous things (like trading them for a $37M cap hit, falling to $26M or something like that next season).

 

Sure everyone has a right to their personal opinion.  It's whether and how often and how it's expressed, and whether it's actually backed by good information and rational observation, or only FACTS.

 

The thing is, this has usually been a good board for good football discussion, not just stupid "I had a neuron flash" knee-jerk reaction.  Maybe it will be again some time, but right now it's not, and it seems to me people have a right to have opinions on just as much on whether Sean is a horrible coach who will always lose the big game, or a good coach just not for this era.

 

I've been here since 2008, by the way.

 

I haven't made peace with how the season ended, but I don't see how endless "off with his head, he sucks!"  "Diggs is the only good player on the Bills, they should all have hissy fits and yell at the QB on the sideline and storm out of the locker room!" threads will help towards that end.  And reading all that won't help me.  Just my opinion, I'm told everyone has a right to them.

 

No thanks on the cookie, but nice of you to offer.

 

 

 

 

I’ll take the cookie

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

The window is closing and theres no reason to billieve Beane & McDermott have what it takes to win a championship. People act like Allen will be here for 20 years; we have five more if we are lucky. We will never be this close to a championship for another generation and people are heated. This is the approriate platform to release those emotions.

 

The thing is, there needs to be an awareness that the first 3 sentences are statements of emotion, not factual.

 

It may be true that Beane and McDermott don't have what it takes to get over the top.  Or it may be false.

 

Fact:

2016 after their 2nd consecutive Division round loss, Tony Dungy harshes at Andy Reid on National TV "the Chiefs may win a Superbowl, but it won't be with Andy Reid as their head coach.  In 2017, the Chiefs lost 2 more regular-season games and lost in the WC round.

 

4 years later, the Chiefs had been to 2 Superbowls, won 1, lost 1.

 

There's no reason to believe any coach has what it takes to win a championship, until they do.

[mead107]

What I want to know is why do people complain 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’ll take the cookie

 

🍪

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Its a message board during a dead time in the season, what do you or the people complaining about people complaining and discussing how we wont win a Super Bowl with Beane & McDermott suppose to talk about on this platform? You dont think we were all hit as children? No one else wants to hear about it so we B word on this message board. 

 

 If no one else wants to hear your b!tching and even half the people on a Bills message board don't want to hear it, what should that be telling you? I have no problem with people coming on here to vent about a loss after a game and I get that when that last loss occurs in the playoffs that it will last longer, but we're at the 3 week mark and it just keeps rolling on and on and on. Repetitive threads saying the same thing, single posters just repeating the premise 100 times over and over again, multipled by how ever many of you there are.

 

 I find it odd that many of these posters were the very same people saying the Bills players needed to get over what they saw on the field when Hamlin went down. We had to listen to that on a loop for a few weeks also. Yet these are the same fans can't put a playoff loss behind them 3 full weeks later? A life vs a game, big difference between the two.

 

 Instead let's b!tch about A.) Something we have no control over and B.) Isn't going to happen for at least this year and probably the year after. With Kim Pegula and Damar Hamlin both having cardiac arrests and how Sean handled the situation in the weeks afterwards do you honestly believe Terry is firing Sean anytime soon? I don't see it happening for at least 2-3 years, Terry seems like a big softy to me. So in knowing that, I not going to spend my time b!tching about something that isn't going to happen. 

 

 

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well, Matt Lafleur is miles ahead, technically,  of every active coach if all you're going to consider is win %....

 

Reid has won 4 times as many games as McD--a difference of 185 games.  He has brought his teams to 10 conference championship games (1 more than BB)--including 4 in a row in Philly and now 5 in a row in KC.  McD had the Bills there once in 6 years...despite having Allen for the last 5 years.  McD and Reid are only similar in a singular way:  their mathematical win %.  They otherwise really can't be seriously compared at this point.  

 

And also lost 4 times as many too.  But that's what happens when you coached for 24 years and have the same winning percentage.  The numbers of wins and losses will be bigger. 

 

I'll grant you Reid has certainly done much more in 24 years, I also recall many people talking about how Reid can never win the big one.  Today now has a chance at #2.

 

My main point when looking at the names on that list other than Belichick and I'll throw in Reid too, the rest haven't won any better over their careers than McD has other than they have won one SB.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

This is a community to exchange thoughts and ideas.

The problem with a LOT of members here is that they think this is supposed to be a Bills Booster Club, filled with mindless enthusiasm for anything and all things Bills related.

 

The moment others approach it as a forum for critical thought and discussion, the Booster Club type (i.e., kool aid drinkers) get upset. They spend most of their time attacking and commenting on other posters and Bills fans, not the actual team or sport of football.

 

Sounds like this is the camp the OP is in; toughen up.

 

Well, I could be wrong, but I think the problem is the opposite to what you describe.  I don't think the OP is concerned about critical thought and discussion.

 

I think he's concerned about substituting knee-jerk reaction and "I had a thought" (that don't pass muster when critical thought, or even a single actual fact, are applied to them) for critical thought and discussion. 

 

When too much of that goes on (whether it's positive or negative) it changes the culture of a place, be it a workplace or a message board.

 

Again, I could be wrong, and that's not to say that a "My Team, Right or Wrong" "True fans don't Criticize" mindset doesn't exist here and isn't a problem when it does.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Beck Water