This place has become poisonous

[Draconator]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Nothing makes the board more enjoyable than the self righteousness of the superior fans. 

You must have been looking in the mirror when making this post

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

Thanks for this

 

Discussion helps ease the frustration IMO. Therapeutic. One of my favorite posters on twitter plays the devils advocate. Even his positives are given the negatives along it. Myself personally, I don't want to read about how everythings peachy- keen when is not. I'm one of the biggest homers on this forum when it comes to defending the Buffalo Bills. Its not what I come here to read. What draws my interest the most is controversy.

Is it Sully? Haha

[<bills4life>]

44 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I totally agree with you
 

The people that are ruining it by their constant bitching, and not being happy about the historic moment, should take a chill pill

What exactly do you mean by historic moment?   Because to me winning AFC Championship games, making Super Bowls, winning Super Bowls, etc..  feels historic. This status quo of losing in divisional playoff games with a franchise qb is starting to become unacceptable.  Maybe I’m just old and spoiled but those 4 Superbowl appearances felt historic to me.  Actually quite the opposite with this team. For younger fans I guess it is historic to finally be winning and relevant.  For the rest of us we have been there and done that.  And please don’t confuse “bitching” with asking legitimate questions or having concerns about some of the things that have transpired from the bills early exits the past couple years. 

[danc]

21 minutes ago, wppete said:

Take a long break. Don’t rush back. 

Follow your own advice. 

[MJS]

I don't care if people want to complain and be sad about the loss. I find it childish when fans come on and demand change and make declarations that this coaching staff and this team will NEVER succeed. That's just a bunch of BS.

 

If people want to talk objectively about what changes the team needs to make, and some do, I am totally happy with that. You can even say you want to move on from McDermott or other coaches and state your reasons, but to get all emotional and attack them ceaselessly is just childish. And the statements of finality are silly.

 

This was not the last chance the team is going to have to make the superbowl.

 

And there are a lot of FALSE statements being made, like McDermott never changes, or he's a bad coach, or he is unwilling to change the coaching staff. All of that is hysterics and objectively false. Go look at the history of this team under this regime. If you point that out, you get labeled a homer.

Edited February 11, 2023 by MJS

[Figster]

8 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Is it Sully? Haha

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

 

I realize this is likely my problem, not yours. So I'm giving it a pass at least until the draft, and maybe until training camp.

 

Yes you are probably correct. Ya know, it really is OK for fans to not agree with you. 

 

I also wish to compliment you for being kind enough to wait us out before taking any drastic action that would make us collectively sad.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:

If you think this place is bad avoid Twitter at all costs 

That's just good life advice for everyone. Avoid Twitter at all costs, regardless of what happens to your sports team.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

That's just good life advice for everyone. Avoid Twitter at all costs, regardless of what happens to your sports team.

Following people you like helps

[billsintaiwan]

Every single game that isn't a Bills blowout makes for disheartening reading on the game day thread.

 

However I've come to the conclusion that every fan base is a reflection of the public. Meaning 30% is loud, stupid, and irrational. Also many many experts who've watched a few YouTube videos. 

 

Same thing if I'm at bills bar somewhere. All good when we're in control, irrational silly doom when we're not. 

[Solomon Grundy]

What do you expect from an online forum?? 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

For me personally I never felt higher as a Bills fan than after our demolishing of the Titans in week two. We had huge expectations and up to that point we were actually surpassing them.  But it has been a slow decline since then and I’ve never felt worse as a Bills fan than I do today. 
 

The drought years were filled with terrible teams that had no shot at true success. That made it less painful. These past few years feel like wasted opportunities and even worse I find it hard to imagine excitement for next regular season when it all really boils down to the postseason. 
 

I haven’t listened to sports talk radio of any kind since the Bills lost to the Bengals. It was once a a morning ritual to tune in. As of right now I’m not sure when I will again. 

That, to me, is really so frustrating .. and I blame myself a bit for it .. but I just can’t really enjoy the regular season right now.  It’s all about the playoffs and we have a coaching staff that I don’t trust - AT ALL - in the post-season. 
 

So what.. our Defense plays well against KC again next year in the regular season?… Cool!  Apparently it doesn’t matter because A) It doesn’t translate to the playoffs and B) We keep failing at getting the 1 seed. 
 

I want to enjoy the ride, but without the post-season success, it just feels like a grind … and the inevitable “wait and see” when we get there.  
 

I was desperately hoping for real change so that we could watch the evolution of this team under any type of new scheme/leadership, but it’s the same ish.. run it back.   
 

Maybe FA/Draft changes my perception.   Some big shake ups like trading guys and/or surprising signings/not-signings could do that for me.  
 

But as to where we stand… I’m just exhausted with this current iteration of the Bills.   I’ve flown to LA, driven to Jax, flown to Miami, made my way to any game that’s local(ish) to Atlanta over the past 3 years.   And I’m just spent.. 

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by SCBills

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, billsintaiwan said:

 

Same thing if I'm at bills bar somewhere. All good when we're in control, irrational silly doom when we're not. 

Yes, I have heard that Bills Fans being angry is a serious problem in Taiwan. 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I've been a member of this community since the very beginning, in 2001. 

 

Through the depths of the drought, I've never seen so much whining and anger and lashing out as what goes on daily on this board right now. Not everybody is guilty of this—there are a good number of eminently sane people who post here frequently—but the percentage of people acting like three-year-olds having temper tantrums is as high or higher than it has ever been.

 

I went away for the last weeks since the loss to the Bengals thinking that of course people are going to act out their disappointment; it's natural, I thought, let them get it out of their system. But it's as bad this morning as ever. I've tried blocking the worst offenders but the list would be too long to comprehend at this point. If the Bills were to take one fifth of the hysterical suggestions that are made every hour on this board, they would be out of the playoffs for the next twenty years. 

 

I realize this is likely my problem, not yours. So I'm giving it a pass at least until the draft, and maybe until training camp.

 

I hope some of you will get out of the house now and then and breathe some fresh air. 

 

This is exactly where I am.  I poke my head in from time to time to see if there's any coverage of draft prospects and if anyone's talking about Beane's pressers and so forth, but all I see is the same flailing making ridiculous comparisons of Josh Allen and getting out the tar and pitchforks for firing all the coaches over and over and over again.  Oh and ridiculous stuff that a 2 minute Spotrac search will reveal to not happen, like trading Diggs.

 

That's my problem, you're right, and I have control - I have a baker's dozen "ignore" file and if that's not enough (as it pretty much isn't right now) I can step away. 

 

It may also be the board's problem though, because I'm aware of a double handful of solid contributors here who see it the same way, and are likewise staying away.  So it becomes a self-perpetuating problem - a lot of people who contribute some of the solid content that likely folks like you want to read are sticking their head in, looking around, going "NOPE!" turning around and walking out, leaving the board to the temper tantrums of the time

 

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What do you expect from an online forum?? 

 

Historically, from this forum -  Better

Edited February 11, 2023 by Beck Water

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I've been a member of this community since the very beginning, in 2001. 

 

Through the depths of the drought, I've never seen so much whining and anger and lashing out as what goes on daily on this board right now. Not everybody is guilty of this—there are a good number of eminently sane people who post here frequently—but the percentage of people acting like three-year-olds having temper tantrums is as high or higher than it has ever been.

 

I went away for the last weeks since the loss to the Bengals thinking that of course people are going to act out their disappointment; it's natural, I thought, let them get it out of their system. But it's as bad this morning as ever. I've tried blocking the worst offenders but the list would be too long to comprehend at this point. If the Bills were to take one fifth of the hysterical suggestions that are made every hour on this board, they would be out of the playoffs for the next twenty years. 

 

I realize this is likely my problem, not yours. So I'm giving it a pass at least until the draft, and maybe until training camp.

 

I hope some of you will get out of the house now and then and breathe some fresh air. 

I have never seen people bent out of shape or complain so much after wins for a team that has went 37-12 in the last 3 regular seasons. I have given my criticisms but people that want McDermott fired after 5 playoff appearances in the last 6 seasons following a 17 year playoff drought, 3 straight division titles, a championship game appearance. Yes, he has made questionable decisions. Yes, I think Frazier should be fired but I think I saw someone post on here right after the Bengals game saying we need to clean house. Some people whine and get carried away too much

Edited February 11, 2023 by Buffalo03

[<bills4life>]

17 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't care if people want to complain and be sad about the loss. I find it childish when fans come on and demand change and make declarations that this coaching staff and this team will NEVER succeed. That's just a bunch of BS.

 

If people want to talk objectively about what changes the team needs to make, and some do, I am totally happy with that. You can even say you want to move on from McDermott or other coaches and state your reasons, but to get all emotional and attack them ceaselessly is just childish. And the statements of finality are silly.

 

This was not the last chance the team is going to have to make the superbowl.

 

And there is a lot of FALSE statements being made, like McDermott never changes, or he's a bad coach, or he is unwilling to change the coaching staff. All of that is hysterics and objectively false. Go look at the history of this team under this regime. If you point that out, you get labeled a homer.

Has Sean changed or adapted his defensive philosophy or scheme?  Because clearly against great offenses his defense has been figured out going deeper into the playoffs. It might be good for stat purposes during the regular season, but in the playoffs the past few years his defense has been an abject failure.  Unless Sean makes some changes, the outcome will be the same each and every year.  “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.”

 

 

[benderbender]

The spirit of Reddit finally came to my last refuge online as a Bills fan.

• So many threads about gatekeeping other Bills fans' fandom and/or demanding fan cards. "My dog, wife, and truck died before a Bills game. In a season they went 0-13 I watched them lose the finale and I was THANKFUL! Both ways! 10 miles! In the snow!"
• Virtue signaling about how you're taking devastating loses with no real explanation like a pro. "My wife didn't tell me why she left, why does McD have to tell me about 13 seconds?"
• Or the weird third-party critique of Bills fans in general that goes something like: "Humans are strange. They want a team to win on the tv. Isn't that weird? It's just a game." You wouldn't bother to visit if it were. 

 

Never really appreciated this forum as much as I do now. You don't have to worry about getting permabanned for having a legitimate take/gripe. Many threads are about actual Bills news that I usually see before an outlet like ESPN. The veterans on this board understand that our season only ended 3 weeks ago. The Super Bowl hasn't happened yet. Even that is going to be salt in the wound. We can't even really process the end of the season because it hasn't happened. It's like expecting for someone to be done grieving before a funeral. If you've already made peace with the season and how it ended, great. Have a cookie. If you haven't, also have a cookie. Cookies all around!

[wppete]

39 minutes ago, danc said:

Follow your own advice. 

I think you should follow the advice. 

[Albany,n.y.]

2001 wasn't the very beginning.  I remember posting the day of the Rob Johnson trade in 1998 and that wasn't my 1st post.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, benderbender said:

 

That cookie is freaking me out, Jerry!