Joe Montana Rooted Against Brady Too!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

A really great article from Wright Thompson…an in-depth dive into the background and current life of Joe Montana. I always respected his game and found him to be very rootable when not playing the Bills.
 

Some nuggets include his acrimonious relationship with basically all of his coaches from high school in Western Pa, Notre Dame and 9ers…he succeeded despite them and their constant questioning of his abilities to be a transcendent talent.
 

Also goes into greater detail about his complicated feelings towards Brady’s accomplishments…some excerpts:

 

The violent league he dominated no longer exists. He got knocked out of three different playoff games with hits that would now be illegal. Jim Burt hit him in 1987, and the camera settles on Montana seeming to mumble. He was knocked cold and taken away in the back of an ambulance. In the fourth quarter of the 1990 NFC Championship Game, he rolled out, dodged Lawrence Taylor and looked downfield. Leonard Marshall hit him from behind, helmet to helmet, driving Montana's head down into the turf. The hit broke his hand, cracked his ribs, bruised his sternum and stomach and gave him a concussion. Steve Young sprinted onto the field in concern and got to Joe first.

"Are you all right, Joe?" he yelled.

"I'll be all right," Joe whispered.

The team doctors asked where he hurt.

"Everywhere," he told them.

Montana, who looked like a golden boy with his hair and his Ferrari, knew the secret to winning football better than anyone. It wasn't athleticism or mental acuity or even accuracy.

"Suffering," Ronnie Lott says.

 

Montana accepts that pain is the price football extracts. It's easy to imagine why the success of Tom Brady, who got out without any scars, would seem like a violation of the most basic codes of the game. Growing up, Montana idolized Johnny Unitas, who made the plays and took the shots. Joe wore No. 19 as a kid. A photo exists of him as a rookie wearing a Niners No. 19, but when camp broke, the equipment managers assigned him No. 16 instead. The next time Montana chose a number again, with the Kansas City Chiefs, he picked No. 19.

 

Worth a read even though it’s a long article. 
 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35604915/49ers-legend-joe-montana-reflects-legacy-ahead-super-bowl

Edited February 11, 2023 by NoHuddleKelly12
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[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

A really great article from Wright Thompson…an in-depth dive into the background and current life of Joe Montana. I always respected his game and found him to be very rootable when not playing the Bills.
 

Some nuggets include his acrimonious relationship with basically all of his coaches from high school in Western Pa, Notre Dame and 9ers…he succeeded despite them and their constant questioning of his abilities to be a transcendent talent.
 

Also goes into greater detail about his complicated feelings towards Brady’s accomplishments…some excerpts:

 

The violent league he dominated no longer exists. He got knocked out of three different playoff games with hits that would now be illegal. Jim Burt hit him in 1987, and the camera settles on Montana seeming to mumble. He was knocked cold and taken away in the back of an ambulance. In the fourth quarter of the 1990 NFC Championship Game, he rolled out, dodged Lawrence Taylor and looked downfield. Leonard Marshall hit him from behind, helmet to helmet, driving Montana's head down into the turf. The hit broke his hand, cracked his ribs, bruised his sternum and stomach and gave him a concussion. Steve Young sprinted onto the field in concern and got to Joe first.

"Are you all right, Joe?" he yelled.

"I'll be all right," Joe whispered.

The team doctors asked where he hurt.

"Everywhere," he told them.

Montana, who looked like a golden boy with his hair and his Ferrari, knew the secret to winning football better than anyone. It wasn't athleticism or mental acuity or even accuracy.

"Suffering," Ronnie Lott says.

 

Montana accepts that pain is the price football extracts. It's easy to imagine why the success of Tom Brady, who got out without any scars, would seem like a violation of the most basic codes of the game. Growing up, Montana idolized Johnny Unitas, who made the plays and took the shots. Joe wore No. 19 as a kid. A photo exists of him as a rookie wearing a Niners No. 19, but when camp broke, the equipment managers assigned him No. 16 instead. The next time Montana chose a number again, with the Kansas City Chiefs, he picked No. 19.

 

Worth a read even though it’s a long article. 
 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35604915/49ers-legend-joe-montana-reflects-legacy-ahead-super-bowl

 

 

In fairness..........Brady played about 8-9 years before the violence was forcibly legislated out of the passing game by Goodell.

 

Brady was tremendous at avoiding big hits.    

 

Montana was very good at it but he did like to keep plays alive with his feet.........as evidenced by "The Catch"..........so just not as good at it as Brady.

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Brady was tremendous at avoiding big hits.    

Except the Nate Clements hit that would’ve got him fined, ejected, and arrested in Goodell‘s NFL.

[Mr. WEO]

2 great QBs who rode the "chip on my shoulder, everyone doubted me" shtick to the HOF.

 

The article doesn't really describe a dislike for Brady, just an annoyance that there is a comparison because Joe doesn't think Brady (or other QBs after him I guess) doesn't have to be as tough any more to achieve the highest level of success.  The fact that only 1 guy since him has done so dents his argument a bit.  Plus, no QB in history has taken more hits than Brady.  Increased penalties have not stopped brutal hits.  Helmet to helmets happen every single game, for example, despite being "illegal".  Guys in Joe's era didn't take care of themselves like today's players do as a routine.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Except the Nate Clements hit that would’ve got him fined, ejected, and arrested in Goodell‘s NFL.

 

solid shoulder-shoulder hit.  Brady got right up.  that wouldn't be an ejection today.

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

2 great QBs who rode the "chip on my shoulder, everyone doubted me" shtick to the HOF.

 

The article doesn't really describe a dislike for Brady, just an annoyance that there is a comparison because Joe doesn't think Brady (or other QBs after him I guess) doesn't have to be as tough any more to achieve the highest level of success.  The fact that only 1 guy since him has done so dents his argument a bit.  Plus, no QB in history has taken more hits than Brady.  Increased penalties have not stopped brutal hits.  Helmet to helmets happen every single game, for example, despite being "illegal".  Guys in Joe's era didn't take care of themselves like today's players do as a routine.

 

 

 

 

solid shoulder-shoulder hit.  Brady got right up.  that wouldn't be an ejection today.

Would’ve at the very least been flagged, I guarantee it. Even if it was legal. 

[Chicken Boo]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

In fairness..........Brady played about 8-9 years before the violence was forcibly legislated out of the passing game by Goodell.

 

I can't remember, but wasn't the rule that you can't tackle a QB low made after Brady's ACL tear?

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

Would’ve at the very least been flagged, I guarantee it. Even if it was legal. 

 

i guess. not fined, ejected nor arrested.

[MiltonWaddams]

Working in Whistler and managing a ski shop, I sat down for lunch with Montana and his family in 2002 to get them set up with gear. I will never have a bad thing to say about that man. Gracious, humble and one of the nicest celebrities I’ve ever met. I loved watching him play and that experience placed him in the pantheon of greats for me.

[Billz4ever]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

2 great QBs who rode the "chip on my shoulder, everyone doubted me" shtick to the HOF.

 

The article doesn't really describe a dislike for Brady, just an annoyance that there is a comparison because Joe doesn't think Brady (or other QBs after him I guess) doesn't have to be as tough any more to achieve the highest level of success.  The fact that only 1 guy since him has done so dents his argument a bit.  Plus, no QB in history has taken more hits than Brady.  Increased penalties have not stopped brutal hits.  Helmet to helmets happen every single game, for example, despite being "illegal".  Guys in Joe's era didn't take care of themselves like today's players do as a routine.

 

 

 

That was my takeaway.  I didn't seen anything that said he disliked Brady.  Montana didn't like being compared to him because he thinks they both played in different eras.

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

i guess. not fined, ejected nor arrested.

Flagged and fined. Ejected and arrested was my early morning humor attempt. We’ve seen bogus flags that led to fines and then the NFL doubles down on those fines days after the game rather than admit they were wrong. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

That was my takeaway.  I didn't seen anything that said he disliked Brady.  Montana didn't like being compared to him because he thinks they both played in different eras.

Have edited the thread title to better clarify. Also in the OP I originally stated “complicated” in describing his feelings about Brady’s run. Hope that helps. 

[Ya Digg?]

Haha I love reading the comments from older players and internet tough guys when they talk about older years and “when men were men.” As if trying to keep themselves safe makes them less manly. Are some of the rules a little ridiculous, sure, but also look at how many former players have life long complications because of hits they took during a game. 
 

people talk about guys like Jack Lambert like he was this amazing player, toughest guy, all this stuff, when in reality he was mostly a cheap shot artist playing a kids game. Todays players are in fact bigger, stronger, faster than what players used to be (and please don’t mention individual players, I’m talking about players as a whole) because of the fact they play and train year round, so yes rules do need to be put in place to protect these guys. Has Brady benefitted from these rules, obviously yes, but so had Josh and every other QB. The whole “back in my day” talk just sounds like sour grapes to me

[Mr. WEO]

55 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Flagged and fined. Ejected and arrested was my early morning humor attempt. We’ve seen bogus flags that led to fines and then the NFL doubles down on those fines days after the game rather than admit they were wrong. 

 

Fined for what?  Wasn't head to head.

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

39 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Haha I love reading the comments from older players and internet tough guys when they talk about older years and “when men were men.” As if trying to keep themselves safe makes them less manly. Are some of the rules a little ridiculous, sure, but also look at how many former players have life long complications because of hits they took during a game. 
 

people talk about guys like Jack Lambert like he was this amazing player, toughest guy, all this stuff, when in reality he was mostly a cheap shot artist playing a kids game. Todays players are in fact bigger, stronger, faster than what players used to be (and please don’t mention individual players, I’m talking about players as a whole) because of the fact they play and train year round, so yes rules do need to be put in place to protect these guys. Has Brady benefitted from these rules, obviously yes, but so had Josh and every other QB. The whole “back in my day” talk just sounds like sour grapes to me

I felt like it was more of a situation where Montana was saying look, I should’ve been allowed to continue to compete for the starting job based on my performance before the 90 NFC Championship injury and coming off back to back SB campaigns…we could’ve gone to many more and thereby implying the 9er dynasty would’ve been the equal of or even longer than Brady’s…here’s what I’m talking about:

 

In 1988 and 1989, he led the team to Super Bowl titles. His third and fourth. In 1990 San Francisco was leading the NFC Championship Game deep in the fourth quarter when he got hurt. Steve Young took over and Montana never started for the Niners again.

"Why wasn't I allowed to compete for the job?" he says. "I just had one of the best years I'd ever had. I could understand if I wasn't playing well. We had just won two Super Bowls and I had one of my best years and we were winning in the championship game when I got hurt. How do I not get an opportunity? That's the hardest part."

As Montana worked to recover, he says Seifert banned him from the facility when the team was in the locker room. Something ruptured inside Joe that still hasn't healed. Those other coaches doubted him, fueled him, even manipulated him, but in the end they never pushed him out of the circle. A team was a sacred thing. Joe's an only child -- an essential detail to understand, former teammate Ronnie Lott says, because he lived so much of his early life in his own head -- and his teammates became his family. All the old Niners knew Joe's parents. They gathered around his mom's table for ravioli. Jennifer made fried chicken for team flights. As much as Joe wanted to win football games he also wanted to belong to his teammates, and they to him.

"Why am I not allowed in the facility?" he says. "What did I do to not be allowed in the facility?"

[babulator]

I started following the 49ers after we traded OJ. I'm a big fan of the original Super Joe/Joe Cool. I remember writing him as a youth and them sending back a bunch of autographed pics and stuff. I couldn't be prouder showing all that stuff to my friends back then, good times. I'm with Joe, Good read thanks.

[Charles Romes]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

In fairness..........Brady played about 8-9 years before the violence was forcibly legislated out of the passing game by Goodell.

 

Brady was tremendous at avoiding big hits.    

 

Montana was very good at it but he did like to keep plays alive with his feet.........as evidenced by "The Catch"..........so just not as good at it as Brady.

Montana threw not one, not two but Three bad picks in the legendary “catch” game. Probably would have been benched or behind three scores in today’s NFL. 

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Fined for what?  Wasn't head to head.

 

I guess you aren’t aware of the fines that follow bogus flags. And despite the player appealing, when it’s obvious an infraction wasn’t committed, the league upholds the fine. “Personal foul, unnecessary roughness on the defense, #22. 15 yard penalty, automatic first down.” A fine would follow Clements after the game, one that he would unsuccessfully appeal.

[78thealltimegreat]

Montana was 4-4 in Super Bowls and almost did it again in KC if the Bills didn’t get them in AFC title game… do I think Montana would have gotten 1 or 2 more with the 49ers possibly. That early 90s cowboys team was one of the best teams ever as the Bills found out. 
 

[Mr. WEO]

37 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I guess you aren’t aware of the fines that follow bogus flags. And despite the player appealing, when it’s obvious an infraction wasn’t committed, the league upholds the fine. “Personal foul, unnecessary roughness on the defense, #22. 15 yard penalty, automatic first down.” A fine would follow Clements after the game, one that he would unsuccessfully appeal.

there were 10 (ten) roughing the passer fines in 2022, including the playoffs. 
 

if that hit on Brady isn’t illegal, why would there be a fine?  You haven’t explained that yet. 

[Brand J]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

there were 10 (ten) roughing the passer fines in 2022, including the playoffs. 
 

if that hit on Brady isn’t illegal, why would there be a fine?  You haven’t explained that yet. 

I’m talking about fines coming after bogus penalties, it doesn’t necessarily have to be roughing the passer. Just because the hit wasn’t illegal - just like Cody Ford’s block on that DE in the Houston playoffs - doesn’t mean a fine won’t follow. If there’s a 15 yard infraction the league is looking to hand down financial penalties. In fact, even after upholding Ford’s fine, the league then sent the tape to officials as an illustration of what doesn't constitute a penalty. Go figure.

 

EDIT: Oh and the hit against Brady couldn’t have been called roughing the passer since he was a runner at that point. 

Edited February 11, 2023 by JayBaller10