Excluding QB, who has the better roster, Bills or Jets?

[Radar]

44 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

That’s the problem good luck finding another Josh Allen cause they just drafted 2 guys in the top 3 the last 5 years who don’t have his skill level if you combined them together. 

Yep, you need the quarterback in today's game. They aren't easy to find a franchise type guy. We're fortunate we didn't draft that other Josh most here would have taken.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

the bills suck, didn't you know that OP, so why even ask.

 

[Radar]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the bills suck, didn't you know that OP, so why even ask.

 

They don't suck but they do have weaknesses that must be fixed.

[That's No Moon]

Jets and I don't think it's particularly close.

[Beast]

Anyone that starts out by saying Mosley is better than Edmunds loses all credibility right off the bat and has an obvious whining agenda.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

20 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

The only thing I can think of is the late 90's Bills. They had a really good defense led by Ted Washington. But we had QB controversy with Flutie and Johnson. I always thought the Bills could have won the Super Bowl if MCM didn't happen. At the very least they would have had a good chance to get there.

Reasonable- Titans got there

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, Beast said:

Anyone that starts out by saying Mosley is better than Edmunds loses all credibility right off the bat and has an obvious whining agenda.

Then I have no credibility I guess because I think he is. He's been hurt a lot, but as a player I think he's much better at what I want a linebacker to do. Frazier doesn't want linebackers though, he wants big safeties.

[JMM]

5 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That's not how the NFL works. It's who's got a franchise QB and everything else is secondary.

THIS! We have a top 5 Qb, we will be competing for a SB most of his years. Sit back and enjoy the ride. Hopefully we get at least one.

[The Frankish Reich]

Other teams in recent memory that the Bills roster was worse than “other than QB”:

- the Colts in 2018-20

- the Broncos in 2019-21

- the Browns in 2020

 

So if the question is “trade Allen for some mediocre team’s QB and who’s better now,” the answer is pretty obvious. But no one is trading Allen for Zach Wilson or Teddy Bridgewater. Nor was anyone trading LeBron for Danilo Gallinari. 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

48 minutes ago, Radar said:

They don't suck but they do have weaknesses that must be fixed.

I was being facetious

[K-9]

The Jets have the better overall roster as they should given the abundance of premium draft picks. But as we’ve seen countless times over the years, superior rosters are often wasted when that roster isn’t superior at the most important position. Unless they get the QB position solved, that surrounding talent will wither more than win. 

[transient]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think it is the Bills but I think it is close. I look at it this way, if you put together a composite starting 21 (excluding QBs) what does it look like? To me:

 

Offense:

QB - excluded

RB - Breece Hall (NYJ)

TE - Dawson Knox (BUF)

WR1 - Stefon Diggs (BUF)

WR2 - Garrett Wilson (NYJ)

WR3 - Gabriel Davis (BUF)

LT - Dion Dawkins (BUF)

LG - Alijah Vera-Tucker (NYJ)

C - Mitch Morse (BUF)

RG - Laken Tomlinson (NYJ)

RT - Spencer Brown (BUF) 

 

While I agree that Davis is a WR3, I'm curious who you have as the WR2 on the Bills currently that Wilson is better than... or is Wilson better because he's the only horse in the race and the Bills don't have a true WR2?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, transient said:

While I agree that Davis is a WR3, I'm curious who you have as the WR2 on the Bills currently that Wilson is better than... or is Wilson better because he's the only horse in the race and the Bills don't have a true WR2?

 

They are the best 3 receivers across the two teams. I like Elijah Moore's potential but his production has been meh. 

[gjv]

Jet roster is good enough that they could make the playoffs with Baker Mayfield.

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Ok the regular season then going forward. Right now, it's hard to answer until we go thru FA and the draft. But the Fins and Jets have closed the gap. Allen is the best QB in the division, but I am not sure the Bills have the best roster. The Bills are the favorite to win the division but if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised. Again, this is my answer now. That may change after the offseason moves are made by all 4 teams.

Agree 100%. Miami gave the Bills all they could handle in all three games they played. 

 

The Jets and Pats are solid and need QBs. 

 

The Bills are probably no longer a dominate team in the AFC East. Sure they are favored mainly because of Allen. 

 

After last year, it's pretty clear every team likely believes they have a legit chance to win the division. I don't think you could say that prior to last season. 

 

Imho, the Bills are no longer a feared team. The psychological edge is gone. 

9 hours ago, Process said:

The bills are currently second in odds to win the Superbowl next year. Way ahead of anyone else in the AFCE. And they will be heavy favorites to win the division.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

How much money you gonna put on the other teams?

Well I did win some betting Cinci. Easiest money I've ever collected. It was bitter sweet.

 

I have to see the development of the QB situations in Miami and the Jets. I think either team has a legit chance to knock off the overrated Bills. 

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, Process said:

The bills are currently second in odds to win the Superbowl next year. Way ahead of anyone else in the AFCE. And they will be heavy favorites to win the division.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

How much money you gonna put on the other teams?

Come on now stop embarrassing yourself. Your argument is feeble, weak, and unsubstantiated by last year's odds. Need I remind you of the Bills odds throughout last season? 

 

Take off that homerism hat and see what's happening to this team. It's a slow progression towards being a very good team not an elite Super Bowl team. 

 

The Bills organization is handicapped by the cap, pending contracts, and a faltering coaching staff. 

 

We fans are left with hope, promises, and luck. I'd rather rely on talent and great coaching.

 

Thus far, it's six years of an elite QB and counting. Coming up empty the last two years have been pretty demoralizing. What's gonna change this year to get the team over the hump? 

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That's not how the NFL works. It's who's got a franchise QB and everything else is secondary.

Mostly true. Look at how the Eagles went after free agents to build around Hurts. Look how their players on both sides of the ball dominate the line of scrimmage. 

 

What did the Bills do to help out Allen? How successful have they been? Why hasn't the team advanced further?

 

These are serious questions the whole organization needs to answer and look at. There is no accountability here. Many seem satisfied with the playoff appearances. It feels like we the fans are being placated.

 

We deserve more and should have received more! This team frankly should have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl. It's a failure of Beane and the coaching staff to get it done. Now, the opportunity is slimmer because of Allen's contract and the cap issues. Missed opportunities...

Edited February 10, 2023 by newcam2012

[newcam2012]

PFF Grades 2022

 

WR
Isaiah Hodgins 76.6
Gabe Davis 65.8
Isaiah McKenzie 64.2

 

Edge
Jerry Hughes  71.4
Boogie Basham 66.4
AJ Epenesa  56.7

 

DT
Harrison Phillips 72.1
Ed Oliver 68.5
Tim Settle 53.8
Jordan Phillips 52.2

OL (Pass block)
Jon Feliciano 65.9
Rodger Saffold  51.0

 

Accountability folks. This organization has made critical errors in judgement when evaluating talent and spending their allocations.

 

No doubt this has contributed to the lack of playoff advancement.

 

Who has confidence they will get it right this year? Why or why not? 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

54 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Come on now stop embarrassing yourself. Your argument is feeble, weak, and unsubstantiated by last year's odds. Need I remind you of the Bills odds throughout last season? 

 

Take off that homerism hat and see what's happening to this team. It's a slow progression towards being a very good team not an elite Super Bowl team. 

 

The Bills organization is handicapped by the cap, pending contracts, and a faltering coaching staff. 

 

We fans are left with hope, promises, and luck. I'd rather rely on talent and great coaching.

 

Thus far, it's six years of an elite QB and counting. Coming up empty the last two years have been pretty demoralizing. What's gonna change this year to get the team over the hump? 

 

46 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Mostly true. Look at how the Eagles went after free agents to build around Hurts. Look how their players on both sides of the ball dominate the line of scrimmage. 

 

What did the Bills do to help out Allen? How successful have they been? Why hasn't the team advanced further?

 

These are serious questions the whole organization needs to answer and look at. There is no accountability here. Many seem satisfied with the playoff appearances. It feels like we the fans are being placated.

 

We deserve more and should have received more! This team frankly should have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl. It's a failure of Beane and the coaching staff to get it done. Now, the opportunity is slimmer because of Allen's contract and the cap issues. Missed opportunities...

 

 You sound like the Bills have finally broken your faith lol. Well it's a choice, I choose not to feel that way. You do have to be able to assemble the team in order to win it all, but at the same time you gotta have some luck along the way also. We were not lucky with injuries this year as we have been in the past.

 

 I would agree the team squandered good opportunities in 2020 & 2021. The 1st 2 years with Josh he wasn't ready to lead this team to a Super Bowl. As I already stated I agree with 2020 & 2021 and with who was injured this year going into the playoffs we weren't winning it anyways, whether we lost to the Bengals or the Chiefs is inconsequential. So I do agree that 2 of Josh's 5 years here were squandered. 

 

 But at the same time I'm not going to go around and be angry, rant, rave, whine or cry about it as many on this board have been doing for 3 weeks. It does absolutely no good to do so. After 45 years of being a Bills fan and living through 4 straight Super Bowl loses, this is child's play.

 

 I will always be  optimistic as long as we have a QB like Josh. Remember at one point Bill Belichick & Tom Brady went 10 years in between Super Bowl wins #3 & #4 going 9-8 in the playoffs during that span. I'm sure there were a ton of Pats fans screaming  that  Brady's window was closing for most of those 10 years. Then they won 3 more in the next 5 years. 

 

 I'm not going to ever see it your way and I'm sure you'll never see it mine. And that's fine, that's how it should be. Everyone has an opinion and they're not always going to align with everyone else. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one my Bills friend.

 

 

 

 

[CoudyBills]

11 hours ago, Process said:

The bills are currently second in odds to win the Superbowl next year. Way ahead of anyone else in the AFCE. And they will be heavy favorites to win the division.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

How much money you gonna put on the other teams?

Because they don't have a quarterback.  The one who doesn't know what they are talking about is you.