Khalil Shakir / answer for WR 2 / Makes Sports Illustrated

[Charles Romes]

The fact Shakir totally disappeared to the point Brown and Beasley were brought back was disappointing.  

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Figster said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-2023-predictions-khalil-shakir-future-no-2-wr/ar-AA17wy3t?ocid=xboxntp&cvid=9f31bf41300a404396c44e277cd5382b

 

Shakir makes Sports Illustrated 

 

They put the wrong 50% catch rate, 10% drop rate Bills WR in the article....

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Figster said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-2023-predictions-khalil-shakir-future-no-2-wr/ar-AA17wy3t?ocid=xboxntp&cvid=9f31bf41300a404396c44e277cd5382b

 

Shakir makes Sports Illustrated 

 

I think Shakir could end up being a number 2 if Dorsey utilizes him the right way.  His arms are just really short for a WR playing on the outside

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 2/9/2023 at 8:10 PM, Figster said:

 Andre Reed was drafted in the 4th round from a small School and yet played all 16 games as a rookie with over 600 yards.  Player development under HC McD is being questioned. I'm fine with showing loyalty to a player / senority to a point. Not when it means slowing the development of a more talented athlete. 

McD is loyal to a fault . He should be loyal to winning that’s what the best coaches do. Being loyal to winning is being loyal to the Fan base and organization. 

[Rebel101]

On 2/9/2023 at 7:22 PM, The Wiz said:

Coaching staff will need to see him develop for another 3 years before they give him a starting shot.  

 

 

*This is a joke for everyone that agrees*

Yeah, we’ve wasted a lot of money & roster spots not allowing our picks to perform. 😫

[Figster]

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

McD is loyal to a fault . He should be loyal to winning that’s what the best coaches do. Being loyal to winning is being loyal to the Fan base and organization. 

Very well put NastyNateSoldier

[freddyjj]

On 2/11/2023 at 12:18 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

And Reed arrived 2 and a half seasons before Levy

I lived through the Hank Bullough era and am always confused as to when Bills drafted Andre.  It was same draft as Bruce in 1985 - so 2 HOFers in a single draft.  Wow.   

 

Levy replaced Bullough midway through 1986 so Andre played 1.5 years with Bills  prior to Levy arriving.  

[jletha]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, jletha said:

 

 

 

Shakir should get more snaps in the same respect that Gabe Davis got more snaps as a rookie...............which is when the WR2 is out or when they go 4 wide.

 

Davis actually played 73% of the offensive snaps as a rookie.........almost 800 snaps...........I think people believe he played less than half the time and was on a crazy 1,000+ yard pace or something if he played most of them........and that really wasn't the case.

 

The WR2 in 2023 should be someone in the stratosphere at least of Tee Higgins...........which John Brown was, in his own way, when healthy early in 2020 as the opposite number outside to Stefon Diggs.    That first month of 2020 was probably the most dynamic they've looked with Allen.

 

I like Shakir a lot but in an IDEAL scenario I think he develops into a Hines Ward-esque of guy for the Bills..........Ward was a guy who took a few years to develop into a stud receiver but was productive when called upon and did a lot of dirty work the first few seasons.

 

People who think you should just go Shakir now gotta' recognize that Davis is likely gone after this season and you have to plan for Diggs to lose a step by 2024 at least..........even if we presume Shakir is a starter in year 3 and 4.............WR still needs to be addressed with multiple quality chips this offseason.    A UFA and an early draft pick, hopefully.

[Big Turk]

Shakir was open the most versus man coverage of any rookie WR...seems like the Bills should start using this more? #FreeShakir

 

 

[Nephilim17]

I wouldn't be thrilled with having two 6 foot nothing (and likely smaller) 190 lb receivers with decent but not great speed on both sides.

Put Shakir in the slot and draft a traits guy for #2.

[John from Riverside]

We need this kid to step up this year and take that slot role

 

I’m not a big fan of moving digs into the slot at least not yet. It just creates another hole.

 

I would still be a big fan of bringing in a middle level, free-agent wide receiver like we did every year up until this last year and move Gabe Davis into the third wide receiver position. He seems to thrive there a lot better.

 

 

[Luka]

McDermott failed miserably this year, in my eyes. Elam and Shakir both proved often that they should be on the field and time and time again they stood on the sidelines. Elam was tied for 2nd in interceptions on the team in limited snaps and Shakir consistently made big time catches on 3rd down. Two of the better draft picks for this front office and the coaching staff sat them. Makes me question if OBD is all on the same page. 

[John from Riverside]

On 2/15/2023 at 3:37 PM, Charles Romes said:

The fact Shakir totally disappeared to the point Brown and Beasley were brought back was disappointing.  

I would really like to know what really happened there. Shakur made way too many plays to believe that he pulled the best disappearing act

 

But I’d also like to know why Elam was sat down for a week with no explanation explanation

[finn]

On 2/16/2023 at 11:06 AM, Rebel101 said:

Yeah, we’ve wasted a lot of money & roster spots not allowing our picks to perform. 😫

Which also doesn't give us a chance to see what they can do (Wyatt, Hodgins, possibly Elam). McD seems to think the downsides of playing young players outweighs the upsides. That is obviously the case often, but you look at, say, the KC rookies and you wonder if he's got it backwards in some cases. I remember when Marv Levy refused to put Henry Jones in at safety in one of the early Super Bowls when they were getting clobbered in the secondary. And then when Dallas was running the ball down our throat in the fourth (I think) Super Bowl, he refused to play Parella and other big young DT we had on the bench. I can believe Shakir had his weaknesses, for example, but was he so much worse than "Drop" Davis or that walking disaster, McKenzie? 

[What a Tuel]

6 minutes ago, finn said:

Which also doesn't give us a chance to see what they can do (Wyatt, Hodgins, possibly Elam). McD seems to think the downsides of playing young players outweighs the upsides. That is obviously the case often, but you look at, say, the KC rookies and you wonder if he's got it backwards in some cases. I remember when Marv Levy refused to put Henry Jones in at safety in one of the early Super Bowls when they were getting clobbered in the secondary. And then when Dallas was running the ball down our throat in the fourth (I think) Super Bowl, he refused to play Parella and other big young DT we had on the bench. I can believe Shakir had his weaknesses, for example, but was he so much worse than "Drop" Davis or that walking disaster, McKenzie? 

 

McDuffie was getting torched in the super bowl.

[Fan in Chicago]

On 2/17/2023 at 9:58 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Shakir should get more snaps in the same respect that Gabe Davis got more snaps as a rookie...............which is when the WR2 is out or when they go 4 wide.

 

But purely looking at that chart, there are two takeaways - (1) He has the lowest number of snaps (2) His "open" rate was the highest which means the coaches somehow did not trust him. Or was it Allen not trusting him?

Either way it is a problem. He did have that terrible drop in the playoffs when he either lost the ball in the sun or took his eye off at the wrong time. But, besides that, on the field we didnt see enough throws to him to understand whether he has the Davis-level of catch percent or a healthier one. 

 

This non-trust of rookies (and new additions to the team, see Hines) is a running theme on the McD-coached team and quite concerning. If they use a Rd 1 or 2 on WR this season, how do we know he will be played sufficiently? 

[Fan in Chicago]

On 2/17/2023 at 7:36 PM, John from Riverside said:

 

 

I would still be a big fan of bringing in a middle level, free-agent wide receiver like we did every year up until this last year and move Gabe Davis into the third wide receiver position. He seems to thrive there a lot better.

 

 

I am with you. Given the lack of dependability when on the field, he should start the season no higher than as a #3. I presume we will acquire at least 2 WRs in this off season, so Davis should be a on short leash or get dropped lower on the WR list. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

But purely looking at that chart, there are two takeaways - (1) He has the lowest number of snaps (2) His "open" rate was the highest which means the coaches somehow did not trust him. Or was it Allen not trusting him?

Either way it is a problem. He did have that terrible drop in the playoffs when he either lost the ball in the sun or took his eye off at the wrong time. But, besides that, on the field we didnt see enough throws to him to understand whether he has the Davis-level of catch percent or a healthier one. 

 

This non-trust of rookies (and new additions to the team, see Hines) is a running theme on the McD-coached team and quite concerning. If they use a Rd 1 or 2 on WR this season, how do we know he will be played sufficiently? 

 

The chart is just for getting open against man coverage..........but the Bills aren't really going to face a lot of man coverage.

 

Shakir has some size/length limitations outside that I think teams would really be able to exploit if he were to assume Gabe Davis' WR2 role.   So ideally he'd be a slot receiver but you gotta' be very good against zone to be the slot for the Bills and he was not.   McKenzie is oft-noted as not good when it comes to attacking zone defenses either..........which is why Beasley had to be brought back.  

 

It's not a given that Shakir will now be excellent against zone after a year in the league.........so I think you address WR with a good UFA(not a $2M flyer) and an early draft pick..........and then if Shakir rises and you actually have 4-5 good receivers you are back closer to where you were in 2020.     

[BananaB]

On 2/18/2023 at 10:10 PM, Luka said:

McDermott failed miserably this year, in my eyes. Elam and Shakir both proved often that they should be on the field and time and time again they stood on the sidelines. Elam was tied for 2nd in interceptions on the team in limited snaps and Shakir consistently made big time catches on 3rd down. Two of the better draft picks for this front office and the coaching staff sat them. Makes me question if OBD is all on the same page. 

Starting to believe McD value of experience is holding the development of young players back. Worst thing about last year was when McKenzie and Jackson weren’t getting the job done Shakir and Elam still didn’t get much of a shot.