GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Al is a pretty highly regarded coach. His stint in Arizona as Steve Wilkes' DC in that ill fated one and done definitely knocked his career back a step or two. But his stint as interim DC at the end of last season in Carolina was better. I get the snark on the Carolina connection, but this is a pretty good coach added to the staff. It can't hurt. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) Don't disagree with your overall point, but Schoen and Morgan were Carolina guys. Morgan played for them there, Schoen was an intern with Beane and then an area scout. Never worked with McD there but his relationship with Beane comes from Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, schoolhouserock said: Holcomb has been a DC before - on two different teams. This is the exact opposite of desperation. It is forward thinking/contingency planning. Frazier won’t be here for forever. I don’t see how folks think this is a bad hiring. They now have 5 DC’s on the staff. McDermott, Frazier, Washington, Butler, and Holcomb. Carolina LB Shaq Thompson a likely release In Carolina. Could be Edmunds short-term replacement. Edited February 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Wow! I can’t believe the emphatic negativity about a guy nobody knows much about. He may end up being a good addition to the staff. None of us is in a position to know otherwise. At least until week 2 of next season...😁 Edited February 9, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Wow! I can’t believe the emphatic negativity about a guy nobody knows much about. He may end up being a good addition to the staff. None of us is in a position to know otherwise. Well, when we hired McDermott all the talk was about Carolina’s LBs. This is the guy that coached the best unit in football Keuchley, Davis, Klein, and Thompson. He didn’t do much as a DC though. Holcomb could be a sign they’re going with a young LB group next year and need his help developing and preparing a young group. Edited February 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 hours ago, Chaos said: What does a senior defensive assistant do? Getting ready to replace Frazier after next years playoff failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Don't disagree with your overall point, but Schoen and Morgan were Carolina guys. Morgan played for them there, Schoen was an intern with Beane and then an area scout. Never worked with McD there but his relationship with Beane comes from Carolina Fair enough, I didn’t remember the Schoen connection. Morgan didn’t play for McDermott… he was a scouting intern with Seattle when McDermott was still with Philadelphia… but Morgan was a player at the same time Beane was a personnel assistant. I’m not sure how much of a relationship there was, but you can draw a connection. Appreciate you fact checking me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, balln said: Here’s the analogy folks …… Nate Hackett hired a senior assistant Hc or offensive senior assistant when he botched the first 3 games this year in Denver let that sink in Yeah it's an analogy and it's pretty stupid. 11 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell. Ask him how much he loved Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. Yup it’s time for McD to start holding a play chart like all the other good coaches do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Yup it’s time for McD to start holding a play chart like all the other good coaches do. I would love to see if the issue is Frazier or if Frazier is just a puppet to McDermott and his D is really the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I had no idea who this guy was when I saw the news but told my wife he was probably from Carolina....low and behold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. And for HC? 🤔 * WGR already had a jingle written for Sal Capaccio. Maybe a TBD-TSWer as a 'HC of the Week'? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: If you know he's horrible and you know he's done then why waste a final year with him calling the same crap? I agree. Just my guess, McD is giving Frazier a pass with the season ending injuries to Von Miller and Micah Hyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And for HC? 🤔 * WGR already had a jingle written for Sal Capaccio. Maybe a TBD-TSWer as a 'HC of the Week'? 🤔 Many HC also runs their respective sides of the ball, including the two teams in the Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? McCaffery played for Carolina but somehow we didnt have any interest in getting him. But If Carolina offer anything from the clearance bin, we seem to jump at the chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jauronimo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Again who? How many senior defensive assistants can you name off the top of your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Chaos said: What does a senior defensive assistant do? Probably something similar to what a senior offensive assistant named Mike Shula does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 anger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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