If Brandon Beane doesn’t protect Josh Allen this offseason, how much will your enthusiasm die?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Title sums it up. I don’t care about anything else. The OL nearly ended the career of Josh Allen in 2022. 
 

Edmunds and Poyer? Don’t care. Protect Josh Allen over everything else. Leslie Frazier and the coaches? Don’t care. Our QB takes too many hits. Fix it. 

[Marcus Aurelius]

-3 dB

[PetermansRedemption]

The rest of it that’s left from Frazier not being fired. 

[Mikie2times]

[MWK]

If Allen isn’t protected, the season is over before it started because we will not go anywhere past another blowout in the playoffs. And no, replacing Saffold with a new starter but bringing back Dawkins, Morse, Bates, and Brown and hoping for “improvement” is not acceptable.

[BADOLBILZ]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Title sums it up. I don’t care about anything else. The OL nearly ended the career of Josh Allen in 2022. 
 

Edmunds and Poyer? Don’t care. Protect Josh Allen over everything else. Leslie Frazier and the coaches? Don’t care. Our QB takes too many hits. Fix it. 

 

 

I'm with you..........and you address needs in free agency and via trade where you can expect immediate results.

 

The draft you gotta' let come to you for the most part...........you don't draft Cody Ford just because "we need a tackle" (as Brandon Beane famously said on Bills Embedded)........you pick the best available player at a premium position in round 1.........and try to do the same in round 2.    If that's defense it's unfortunate timing........but so be it.    

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Title sums it up. I don’t care about anything else. The OL nearly ended the career of Josh Allen in 2022. 
 

Edmunds and Poyer? Don’t care. Protect Josh Allen over everything else. Leslie Frazier and the coaches? Don’t care. Our QB takes too many hits. Fix it. 

Well frankly that should've been the strategy 5 years ago.  Let's play this fun game called "pick the defensive bust".  Meanwhile coaches get to take no accountability while their jobs are protected. This team has failed Josh in every possible way. 

1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

-3 dB

Eventually you'll go deaf....

[ShakAttack]

So let’s say Oline is the priority. Ok, that is understandable.
 

But my problem is, over and over again, when we get to the playoffs, PASS RUSH IS THE PROBLEM as soon as we face off with one of these Top 5 QBs.

 

Meanwhile, when we see those same QBs struggle, why does it happen? Pressure. Consistent pressure, without relying on the blitz. 

 

Yes. I realize how much draft capital we have WASTED on the DL… but what do you do if the DL remains insufficient? Knowing it is a critical piece to a Super Bowl team. 

 

It’s kind of like teams that miss on a franchise QB in the draft. Just because you tried once and failed, does it mean you have to wait before you try again? No. You have to keep making it a top priority until you get it right. 
 

fortunately, we have that piece in Allen.  
 

But I would argue that DL is going to be slightly more important than OL for us. They should both be priorities, but there seems to be so many successful starting OL in the league that were Day 2 picks, so I would say, load up on OL in Rounds 3-6, but in Rounds 1&2… I think there are other players/positions that can have a bigger impact for this team, especially in the playoffs. 

 

Yeah we’ve got Von, but coming off an ACL, he might never be the same player again for all we know. Do we bank on that? Because if it’s not him, and we meet the Chiefs/Bengals in the playoffs again, it WILL be the lack of a pass rush as the reason our defense gets completely run over and just how pissed off would that make us?

 

OL and DL. Both very important. But one thing I keep noticing is more often than not, when teams make a run in the playoffs, when they take down the top offenses in the NFL en route to the Super Bowl and then WIN the Super Bowl, they also had success against top QBs because they deployed an elite pass rush that cripples the entire offense.  
 

And when they lose, like the Bills in 2020, 2021 and 2022… their pass rush was usually lacking.  

 

it’s how the giants beat Brady twice

its how the Bucs beat Mahomes

its how the bengals shut down the bills offense

and it’s how KC beat the bengals 

oh yeah, and it’s how the Rams closed out last years Super Bowl too

 

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by BobBelcher

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

So let’s say Oline is the priority. Ok, that is understandable.
 

But my problem is, over and over again, when we get to the playoffs, PASS RUSH IS THE PROBLEM as soon as we face off with one of these Top 5 QBs.

 

Meanwhile, when we see those same QBs struggle, why does it happen? Pressure. Consistent pressure, without relying on the blitz. 

 

Yes. I realize how much draft capital we have WASTED on the DL… but what do you do if the DL remains insufficient? Knowing it is a critical piece to a Super Bowl team. 

 

It’s kind of like teams that miss on a franchise QB in the draft. Just because you tried once and failed, does it mean you have to wait before you try again? No. You have to keep making it a top priority until you get it right. 
 

fortunately, we have that piece in Allen.  
 

But I would argue that DL is going to be slightly more important than OL for us. They should both be priorities, but there seems to be so many successful starting OL in the league that were Day 2 picks, so I would say, load up on OL in Rounds 3-6, but in Rounds 1&2… I think there are other players/positions that can have a bigger impact for this team, especially in the playoffs. 

 

Yeah we’ve got Von, but coming off an ACL, he might never be the same player again for all we know. Do we bank on that? Because if it’s not him, and we meet the Chiefs/Bengals in the playoffs again, it WILL be the lack of a pass rush as the reason our defense gets completely run over and just how pissed off would that make us?

 

OL and DL. Both very important. But one thing I keep noticing is more often than not, when teams make a run in the playoffs, when they take down the top offenses in the NFL en route to the Super Bowl and then WIN the Super Bowl, they also had success against top QBs because they deployed an elite pass rush that cripples the entire offense.  
 

And when they lose, like the Bills in 2020, 2021 and 2022… their pass rush was usually lacking.  

 

it’s how the giants beat Brady twice

its how the Bucs beat Mahomes

its how the bengals shut down the bills offense

and it’s how KC beat the bengals 

oh yeah, and it’s how the Rams closed out last years Super Bowl too

 

 

At least we have something that can improve the pass rush immediately in Von Miller. We know the injury and age aren’t ideal but this is the position Brandon Beane has put us in. We also have young players that can improve.

 

OL must be the priority this offseason. 

 

 

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well frankly that should've been the strategy 5 years ago.  Let's play this fun game called "pick the defensive bust".  Meanwhile coaches get to take no accountability while their jobs are protected. This team has failed Josh in every possible way. 

Eventually you'll go deaf....

Trust me there is accountability. You just don’t fire coaches for being out coached by the Chiefs and Bengals in the playoffs.

 

It will eventually catch up and cost jobs but when you’re 1-2 games away from the Super Bowl every year you don’t make drastic changes to the coaching staff.

 

 

[Jim]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The draft you gotta' let come to you for the most part...........you don't draft Cody Ford just because "we need a tackle" (as Brandon Beane famously said on Bills Embedded)    

 

He actually said this? And it was released by the team?

[Gregg]

6 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

So let’s say Oline is the priority. Ok, that is understandable.
 

But my problem is, over and over again, when we get to the playoffs, PASS RUSH IS THE PROBLEM as soon as we face off with one of these Top 5 QBs.

 

Meanwhile, when we see those same QBs struggle, why does it happen? Pressure. Consistent pressure, without relying on the blitz. 

 

Yes. I realize how much draft capital we have WASTED on the DL… but what do you do if the DL remains insufficient? Knowing it is a critical piece to a Super Bowl team. 

 

It’s kind of like teams that miss on a franchise QB in the draft. Just because you tried once and failed, does it mean you have to wait before you try again? No. You have to keep making it a top priority until you get it right. 
 

fortunately, we have that piece in Allen.  
 

But I would argue that DL is going to be slightly more important than OL for us. They should both be priorities, but there seems to be so many successful starting OL in the league that were Day 2 picks, so I would say, load up on OL in Rounds 3-6, but in Rounds 1&2… I think there are other players/positions that can have a bigger impact for this team, especially in the playoffs. 

 

Yeah we’ve got Von, but coming off an ACL, he might never be the same player again for all we know. Do we bank on that? Because if it’s not him, and we meet the Chiefs/Bengals in the playoffs again, it WILL be the lack of a pass rush as the reason our defense gets completely run over and just how pissed off would that make us?

 

OL and DL. Both very important. But one thing I keep noticing is more often than not, when teams make a run in the playoffs, when they take down the top offenses in the NFL en route to the Super Bowl and then WIN the Super Bowl, they also had success against top QBs because they deployed an elite pass rush that cripples the entire offense.  
 

And when they lose, like the Bills in 2020, 2021 and 2022… their pass rush was usually lacking.  

 

it’s how the giants beat Brady twice

its how the Bucs beat Mahomes

its how the bengals shut down the bills offense

and it’s how KC beat the bengals 

oh yeah, and it’s how the Rams closed out last years Super Bowl too

 

 

 

We are weak at the LOS on both sides of the ball. At least when Von was out there, we could generate a pass rush. Does anyone expect a 34-year-old to remain healthy for the entire season next year. I hope so but I wouldn't count on it. Lot of pressure on Beane in this draft. I don't expect the Bills to be major players in FA. We are probably going to have trouble resigning our own. Any real improvement will have come from the draft IMHO. Beane has to have a draft this year that JD had last year for the Jets with Breece, Wilson and Sauce.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

We are weak at the LOS on both sides of the ball. At least when Von was out there, we could generate a pass rush. Does anyone expect a 34-year-old to remain healthy for the entire season next year. I hope so but I wouldn't count on it. Lot of pressure on Beane in this draft. I don't expect the Bills to be major players in FA. We are probably going to have trouble resigning our own. Any real improvement will have come from the draft IMHO. Beane has to have a draft this year that JD had last year for the Jets with Breece, Wilson and Sauce.

Jets were picking at the top of the draft. Imo, Beane has to let some talent on D walk, spend FA resources on offense, and then I would still prioritize offense with the draft, though bpa at premium spots regardless is also a rational plan. Regardless, to the fella complaining about the lack of pass rush, we've taken a lot of swings at improving the DL. We haven't done the same with OL -- and when we have, we draft Cody Ford. I think you build the offense so it can consistently and reliably outscore the opponent. Make certain that even if Frazier's passive D is up against a top qb in the playoffs or the D has an off day, you still have the potential to win. I don't think it's optimal to keep trying to fix the pass rush at the top of the draft, personally. I'd go the other way and try to make the mercurial offense solidly reliable.

[Gregg]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Jets were picking at the top of the draft. Imo, Beane has to let some talent on D walk, spend FA resources on offense, and then I would still prioritize offense with the draft, though bpa at premium spots regardless is also a rational plan. Regardless, to the fella complaining about the lack of pass rush, we've taken a lot of swings at improving the DL. We haven't done the same with OL -- and when we have, we draft Cody Ford. I think you build the offense so it can consistently and reliably outscore the opponent. Make certain that even if Frazier's passive D is up against a top qb in the playoffs or the D has an off day, you still have the potential to win. I don't think it's optimal to keep trying to fix the pass rush at the top of the draft, personally. I'd go the other way and try to make the mercurial offense solidly reliable.

 

Agree. I prefer they look to improve the OL first then WR-2 to go opposite Diggs. This would slide Davis to WR-3 where he could probably do very well. 

[ProcessTruster]

pretty sure OL is where Beane is going #1, so no worries there.  DL #2 if one grades out at 54.   Between Gabe, Beas, Crowder and Shakir, Y and Z  WRs will be sorted out, IMO.  WR #3 pick maybe, or another OL.   Plenty of guys coming back to get WR figured out.   

 

No real FA signings as there is no $$.   Pray that Von comes back strong and fast as a ton of cap $$ stuck there.   

[Airseven]

I had the same concerns last off-season and nothing changed. Bills are stuck in the tumble dry low setting where there’s always still a little damp spot.

[Dr. Who]

10 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

pretty sure OL is where Beane is going #1, so no worries there.  DL #2 if one grades out at 54.   Between Gabe, Beas, Crowder and Shakir, Y and Z  WRs will be sorted out, IMO.  WR #3 pick maybe, or another OL.   Plenty of guys coming back to get WR figured out.   

 

No real FA signings as there is no $$.   Pray that Von comes back strong and fast as a ton of cap $$ stuck there.   

Davis is the WR#3. WR#2 needs an upgrade. You're incorrect about the quality of wr in the room.

[Ramza86]

OL and WR. 

 

If this isnt addressed, we are going to lose again in the playoffs the same way we did to the Bengals and then heads need to roll.

[phxbacker]

He said in his press conference the only thing he gets on Josh about is taking hits.
I hope he realized that he can make that happen just as much as Josh can.

[Don Otreply]

Should Beane and McDermott not make a concerted effort shift resources to improve the O-line and address the OCs and DCs overall scheme they will have not done what needs to happen to make the team better. I have some hope that they fully understand this, and have some uncertainty that they will achieve the goal. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Radar]

Both lines but most important OL. Then think about WR.