CNYfan Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Ew, he's stiff, a system guy and will be like a Jaelen Raeger / Kevin White type in the NFL. Will be WAYYYYY over drafted. I tend to agree. I am not an expert, but I came away unimpressed. Quote
WideNine Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 3:24 PM, CookieG said: This is where you go back to Bill Walsh's Rule no. 1 for drafting...how does he help our team? Walsh was notorious for cutting off scouts who said things like "he's not a good pick in the 1st round, but he'd be great in the 2nd". He'd just say, after the draft, he won't be judged on where he was drafted, but how he plays. I don't think they even graded players by round, they used a 1-10 scale. I bring this up because you seem pretty lukewarm on Rice and say the reviews are all over the place on Vorhees. At the same time, I think you said Schmidt from Minnesota is the best IOL in the draft. Reading between the lines, it seems you like Schmidt but don't want to take him in the 1st, even at 27? (and I'm just using this as an example.) If...you think Rice helps more than Schmidt would, that's fine, so be it. But if you pass on a player you like, because "that's too high for him, or for the position:" and take someone you are lukewarm on...and the player you liked is gone by your next pick...I don't get it. That's where I am at. I think Schmidt, if he is the best OL and C in the draft, is where you put your chips. I think that kid would be a great fit. Not sure if he is a reach if he is the best one available at a position of need and pegged to go at the top of the 2nd round... Quote
CEN-CAL17 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 Rashee Rice flopped at the Senior Bowl…. Zay Flowers is on the rise. But I probably go Schmitz C/OG 2 Quote
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said: Sign me up for that 1 Quote
John from Riverside Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 15 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I think it will be a more defensive centric draft. We know that Beane has a pattern of drafting for need and right now I see the Bills biggest need as being pass rush. If Miller is hurt (does anyone believe he will be healthy the whole season ?) our pass rush is very anemic. So I could see Beane taking the best available EDGE at 27 to provide some insurance against Millers health. Also Poyer will be gone and most likely we will not be able to resign Edmunds at the money he wants. So I could see Beane going LB and Safety with our next 2 picks. Then picking up 2 guards in the next 2 rounds. I don't think Beane thinks WR is necessary in that he drafted Shakir last season. I think many fans get confused by what "they want" vs what the GM "will do". My post is based on what I predict Beane "will do". That is a throw my TV out of a third story window type a draft 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 7, 2023 Author Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, warrior9 said: Ew, he's stiff, a system guy and will be like a Jaelen Raeger / Kevin White type in the NFL. Will be WAYYYYY over drafted. I mean Raegor and White were both busts but they were very different prospects coming out. On Johnson specifically the fact that DJ doesn't think he will even be a first round pick come April should be a red flag. There are some concerns there on tape. 1 Quote
Pete Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 If value isn’t there at 27, I hope Beane trades back for more top 100 picks 4 Quote
warrior9 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I mean Raegor and White were both busts but they were very different prospects coming out. On Johnson specifically the fact that DJ doesn't think he will even be a first round pick come April should be a red flag. There are some concerns there on tape. I meant he will be those two in terms of pedigree, not type of players. Exactly. Johnson does nothing spectacular. When you watch him play, there wasn't one time I was like "WOW, he's good." Cool, he took a drag 80 yards to the crib against Michigan..... it was a drag route. Quote
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I mean Raegor and White were both busts but they were very different prospects coming out. On Johnson specifically the fact that DJ doesn't think he will even be a first round pick come April should be a red flag. There are some concerns there on tape. Who is DJ? And what are the concerns? Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 2:08 PM, GunnerBill said: Here it is folks, version 1 of my 2023 mock draft and it is a two rounder. Version 2 will be a 1 rounder with trades after free agency and version 3 drops draft week. Enjoy and feel free to comment below!! - - - ROUND 1 - - - 1 – Chicago Bears – Jalen Carter, Defensive Tackle, Georgia There is a fair amount to unpick with this pick. Firstly, do the Bears stick with Justin Fields? My strong sense is they will. Then the question becomes is there a team wanting to jump Houston for their Quarterback of choice? Likely there will be, but for now I move to question three… if not Jalen Carter or Will Anderson? Positional value would point you towards Anderson but remember Ryan Poles, the Bears GM came from Kansas City where their best pass rusher is Chris Jones from the interior. Therefore, for now, I edge towards Carter being the pick. 2 – Houston Texans – Bryce Young, Quarterback, Alabama The Texans are going to take a Quarterback, the question is which one? I think if DeMeco Ryans is going to bring a Shanahan style offense with him that probably suits Bryce Young as a sound decision maker and accurate distributor the best. 3 – Arizona Cardinals – Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama The Cardinals, like the Bears, have needs right across the defensive line with JJ Watt’s retirement. Anderson, to me, is a better fit as a stand up edge rusher in a 3-4 than he is playing with his hand in the dirt as a 4-3 end. Anderson wasn’t quite as dominant in 2022 as he was in 2021 but he is still a legitimate top 5 talent. 4 – Indianapolis Colts – Will Levis, Quarterback, Kentucky Whoever the Colts hire as Head Coach they need to get out of their cycle of damaged goods veterans at Quarterback and finally land a successor to Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. The early buzz is that Chris Ballard is enamored with Levis’s size and tools. There is some inaccuracy and recklessness on the film that concerns you but he is likely the highest ceiling Quarterback in the class. 5 – Seattle Seahawks – Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech If I was running the Seattle Seahawks I think I would take a Quarterback despite Geno Smith’s career year. However, I don’t expect them to do that. They addressed offensive line last year and I think their focus in this draft will switch to defensive line where Tyree Wilson fits the profile of the bigger ends that John Schneider and Pete Carroll have traditionally likes. 6 – Detroit Lions – Joey Porter Jnr, Cornerback, Penn State The NFL Draft just keeps falling the Lions way at the moment. Two years ago they were able to land a franchise offensive tackle, last year they were able to land a franchise pass rusher and now they get their choice of corners. There are three or four contenders to be the first corner off the board but I am giving them Joey Porter Jnr from Penn State who had 11 pass breakups as a junior this past year. 7 – Las Vegas Raiders – Peter Skoronski, Offensive Tackle, Northwestern At this stage who knows what the Raiders plan is at Quarterback? They could certainly go that direction here but I suspect that they would prefer a veteran. Which likely narrows their choice down to offensive line or corner. Skoronski is the highest floor offensive lineman in the class but I’m not sure whether he has the length to be an elite blindside protector. The Raiders have Kolton Miller at left tackle so could afford to slot Skoronski in at right tackle or guard. 8 – Atlanta Falcons – Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson I am not really sure what the plan is for the Falcons. Arthur Smith is about to go into year three, they still have no discernable identity and no Quarterback. Maybe they pick a signal caller here but they also have needs on the defensive line and Myles Muprhy would be an immediate upgrade to their pass rush. His length makes him a natural scheme fit. 9 – Carolina Panthers – CJ Stroud, Quarterback, Ohio State The Panthers (Frank Reich’s new team), like the Colts (Frank Reich’s old team), have tried the approach of free agents and trade acquisitions since losing a former #1 overall pick at Quarterback. I feel like they will select one in the first round of this draft and they are a very real candidate to try and trade up. Here I have them taking Stroud who requires some technical refinement to succeed in the pros but has an intriguing set of tools to work with. 10 – Philadelphia Eagles – Christian Gonzalez, Cornerback, Oregon Rarely can a team have been in such a strong position as the Eagles, in the Superbowl, with two first round picks to come in the following draft. They don’t have a ton of critical free agents either, but James Bradberry is one they do have, and their star corner on the opposite side Darius Slay is 32. So I expect this pick to be a corner and Gonzalez’s length makes him look like a natural fit in Jonathan Gannon’s defense. 11 – Tennessee Titans – Broderick Jones, Offensive Tackle, Georgia Taylor Lewan has been a fantastic servant to the Titans since they made him their first round selection in 2014 but is nearly 32, has been hurt two of the last three seasons and saves them almost $15m against the cap to cut. I think they might decide to move on and Jones is exactly the big physical mauler I can see them loving. 12 – Houston Texans – Jordan Addison, Wide Receiver, USC Whichever Quarterback the Texans take at #2 they need to give that guy some weapons. This choice, a bit like my choice of Bryce Young, is made on the basis that they want to try and run a Shanahan style stretch zone version of the west coast offense which stretches the field horizontally and gets creative in its use of playmakers. Addison isn’t an archetypal NFL #1 receiver, but could he be a version of Deebo Samuel or Brandon Aiyuk? Yes. 13 – New York Jets – Paris Johnson Jnr, Ohio State The Jets offensive line seems to have been in a state of flux for years. One presumes they are about to give up on the Mekhi Becton experiment but Alijah Vera-Tucker was playing at an all-pro type level before getting hurt last season. Plug Johnson in beside him at left tackle and at least one side of that line is solidified. 14 – New England Patriots – Devon Witherspoon, Cornerback, Illinois At times last year Bill Belichick was playing four safeties in his secondary, which tells you all you need to know about what he thinks of his current crop of corners. Witherspoon has been shooting up draft boards as people have started to dig into his film and his ability to hold up in man on island will have Belichick salivating. 15 – Green Bay Packers – Michael Meyer, Tight End, Notre Dame If you are going to run that Shanahan style scheme then you are going to need a tight end or two and that tight end better be able to block as well as catch. Both Robert Tonyan and Marcedes Lewis are impending free agents. If neither are back than Michael Meyer is the perfect fit for Matt LaFleur, whoever he has under center. 16 – Washington Commanders – Cam Smith, Cornerback, South Carolina Another team who seem to have no obvious plan at Quarterback. They could gamble on Anthony Richardson out of Florida at this spot but I wonder if with a lame duck owners, and a lame duck head coach, the more obvious move isn’t to shore up the porous secondary and let the inevitable new regime in 2024 take a swing on a Quarterback. In which case Cam Smith is the best defensive back left on the board. 17 – Pittsburgh Steelers – Bryan Bresee, Defensive Tackle, Clemson For the Steelers this pick should be “best trenches player available.” For a team traditionally renowned for its toughness and grit they have become a bit of a soft touch in recent years capable of being bullied at the line. Bresse can slide right into the spot that Larry Ogunjobi, a free agent, has occupied. 18 – Detroit Lions – Bijan Robinson, Running Back, Texas Remember what I said about the draft keeps falling for the Lions? Here we are again. Sure, positional need would suggest Bijan Robinson is a bit of a luxury pick at #18 but having addressed their major need earlier in the round they can afford the luxury of taking the best player available. Robinson is a dynamic player and adds to a scary looking offense core with Amon-Ra St Brown and Jameson Williams. 19 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Anthony Richardson, Quarterback, Florida This is a bit of a punt, but while the Buccs defense needs a lot of work if they can get their offensive line healthy it isn’t the worst situation to drop a rookie Quarterback into. I think Richardson will find his way into the first round given the number of unsettled Quarterback situations, maybe he makes the short trip from Gainsville to Tampa. 20 – Seattle Seahawks – Brian Branch, Safety, Alabama The Seahawks got great production out of rookie corner Tariq Woolen in 2022, but relying on a guy who plays with his aggressive style means you are going to need good safety play behind him. Brian Branch is a versatile defender who can play outside, in the box or as the deep guy and would improve the Seattle secondary. 21 – Los Angeles Chargers – Quintin Johnson, Wide Receiver, TCU For all the pre-season talk about their offensive weaponry the Chargers found it difficult to push the ball down the field in 2022. Keenan Allen has been a terrific player, but he missed time hurt and turns 31 during draft weekend. Mike Williams continues to a decent contested catch guy but doesn’t offer much else. Quintin Johnson is a prototypical NFL #1 receiver and he would allow Allen to make a Larry Fitzgerald esque late career move into the slot. 22 – Baltimore Ravens – Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Wide Receiver, Ohio State The Ravens obviously have to decide what to do with Lamar Jackson and that might affect what they do in the draft. However, whoever the Quarterback is needs a better wide receiver corps than the oft injured Rashod Bateman and Devin Duvernay to throw to. Smith-Njigba might do his best work from the slot but he is still a significant upgrade in Baltimore. 23 – Minnesota Vikings – Kelee Ringo, Cornerback, Georgia The Vikings secondary was a problem at the end for Mike Zimmer and it fared no better following his departure. Ringo is excellent in zone coverage and has instincts that you look for at the next level, though he will need to improve his ball skills to maximise his talents. 24 – Jacksonville Jaguars – Anton Harrison, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma The Jags came on strong down the stretch and the work they have done on their defense started to pay dividends. Jawaan Taylor has never lived up to his pre-draft hype at right tackle and is an impending free agent, so it is possible the Jags take his successor here in Harrison who demonstrated impressive pass protection skills. 25 – New York Giants – Trenton Simpson, Linebacker, Clemson The Giants need receiver help but I expect them to be aggressive in that regard in free agency and the value doesn’t really match up with that need in any event here. Therefore I can see them going to the defensive side of the ball where Wink Martindale’s overachieving unit desperately needs an infusion of athleticism at the second level and Simpson is a demon in pass coverage. 26 – Dallas Cowboys – Antonio Johnson, Safety, Texas A&M The Cowboys haven’t quite got the secondary right and it just so happens that the best player available on the board at this point is a defensive back. Johnson is every bit the modern NFL safety. Excellent in coverage. Rangey, with great instincts and a sound tackler. His ball skills could be improved but otherwise he has the lot. 27 – Buffalo Bills – Rashee Rice, Wide Receiver, SMU This is not a great spot for the Bills. The true 1st round grades at offensive line and wide receiver are exhausted, and the two options at safety are now off the board. In this scenario I think they’d be open to a trade back or maybe they’d be willing to forgo positional value for a guard but possibly the smarter play is to take a shot at a receiver. Rashee Rice is probably the most natural fit in their offense of the guys that remain. 28 – Cincinnati Bengals – Dalton Kincaid, Tight End, Utah Hayden Hurst did a nice job as a one year band aid at tight end for the Bengals and maybe they bring him back if they decide not to extend Tee Higgins. Otherwise they could draft a replacement and in Kincaid they find another dynamic receiving weapon for Joe Burrow. 29 – New Orleans Saints – Drew Sanders, Linebacker, Arkansas The Saints have San Francisco’s original first rounder in the most convoluted way possible (traded to Miami – for a pick from Houston in exchange for Laremy Tunsil - to take Trey Lance, then Miami traded to Denver for Bradley Chubb and eventually the Broncos sent it to the Saints for the rights to Sean Payton). New Orleans has got great value out Demario Davis who they signed as a free agent in 2018 (a 1st or 2nd team all pro in each of the past 4 seasons) but he is now 34 and as such they need a replacement. Sanders originally went to Alabama as a 5 star recruit edge rusher but converted to a mike linebacker before transferring to Arkansas where had an outstanding 2022 season. 30 – Kansas City Chiefs – Jalin Hyatt, Wide Receiver, Tennessee The Chiefs traded away their big play threat when they sent Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins last spring. Their offense didn’t exactly “miss a beat” but the mid-season trade for Kadarius Toney suggests to me they’d like to bring that cheat code style speed back into the building. Hyatt isn’t a first round talent for most teams but in the Hill role in the Chiefs offense I think he could be. 31 – Philadelphia Eagles – Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa I am not sure where Van Ness will go and the consensus on him is a bit all over the place. He is a typical Iowa “big end”. I think he has a bit more natural explosion than someone like AJ Epenesa coming into the NFL but he has the same room for further development in terms of pass rush moves. That said, he sort of fits the profile of a Howie Roseman defensive lineman. Tough, powerful, and relentless hustle. Feels like a natural replacement for Brandon Graham who may be heading for retirement. - - - ROUND 2 - - - 32 – Pittsburgh Steelers – Deonte Banks, Cornerback, Maryland The Steelers have a need at corner with Cam Sutton a pending free agent. Ahkello Witherspoon and Levi Wallace are serviceable placeholders but they are not the long term answer. Deonte Banks has the right mix of zone and man coverage skills for the Steelers’ hybrid scheme. 33 – Houston Texans – Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, Notre Dame The Texans starting edge players last year were Ogbonnia Okoronkwo who is a free agent and Jerry Hughes who will be 35 by the time the 2023 season begins. They desperately need some youth at the position and Foskey, while raw, has a high ceiling as a 4-3 pass rusher. 34 – Arizona Cardinals – O’Cyrus Torrence, Guard, Florida The Cardinals have seven pending free agents across the offensive line, including both starting guards. Torrence would be a day 1 starter at either spot. 35 – Indianapolis Colts – Josh Downs, Wide Receiver, North Carolina The Colts added Alec Pierce at receiver in the second round last year and he had an okay rookie year as the #2 to Michael Pittman. Downs would be another solid addition to that room with the ability to operate from the slot for whoever the next Colts Quarterback might be. 36 – Los Angeles Rams – Cam Phillips III, Cornerback, Utah The Rams could go in almost in any direction with this pick. Their roster is getting close to the re-set point. Cam Phillips is one of my favourite payers in the class and his performance against Jordan Addison last season suggests to me he can, despite his size, play on the boundary even though he may be best at nickel. 37 – Seattle Seahawks – Ika Siaka, Defensive Tackle, Baylor The Seahawks run defense was pretty porous in 2022, so much so that I considered giving them the massive Siaka with their second first round pick to plug the gap at 1 tech. If he gets to this spot he makes too much sense to pass. 38 – Las Vegas Raiders – Jahmyr Gibbs, Running Back, Alabama The Raiders might yet decide to bring back Josh Jacobs, but if they don’t they need a running back. Josh McDaniels has always had a power run element to his offenses even when Tom Brady was his Quarterback so maybe he replaces one Alabama prospect with another? 39 – Carolina Panthers – Jordan Battle, Safety, Alabama The Panthers roster is actually pretty solid aside from Quarterback, but with Jeremy Chinn now playing as more of a big nickel they could stand to upgrade at safety. Battle is an aggressive player in coverage with a reasonable amount of scheme versatility. 40 – New Orleans Saints – Zay Flowers, Wide Receiver, Boston College The Saints made a start to the overhaul of their receiving room last year when they selected Chris Olave who had a cracking rookie year. Flowers can operate from the slot or as a move receiver on the outside and would replace the free agent Jarvis Landry. 41 – Tennessee Titans – Kayshon Boutte, Wide Receiver, LSU And here comes the run on receivers. The Titans needed help at receiver before they traded away AJ Brown. Treylon Burks had some injury issues as a rookie but came on down the stretch and is talented. Boutte looked like a superstar as a freshman and hasn’t quite hit the heights since but the raw ability is there. 42 – Cleveland Browns – John Michael Schmitz, Center, Minnesota The Browns got fantastic value out of Ethan Pocic on a 1 year contract at center in 2022. However, he played so well that he is likely to cash in during free agency and with Bitonio, Teller and Conklin all on big deals Cleveland probably can’t drop more money on the offensive line. Schmitz is easily the best center in the class and would give them solid cheap labour. 43 – New York Jets – Noah Sewell, Linebacker, Oregon The Jets have two starting linebackers about to hit free agency and the other, CJ Mosely, is about to turn 31. Sewell has a certain amount of positional flexibility but I think probably plays the strong side in Robert Saleh’s defense as a rookie before sliding into the middle when Mosely moves on. 44 – Atlanta Falcons – Tuili Tuipolotu, Defensive Tackle, USC Back to back picks spent on the defensive front for the Falcons as they go with Tuipolotu to compliment Myles Murphy and provide some interior pass rush. He would be their starting 5 tech on day 1 and has the versatility to kick outside in 4 man fronts. 45 – Green Bay Packers – Christopher Smith, Safety, Georgia The Green Bay Packers spend more day 1 and 2 picks on defensive backs than any team in the league over the past decade (9 in 10 years). With Adrian Amos an impending free agent, don’t be surprised if they make that 10 in 11. 46 – New England Patriots – Dawand Jones, Offensive Tackle, Ohio State Isaiah Wynn has become another draft bust in New England after a promising start to his career and they will be looking for a starting tackle. My pro comp for Dawand Jones is actually Trent Brown who will start for the Pats on the blind side. Huge man, bit raw, but with potential. 47 – Washington Commanders – Cody Mauch, Offensive Tackle, North Dakota State The Commanders need help up front, especially with expiring contracts at guard. A lot of people believe Mauch, a road grading mauler of a college left tackle, will be best suited to guard in the NFL given length concerns. 48 – Detroit Lions – Darnell Washington, Tight End, Georgia The Lions traded away TJ Hockenson for a 2nd round pick (not this one but pick #55) and they may well look for his replacement in this round. Washington strikes me as more of a Dan Campbell type player than Hockenson. Tough, physical blocker and a reliable if unspectacular pass catcher. 49 – Pittsburgh Steelers – Nathaniel Dell, Wide Receiver, Houston I know what people will say, “the Steelers don’t need another receiver!” But their model is to take them on day 2 or early day 4 almost every year. Dell is small and projects as strictly slot only at the next level but Pittsburgh were willing to take Calvin Austin with a similar profile in the 4th last year. 50 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers – DJ Turner, Cornerback, Michigan The Buccs have multiple pending free agents in the defensive backfield and not much cap room to address them. That includes starting nickel corner Logan Ryan who is not expected to return so DJ Turner might be an immediate replacement. 51 – Seattle Seahawks – Jack Campbell, Linebacker, Iowa Seattle didn’t replace Bobby Wagner last year, but they get the opportunity to do so here. Campbell is a bit of a throwback in the respect of being a physical tone setter in the middle of the field but he would be a good compliment for Jordyn Brooks' skillset. 52 – Miami Dolphins – Luke Musgrave, Tight End, Oregon State Mike Gesicki played on the franchise tag last year but he has always been a poor scheme fit for what Mike McDaniel wants to do offensively. Musgrave is much more that sort of player. Able to provide inline blocking and while he doesn’t have a lot of college production as a receiving threat, not did George Kittle. He has the upside to be a weapon in this offense. 53 – Los Angeles Chargers – Emmanuel Forbes, Cornerback, Mississippi State The Jaguars’ comeback in the wildcard playoff round demonstrated the issues that still exist in Brandon Staley’s defense. Forbes is raw, but he is the type of aggressive ball hawking corner that the Chargers coach loves. He could be a difference maker. 54 – Chicago Bears – Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia When making their decision at #1 overall between a defensive tackle and a defensive end the overall depth of the relative classes will play a part. Nolan Smith is good value here and would provide an immediate upgrade to their pass rush. 55 – Detroit Lions – Derick Hall, EDGE, Auburn Now the run on the next tier of edge rushers is on. On the face of it the Lions are well stocked here with Aiden Hutchinson, Charles Harris and Josh Paschal. But Hall has a really intriguing skill set and a high ceiling and could play on the edge or in the stand up rush linebacker role the Lions used James Houston for in 2022. 56 – Jacksonville Jaguars – Cedric Tillman, Wide Receiver, Tennessee The Jaguars had success with free agents Zay Jones and Christian Kirk in 2022, but Marvin Jones is now out of contract and Tillman is the kind of vertical threat receiver which would round out this set of offensive weapons for Trevor Lawrence. 57 – New York Giants – Joe Tippmann, Center, Wisconsin The Giants are in an awkward spot again. In both rounds they end up right at the drop off in tiers of receiver hits. Therefore, maybe they further reinforce the offensive line with Joe Tippmann who some shrewd evaluators really like. 58 – Dallas Cowboys – Felix Anudike-Uzomah, EDGE, Kansas State Dallas might also be disappointed to miss out on the second round run on receivers, but they do also have a need opposite Dexter Lawrence on the defensive line. Anudike-Uzomah is raw but he actually reminds me of a younger version of Lawrence and will add some explosion to the pass rush. 59 – Buffalo Bills – Andrew Vorhees, Guard, USC Having addressed offensive weaponry in round 1, the Bills come back and address offensive line in round 2. People seem all over the map on Vorhees. Some think he is a borderline 1st rounder, others see him as a late day 2 pick. I think he is a fit for the Bills on the basis that his pass pro is better than his run blocking. 60 – Cincinnati Bengals – JL Skinner, Safety, Boise State Both of Cincinnati’s starting safeties are free agents. They did draft Daxton Hill in the first round last spring, but he is more a free safety coverage type. Skinner can play in the box, is aggressive and hits hard. 61 – Carolina Panthers – Zach Charbonnet, Running Back, UCLA The Panthers earned this pick through trading away Christian McCaffrey. They may well spend it on replacing him. Charbonnet is a powerful runner and a decent pass catcher out of the backfield too. 62 – Kansas City – Darnell Wright, Offensive Tackle, Tennessee The one position that seems to have been in constant flux since the Chiefs started this run is left tackle. Who knows what they do with Orlando Brown this offseason, but Wright has experience at both left and right tackle in college. He might take some time can but can end up a quality starter. 63 – Philadelphia Eagles – Matthew Bergeron, Offensive Tackle, Syracuse The Eagles have some offensive line decisions pending. Jason Kelce will almost certainly retire, which probably means Landon Dickerson sliding into center and Isaac Seumalo is a free agent. Add that to question marks around how long Lane Johnson can play and a versatile guy like Bergeron would hold some attraction. Okay TBD.... flame away!!! No WR's will catch anything if Josh Allen is on the sidelines injured, I say enough messing around and in this scenario I'd 100% go OG O'Cyrus Torrence Florida, I'd also come back in the 2nd and take OG Andrew Vorhees USC. I know Torrence is a more dominant run blocker but he's also no slouch in the pass game either and that's up to Kromer to teach him how to be more dominant at both, I'd also come back in the 3rd and select a RT maybe someone like Dawand Jones Ohio State or Ryan Hayes Michigan who both would be solid options, I wouldn't mess around any longer along the O-Line. 3 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 7, 2023 Author Posted February 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Who is DJ? And what are the concerns? Daniel Jeremiah. I think the big one is that he plays smaller than his size. A lot of body catches which for a guy 6'4 is disappointing. Doesn't use his size to play above the rim. And then, in addition, I think his route running is sloppy, particularly coming in and out of breaks. I loved him on the highlights. Liked him less the more I watched. I still have him as a late 1st but I want to see some more film. 1 Quote
billieve420 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Pete said: If value isn’t there at 27, I hope Beane trades back for more top 100 picks Would love to get added value by trading down to the top of the 2nd and having one of the top 3 picks on day 2. Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 16, 2023 Author Posted April 16, 2023 Okay here is version 2.0..... post free-agency some pieces have moved. I normally try and throw a trade or two in this one but struggled to find trades I liked enough to make happen. Anyway... flame away!!! 1. Carolina Panthers – Bryce Young, Quarterback, Alabama I don’t buy that the Panthers moved up to #1 before they had made a decision on a Quarterback. You don’t make that trade thinking you “might” like one of two guys, you make that move up when you have identified a Quarterback who can be the face of the franchise. I believe Bryce Young is the best in the class, and I suspect that is where Carolina has landed. 2. Houston Texans – CJ Stroud, Quarterback, Ohio State If Young is off the board I don’t think it is an absolute lock that the Texans go Quarterback. If someone wanted to trade up and give them a boatload of picks I think they’d listen, but ultimately I suspect they end up deciding that this is the last of their years drafting in the top 5 and so need to take a shot on Stroud as the man to execute their new Shanahan style offense. 3. Arizona Cardinals – Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama This is also a prime trade up spot if a team wants to jump Indianapolis for a Quarterback, but from the rumours I’m hearing the Cardinals want one of Anderson or Tyree Wilson and are not willing to move back so far that both are out of reach. Anderson is the safer of the two and I expect him to be the first non-QB off the board if Arizona stays at #3. 4. Indianapolis Colts – Anthony Richardson, Quarterback, Florida In version 1.0 I had Will Levis at this spot but that was before the Colts hired Shane Steichen as their head coach. Having seen the success he had in Philadelphia coordinating a multiple offense with a dual threat Quarterback they might feel comfortable swinging for the fences on the raw potential of Anthony Richardson. 5. Seattle Seahawks – Jalen Carter, Defensive Tackle, Georgia I have never bought the “Carter sliding out of the top 10” buzz. I get the character concerns but this draft just isn’t strong enough to let a player of his talent slide. Pete Carroll has never shied away from taking on talented guys with off-field baggage and they have a huge need on their defensive interior. 6. Detroit Lions – Devon Witherspoon, Corner, Illinois The trading away of Jeff Okudah makes it even more likely that the Lions are targeting the best corner in the class at #6. From what I read who that is depends on which team you ask with Witherspoon, Gonzalez and Porter all being ranked #1 on some boards. But the rumour mill is attaching Witherspoon to the Lions most frequently so he is the pick. 7. Las Vegas Raiders – Peter Skoronski, Offensive Tackle, Northwestern In the event that the Raiders don’t go Quarterback they are in prime position to address needs on the offensive line or at corner. Knowing that they are hitching their wagon to the injury prone Jimmy Garoppolo at Quarterback I expect protection is the order of the day at #7, especially as the cornerback depth in round 2 is stronger than the offensive line depth. Skoronski could start immediately at right tackle or inside at guard. 8. Atlanta Falcons – Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech The Falcons pass rush has been a disaster for a while now. I thought they should have addressed it in the top 10 last year when they reached for Drake London, they can’t ignore it again. Wilson is a freak and he reminds me of Marcus Davenport who the Saints traded way up to acquire when new Falcons defensive coordinator Ryan Nielsen was their defensive line coach. 9. Chicago Bears – Paris Johnson Jnr, Offensive Tackle, Ohio State The Bears could happily trade back from #1 to #9 because they have needs basically everywhere. Johnson is the best tackle in this class and plugging him in at left tackle in front of former Buckeyes teammate Justin Fields as the Quarterback heads into a critical year 3 is a major upgrade on the blindside. 10. Philadelphia Eagles – Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa The Eagles don’t have a lot of immediate needs but they do have a future need at edge. Former first round pick Derek Barnett is a free agent after this coming season, Brandon Graham is about to turn 36 and Josh Sweat is a nice player but not a true #1 rusher. Van Ness is more potential than production at this stage but he feels like a fit both in terms of physical profile and character. 11. Tennessee Titans – Broderick Jones, Offensive Tackle, Georgia The Titans are either going offensive line or wide receiver at this spot. I know they signed Andre Dillard as a free agent but he has been a career backup despite being a former first round pick of the Eagles and he can play inside at guard too. If the chance to land one of the premier tackles presents itself that is the direction I think they should go. 12. Houston Texans – Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Wide Receiver, Ohio State The current consensus is moving towards Smith-Njigba being the first receiver drafted and that is understandable. In a draft class with very few sure things he has a high floor and at the very least should be a productive player from the slot. I’m sure the Texans would love to use him as a move receiver lining up all over the formation in their new offense. 13. New York Jets – Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson The Jets edge position has already seen a ton of resources during the Robert Salah era but whether it has been injuries, disappointing production, or clunky scheme fits they still haven’t nailed it. When Saleh was in San Francisco they continued to pour resources into the defensive line until they got it right and with the offensive line guys off the board that is what I could see the Jets doing. 14. New England Patriots – Zay Flowers, Wide Receiver, Boston College Part of me thinks Bill Belichick is just trolling us all but I am going to take the bait with regards to the Patriots love affair with Flowers. Allegedly they spent his top 30 visit teaching him the entire offense, he does have quick twitch acceleration which is a need, and he comes from a non-football powerhouse school in the north-east. A lot of the pieces fit. 15. Green Bay Packers – Brian Branch, Safety, Alabama Someone who is quite plugged into Green Bay told me recently that if Skoronski is still on the board he is the Packers’ guy. The bad news for them is I don’t think he will be. I do think Tight End is in play here but Dalton Kincaid isn’t a complete tight end, doesn’t block and as such doesn’t really fit their offense. When in doubt with the Packers pick a defensive back and they do have a hole at safety that Branch could fill. 16. Washington Commanders – Will Levis, Quarterback, Kentucky Maybe the Commanders really will go into a season with Sam Howell as their starter, but new ownership usually brings pressure to find a Quarterback and if Levis has slid this far I can imagine Washington feeling as though they have to take him. 17. Pittsburgh Steelers – Christian Gonzalez, Cornerback, Oregon Personally I have Gonzalez as the best corner in the class and he would be incredible value here for the Steelers. I think their priority is left tackle, but there isn’t one left at this spot and as such I think they would prioritise the premium positional need at corner over a right tackle only like Darnell Wright. Gonzalez starts opposite Patrick Peterson day 1. 18. Detroit Lions – Bijan Robinson, Running Back, Texas This is the first spot that really makes sense for me for Bijan unless the Eagles take him at #10. A running back, even one as good as him, is a first round luxury but for a team with two first round picks it could be justified especially as the Lions lost their power back Jamaal Williams to the Saints in free agency. 19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Darnell Wright, Offensive Tackle, Tennessee The Buccs cut their left tackle Donovan Smith earlier in the offseason and their preference seems to be to move all pro right tackle Tristan Wirfs to the blindside. That would leave a gap at right tackle and Wright could slide straight in and start in front of Baker Mayfield. 20. Seattle Seahawks – O’Cyrus Torrence, Guard, Florida Seattle hit a home run at offensive tackle last year with Charles Cross and Abraham Lucas. Adding Torrence at guard would give them one of the better lines in the NFL and he is a scheme fit for the way they want to run the ball up the middle with Kenneth Walker. 21. Los Angeles Chargers – Quentin Johnston, Wide Receiver, TCU Keenan Allen has been a stalwart for the Chargers but he turns 31 on day one of the draft and missed time hurt in 2022. Mike Williams is an almost certain cap casualty (or major re-negotiation) after the season as his 2024 cap number is $32m. This team needs to look to the future at receiver. Tom Telesco has a type at the position – he values size – so Johnston is the obvious fit. 22. Baltimore Ravens – Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia With OBJ in the building and Lamar increasingly looking like he could still be on the roster come draft day I think an edge rusher becomes the priority for the Ravens. 2021 first rounder Odafe Oweh flashed as a rookie in a situational role but recorded just 3 sacks last season despite 6 starts. Smith is a bit of a project technique wise but he is an impressive physical specimen. 23. Minnesota Vikings – Joey Porter Jnr, Cornerback, Penn State This is sprint to the podium time for the Vikings who probably couldn’t imagine one of the top three corners sliding this far. Patrick Peterson left in free agency, Cam Dantzler was cut and their gamble on Andrew Booth in the second round last year despite questionable medicals didn’t immediately work out as he managed just 6 games and ended up on IR. Porter starts day 1. 24. Jacksonville Jaguars – Deonte Banks, Cornerback, Maryland The Jaguars are another team glad to see the corners fall down the board a little. 2nd year player Tyson Campbell had a breakout season in 2022 but the corner spot opposite him was a weakness all year. If the offense keeps scoring then teams will be passing a lot on Jacksonville. Having two capable corners is a must. 25. New York Giants – Jordan Addison, Wide Receiver, USC The Giants are bringing back Daniel Jones and Saquan Barkley, but receiver remains a need. Addison’s best fit is in a creative offense that is going to move him around the formation and exploit mismatches. Brian Daboll and Mike Kafka are the perfect duo to exploit his skillset. 26. Dallas Cowboys – Dalton Kincaid, Tight End, Utah If Kincaid gets to #26 he will get no further. Dalton Schultz left the Cowboys in free agency and while Jake Ferguson had his moments as a rookie he is an athletically limited day 3 draft pick going into year 2. Kincaid, in contrast, is a genuine weapon in the passing game for a team committed to putting more around CeeDee Lamb and Dak Prescott. 27. Buffalo Bills – Jalin Hyatt, Wide Receiver, Tennessee I think with this board the Bills would be very open to moving down, the question is would anyone want to move up? If they don’t I’d lean towards receiver as the pick even though Hyatt is arguably a bit of a reach. The Bills have had a lot of receivers, including Hyatt, in for top 30 visits and that is usually a strong indicator of where this regime are at in terms of positional priority. 28. Cincinnati Bengals – Michael Mayer, Tight End, Notre Dame I think defensive back is definitely in play for the Bengals here, they lost both starting safeties in free agency and didn’t bring Eli Apple back at corner. But they did draft Daxton Hill in the first round last year and the depth of the class at corner might lead them to think they can wait on that spot. They also lost Hayden Hurst in free agency so a tight end that blocks and can be a safety valve in the passing game for Joe Burrow might be too good to pass on. 29. New Orleans Saints – Mazi Smith, Defensive Tackle, Michigan The Saints were not the strongest at defensive tackle in 2022, and that is before they lost both starters in free agency to teams within their division. Mazi Smith is already proven as a space eater but he still feels like he has untapped potential as a penetrator given his physical profile. He’d be an immediate starter. 30. Philadelphia Eagles – Jahmyr Gibbs, Running Back, Alabama The Eagles lost Miles Sanders to the Panthers in free agency and while they have dependable backup options such as Kenneth Gainwell, Boston Scott and Rashaad Penny I’m not sure any of those strike fear into opposing defenses. To maximise the RPO threat of Jalen Hurts I feel they need a dynamic runner and could use their second first round pick to secure one. 31. Kansas City Chiefs – Felix Anudike-Uzomah, EDGE, Kansas State Frank Clark hadn’t lived up to his contract the past two seasons, but he contributed for Chiefs in the playoffs and his departure means they are thin at edge. They drafted Karlaftis last year and he had six sacks as a rookie but they need a more dynamic fast twitch threat and Anudike-Uzomah from just up the road at Kansas State has explosive burst and bend to hunt down Quarterbacks. 2 5 15 Quote
DJB Posted April 16, 2023 Posted April 16, 2023 Great mock! However the Bills are in such a bad spot for this draft. Too late as all the best WR and OT are all likely gone. It’s way too early to go LB as well. I doubt Robinson is there as well I’ll be very disappointed with Hyatt if that’s the way we go round 1. 4 1 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted April 16, 2023 Posted April 16, 2023 I like the reasoning that comes with a lot of your picks but even though this is a deep corner class if Joey Porter Jr slides to Ravens he’s the pick. I also understand the reasoning for Bills taking a WR but I would be sick to my stomach if we took Hyatt first round. He just doesn’t do it for me as a first round talent. He’s fast and is good at the deep ball but doesn’t run routes well and doesn’t feel like a first round talent. You’re right that trading down would have to be on their mind at that point with all the first round grades being gone and a lot of O line and WR prospects with 2nd round grades remaining Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 16, 2023 Posted April 16, 2023 Thanks for doing these Bill, you are top dog level with this stuff. If I'm the Bills I could literally flip a coin over Hyatt or Mayer. Both would help and add new dimensions. Quote
NeverOutNick Posted April 16, 2023 Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Thanks for doing these Bill, you are top dog level with this stuff. If I'm the Bills I could literally flip a coin over Hyatt or Mayer. Both would help and add new dimensions. I’d for sure be fine with Mayer here if the board fell like this. Then round 2 and 3 get the O line and WR. Goes against the grain on what Buffalo has done in the McBeane era but man let’s make this draft about Josh and the offense. Can still pick up some LB and DT depth later and we know LBs can be had post draft on a one year deal if needed. Plus like I said before for all the pro LB folk, Rapp is going to be used in a hybrid LB/S roll. I have a feeling McDermott is going to be creative here and yes thank you Gunner! You’re awesome at this stuff Edited April 16, 2023 by NeverOutNick Thanks Gunner 2 Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 16, 2023 Posted April 16, 2023 Plausible rationale offered throughout. I don't think any of the explanations come across as strained. If the draft plays out this way, I would be pretty unhappy if the Bills didn't find a way to trade up for either Addison or Kincaid, the latter being my preference as I think he has the potential to be a dangerous weapon. Hyatt is really a second rounder which is often the case late first round. Do better Beane. Quote
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