K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Tiberius said: So he will destroy the economy, then. That's what you want? Illegals are a huge and very important part of our economy, and they make their own lives better, too. Why would you want these people treated like animals and run out of our country where they are making us stronger, more prosperous and diverse? ILLEGAL immigrants are good for the economy? That's a new one. LEGAL immigrants are awesome for this country and we need more of those after we do full background checks and ensure they have skills that will lead to a successful life in America. We don't need criminals and drug runners coming across bringing more crime with them. 1 1
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: ILLEGAL immigrants are good for the economy? That's a new one. LEGAL immigrants are awesome for this country and we need more of those after we do full background checks and ensure they have skills that will lead to a successful life in America. We don't need criminals and drug runners coming across bringing more crime with them. Totally! https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/27/economy-immigration-border-biden/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/02/23/immigrants-make-economies-more-dynamic-increase-employment-growth/?sh=1587e825427c https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2022/12/the-contributions-of-immigrants-are-essential-to-u-s-economic-growth-and-competitiveness It's really just common sense, especially if you understand basic economics Trump is trying to harm the American economy by scapegoating immigrants 1
K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 38 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Totally! https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/27/economy-immigration-border-biden/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/02/23/immigrants-make-economies-more-dynamic-increase-employment-growth/?sh=1587e825427c https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2022/12/the-contributions-of-immigrants-are-essential-to-u-s-economic-growth-and-competitiveness It's really just common sense, especially if you understand basic economics Trump is trying to harm the American economy by scapegoating immigrants As far as I know he is talking about exporting ILLEGALS only. I would be very much in favor of drastically opening up LEGAL immigration as well. Add whatever resources they can to speed up the process and do this the right way.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: It currently makes me a Proud Boy apparently. Because I don't trust the people in power and the non-stop corruption in Washington, which is how every American should feel. Every single politician is a multimilionaire while making a 150k per year salary. How are they not in jail? They work for us, not the other way around. "I don't work for you" - Joe Biden Election finance reform and term limits are the answers. wanting them is not anti establishment imo. To me, that term connotes the desire for more fundamental changes to our government and society. 1
K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Election finance reform and term limits are the answers. wanting them is not anti establishment imo. To me, that term connotes the desire for more fundamental changes to our government and society. Ok understood. By that I mean to say I want changes to government that were not intended or have become corrupt. Common sense changes such as term limits, lobbying, insider trading, eradication of the "deep state" or the "swamp" essentially
K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 I would also like to see more than 2 parties. That's too much "us vs them" and concentrated power. Currently if you vote 3rd party you might as well stay home. I'd like to see 5-6 less powerful parties. 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Nope but he's the only one going against the socialists that has a chance to win and policy wise I'm very much aligned with his views. He will stop the illegal immigration and deport the criminals who snuck in, he will end all wars, he will put America first and fix the economy and crazy spending. And then in 4 years get someone who is not a nut job on either side Yeah you're lost, you fell for bs. Name some Socialists in power. There are none. Name someone pushing socialist policies, there's nobody. 1 1
K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Yeah you're lost, you fell for bs. Name some Socialists in power. There are none. Name someone pushing socialist policies, there's nobody. So my tax money didn't pay off people's student loans or give debit cards and hotels to illegal immigrants? I wish that were true
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 17 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Yeah you're lost, you fell for bs. Name some Socialists in power. There are none. Name someone pushing socialist policies, there's nobody. I could make a good argument Liz Warren is a socialist. Members of "The Squad" in the House. Bernie Sanders. And without making a judgment about whether its good or bad policy, I could name policies such as wealth confiscation and income re-distribution as socialist dogma. Whether its of good value to society, Social Security Medicare, and Medicaid taxes force workers to pay a tax that redistributes funds to retirees and low income people. Or for that matter, any government interference in the lives of private citizens that legalizes the transfer of benefits without cost to one group at the expense or at consequence to another group that derives no benefit. While I don't want to do the homework necessary to identify the specific people responsible for those things, those are socialist and therefore they could be considered socialists. Edited March 28 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I could make a good argument Liz Warren is a socialist. Members of "The Squad" in the House. Bernie Sanders. And without making a judgment about whether its good or bad policy, I could name policies such as wealth confiscation and income re-distribution as socialist dogma. Whether its of good value to society, Medicare and Medicaid force workers to pay a tax that redistributes funds to retirees and low income people. Or for that matter, any government interference in the lives of private citizens that legalizes the transfer of benefits without cost to one group at the expense or at consequence to another group that derives no benefit. While I don't want to do the homework necessary to identify the specific people responsible for those things, those are socialist and therefore they could be considered socialists. Are you against progressive income taxation? Without it, wealth would be much more concentrated than it already is. With wealth comes power which would also be more concentrated I would certainly have more money. But I think it’s necessary to avoid having 5% very rich and everyone else poor.
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ok? It's like cracks the commercial real estate bubble Edited March 28 by Tommy Callahan
sherpa Posted March 28 Posted March 28 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: We also need to shut down CIA. That was a war time creation and it was never meant to exist during peace times. I'm against shadow government and non-elected officials having any power whatsoever. Absolutely crazy suggestion. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 minute ago, sherpa said: Absolutely crazy suggestion. Ok. Then it needs to go back to it's mandate of only working outside the borders. 1
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 17 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: It's like cracks the commercial real estate bubble Well, capitalism has this creative destruction thing, always has 1
sherpa Posted March 28 Posted March 28 7 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Ok. Then it needs to go back to it's mandate of only working outside the borders. There are adjustments that could be made, and I'm not sure how much is done inside the borders. But......The inability of the FBI, internal, and CIA, external, to be able to coordinate is exactly what led to 9/11. The redesign of the intel universe in the US was absolutely necessary with a changing threat. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: There are adjustments that could be made, and I'm not sure how much is done inside the borders. But......The inability of the FBI, internal, and CIA, external, to be able to coordinate is exactly what led to 9/11. The redesign of the intel universe in the US was absolutely necessary with a changing threat. I'm not a fan of the dhs either. It's my opinion. They shouldn't be active on us soil. From JFK to flooding LA with crack. 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Well, capitalism has this creative destruction thing, always has So??? What's a better economic system. And when huge state and federal spending drive the sector. It's not capitalistic. Edited March 28 by Tommy Callahan
Tiberius Posted March 28 Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: I'm not a fan of the dhs either. It's my opinion. They shouldn't be active on us soil. From JFK to flooding LA with crack. So??? What's a better economic system. And when huge state and federal spending drive the sector. It's not capitalistic. Using the bond market to increase prosperity sure is capitalism. If you don't have the bond market for CITIZENS to invest their money, you know what the governmnet has to do? Raise taxes! No thanks
K D Posted March 28 Posted March 28 25 minutes ago, sherpa said: Absolutely crazy suggestion. It's broken. From the creator himself: https://youtu.be/mUc9T0qkO1A?si=Dejyld0BBHcJfvPc 1 1
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