Im convinced its coaching (Chiefs showing how to handle Bengals)

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

One of the biggest differences when you watch the regular season and post season the last few years is the liberal CB play, where they are allowed to make alot more contact.

 

Except for our games, where we still play off the WRs for some reason. Frazier needs to take advantage of this next year and coach the secondary to be geared towards the trend. It's low hanging fruit when you're allowed to push and grab the whole way down the field. But if you don't do it, it's a huge disadvantage.

 

That would require a more physical, attacking style defense.  Playoffs are big boy football.  We’ve gotten pushed around 4 straight years to end our season.  

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I understand there’s blood in the water but the main conversation leading up to the playoffs was our secondary. I beg you to go back and watch the Vikings game. Even with a pass rush and press coverage the DBs couldn’t defend. 

 

We have this conversation a lot and I always come back to the players . You know why 13 seconds happened? Because the play before the defensive call was to play press man and make KC beat them. Tyreek Hill goes house.

 

So do they coach scared at times? Yes! it’s because the players tend to come up short when asked to make a play.

Then you have two on him.....  They blew it plain and simple.  

[BillsFanSD]

30 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There are two ways to win in the NFL:

1.  Have more talent than your opponent

2.  Have a better gameplan than your opponent

3. Have the officials bail you out when you need a helping hand.

[Billsfan1972]

29 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There are two ways to win in the NFL:

1.  Have more talent than your opponent

2.  Have a better gameplan than your opponent

 

The problem the Bills have is very simple... They always rely on #1.

 

Our coaching staff is great at teaching fundamentals.  Preparation.  Knowing your assignment.  Being in the right place on the field.  The scheme is pretty basic and doesn't change much from week-to-week, season-to-season.  Their philosophy is that if the team executes at a high level and avoids mistakes, they should walk out of the game with a victory.  That strategy has worked pretty well over the course of a 17-game season, because the Bills do have a pretty talented roster. 

 

But once you hit the playoffs, the talent gap shrinks.  The Bills don't have a significantly more talented roster than Kansas City or Cincinnati.  Even our superstar quarterback really gives us no advantage over the other team.  We can't just line up on the ball and execute.  At that point, we MUST use specific strategies to attack our opponent's tendencies and weaknesses.

 

You could see it clearly yesterday.  The Chiefs did everything in their power to confuse and overwhelm the Bengals inexperienced O-Line.  They jammed the receivers, to make sure Joe Burrow didn't have quick/easy throws and HAD to stand in the pocket.  It didn't completely shut him down, but it did enough to kill several drives and help them win the game.  The Bills (of course) just lined up 4 rushers most of the game, asked them to beat the guy across from them in 2 seconds, and then gave a 10 yard cushion to the receivers.

 

So what we can expect in 2023 is a 12-5 season (probably at worst) and a loss in the second round if lucky, and then again no changes?

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

3. Have the officials bail you out when you need a helping hand.

It was a penalty no if ands or buts.    Doesn't hurt though.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

25 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not a common occurrence … We have an elite QB and the team is, and should be judged, by the Playoffs. 
 

This team, assembled by Beane, and coached by McDermott, has been an abject disaster in big moments. 
 

Houston, fine, whatever.  I won’t kill McDermott for that game, but it was a collapse. 
 

KC (1) We weren’t on their level.  Completely outplayed.  Able to accept that as a learning curve on what it takes to win a game like that.  
 

KC (2) 13 seconds… an iconic display of poor coaching/execution 

 

CIN Blown out. Not even competitive. 
 

….Coaches have been fired for less.  He should 100% be on the hot seat this year.   Another loss to end the season like these past two years and I don’t know why we’d think being the one high level team with a Defensive HC is something we should continue with.  

You’re not thinking straight, pure emotion.

 

List examples of coaches fired after 2 divisional round losses. McDermott hasn’t even missed the playoffs in Allen’s prime. They’ve won 3 straight division titles. List your coaching changes.

 

The seat hasn’t even begun to warm up for McDermott. Losing divisional round playoff games isn’t going to get you fired. Maybe if loses 3 straight the seat starts to warm up. 

Maybe a DC change but again, the issue is beating KC. Now beating Cincinnati also. They definitely need defensive changes, but I still think it’s mostly a player problem:

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

You do know they won because of a personal foul with like 25 seconds left in the 4th.  IMO they never should have thrown the flag as they decided the game with it.  So your headline is wrong, the Chiefs escaped, at home, against the Bengals. They didn’t show anything on how to handle them! 

They played the game with a QB hopping around on 1 leg lol, same injury that had Mac Jones screaming crying down the tunnel and out for a few weeks. 

 

Mahomes was two strides OB it was a bone head play by Ossai. So dumb and rightfully a penalty. Rules are rules, tuck rule decided that Raiders Patriots game back in the day but it was the correct call because that's the rule. You don't ignore rules out of sympathy or because it decided the gane, the player decided the game trying to take a cheap shot at an injured player. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Then you have two on him.....  They blew it plain and simple.  

They did have safety help when Hill went house. That’s the thing. 

 

 

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

agreed, i'm screaming that KC is doing everything that i screamed we should have been doing last week.

 

We are doomed with the McDermott/Frazier defensive philosophy/the money we spent oin the D and the non existent offensive philosophy/the lack of talent acroos the board on O and no money to improve.

 

how can we be so far over the cap and have needs everywhere. who are all these sh!tty players sucking up cap? (rhetorical question, i know i can google it and name our center, middle linebacker, half the D line, half the o line and all our special team specialists who don't matter when push comes to shove but all make $5MM plus )  

We are paying huge dollars for the following folks:

Allen, Diggs, Morse, Saffold, Dawkins, Knox, Hines 

Miller, Milano, White, Oliver, Poyer, Hyde, Jones

High priced ST players (comparatively) 

We need our Rookies and Sophomores to pan out next season.  We need to draft a WR, OL, CB and Safety.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The 38 and 42 point games came when we didn't have Von Miller. The 20 came when we did. Unfortunately, his injury turned us back into the team without Von Miller.

 

We didn't have Von Miller last year and they scored 20 points in the same year they scored 42 in the playoffs.

[JohnNord]

13 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Dont want to get a ban for comparing our team to the teams playing in the GDT so I am putting it here.  Im totally convinced its coaching.  KC its killing that Oline.  Their players arent better than ours.  Jones is a beast but really nobodies outside of that.  The difference is how they actually play the receivers tight and not 10 yards off and back up at the snap.  Burrow cant throw quick because it aint there for free.

 

Same story on offense. Allen may not be Mahomes but he is elite.  Their offensive design and coaching is second to none.  I feel like Dorsey is just backyard football.  A lot of people say "Josh wont take the underneath stuff."  I believe he would if he was coached to and the plays were designed to.  

There’s not doubt the defensive game plan could have been better but  I would disagree that KC’s players aren’t better than Buffalo - at least not on the defensive line.  
 

Chris Jones is an All Pro and at worst one of the top 5 Defensive Lineman in the NFL…if not #1.  Not only does he command a double team but he can be moved to DE to exploit the tackles.  

 

The Bills were without DaQuan Jones who was a huge loss because while he isn’t Jones, he too commands a double team.  Ed Oliver has shown that he’ll flash but he’s not a game wrecker.  
 

On the outside KC has a vet like Frank Clark who has dropped off but still can rush better off the edge than anyone on Buffalo (sans Miller).  Even a rookie like George Karlafatis is better than most edge rushers with the exception of Rousseau.  
 

In the secondary, I’d say the corners are pretty even though the tandem of Reid and Thornhill is probably better than a banged up Poyer and Dean Marlowe
 

As far as the offensive game plan… I agree that it wasn’t scheme well at all.   A big part of the problem had to do with how poor the OL was.  This is why I’m more concerned with Dorsey on offense than I am with defense.  
 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, ganesh said:

We are paying huge dollars for the following folks:

Allen, Diggs, Morse, Saffold, Dawkins, Knox, Hines 

Miller, Milano, White, Oliver, Poyer, Hyde, Jones

High priced ST players (comparatively) 

We need our Rookies and Sophomores to pan out next season.  We need to draft a WR, OL, CB and Safety.

McDermott and Frazier will have to make do with the DBs. Maybe a cheaper than Poyer veteran safety added. Attempt to upgrade the DL.

 

It’s time to move on from Morse for cap reasons. He can still play but it’s time. Either draft a rookie center or slide Bates to center and draft a rookie OG. Maybe even draft 2 interior OL in the 1st 3 rounds with the expectation they will play a lot as rookies.

 

Draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd. I would also attempt to sign/trade for a veteran WR. 
 

So my goals this offseason are 2 interior OL added high in the draft. A WR added high in the draft. A significant defensive lineman added through trade or UFA. Not a huge name but someone that can start, similar to DaQuan Jones or better. And a veteran WR added that can start. 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 hours ago, 4th&long said:

The bills D scheme is tired and has been figured out a long time ago. 

I've been saying this since the Houston game. We're never winning a SB with these clowns. If you're satisfied with Schottenheimer football then enjoy. 

[PatsFanNH]

18 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

They played the game with a QB hopping around on 1 leg lol, same injury that had Mac Jones screaming crying down the tunnel and out for a few weeks. 

 

Mahomes was two strides OB it was a bone head play by Ossai. So dumb and rightfully a penalty. Rules are rules, tuck rule decided that Raiders Patriots game back in the day but it was the correct call because that's the rule. You don't ignore rules out of sympathy or because it decided the gane, the player decided the game trying to take a cheap shot at an injured player. 

Ugh! The Tuck rule is not a penalty(face palm) and a judgement call but a rule that on replay had be called. He pushed him and the n real time it was a close play and it added insult to injury.. again IMO it shouldn’t have been thrown, it was a push not a tackle.. 

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They did have safety help when Hill went house. That’s the thing. 

 

 

Jamming him on the line?  No here it is.  

 

 

Looks like 1 on 1.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Jamming him on the line?  No here it is.  

 

 

Looks like 1 on 1.

 

 

The safeties are over top.

[JerseyBills]

14 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Dont want to get a ban for comparing our team to the teams playing in the GDT so I am putting it here.  Im totally convinced its coaching.  KC its killing that Oline.  Their players arent better than ours.  Jones is a beast but really nobodies outside of that.  The difference is how they actually play the receivers tight and not 10 yards off and back up at the snap.  Burrow cant throw quick because it aint there for free.

 

Same story on offense. Allen may not be Mahomes but he is elite.  Their offensive design and coaching is second to none.  I feel like Dorsey is just backyard football.  A lot of people say "Josh wont take the underneath stuff."  I believe he would if he was coached to and the plays were designed to.  

Watching Mahomes rarely throw more than 10 yards all year and watching our offensive philosophy is infuriating.  It was the same with Dabol, I feel Dorsey just adopted that offensive philosophy and put his own stamp on it. 

 

We were still great in many categories because of 17 but man I'd love to see him with an elite play caller. I think he'd be MVP damn near every year. Mixing in dink n dunking in his gm and the os philosophy is a must. 

 

Frank Clark is also pretty elite. But I agree that their DL talent is fairly equal. They caused havoc and turnovers. It was sad to see really in comparison to our guys. Also watching them completely shut down Mixon who ran all over us was infuriating 

Edited January 30, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The safeties are over top.

And now watch how far off they were with 13 seconds.  Sorry inexcusable.  Watch at 44 seconds.....  Don't want to make people sick to their stomachs as to the rest.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And now watch how far off they were with 13 seconds.  Sorry inexcusable.  Watch at 44 seconds.....  Don't want to make people sick to their stomachs as to the rest.

 

 

 

Yes we know. It is inexcusable.

[JerseyBills]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ugh! The Tuck rule is not a penalty(face palm) and a judgement call but a rule that on replay had be called. He pushed him and the n real time it was a close play and it added insult to injury.. again IMO it shouldn’t have been thrown, it was a push not a tackle.. 

In that situation,  I hated the flag. I think intent is important and it wasn't malicious,  he was just flying to Mahomes. Technically it was a penalty but I do find it absurd that a referee handed them 15 yards after 59+ min of play and a SB on the line. I'd be heated if that happened to us. 

10 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And now watch how far off they were with 13 seconds.  Sorry inexcusable.  Watch at 44 seconds.....  Don't want to make people sick to their stomachs as to the rest.

 

 

 

Never seen this breakdown.  Beyond infuriating and completely inexcusable.  Unreal 

[Billsfan1972]

15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

In that situation,  I hated the flag. I think intent is important and it wasn't malicious,  he was just flying to Mahomes. Technically it was a penalty but I do find it absurd that a referee handed them 15 yards after 59+ min of play and a SB on the line. I'd be heated if that happened to us. 

Never seen this breakdown.  Beyond infuriating and completely inexcusable.  Unreal 

Didn't McD call a timeout prior to setting up that wonderful D?

 

Remember he is a defensive genius.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Billsfan1972
Oops bad wording