Is Spencer Brown our long-term RT?

[Success]

I had (and still have) very high hopes for Brown, but he didn't break out this season like we had hoped.  I don't know enough about offensive line play to make a good judgment on the question in the OP.

 

For the guys who have a better understanding on that stuff - does he get a pass on '22 because of the injury?  Can he be part of a revamped & stronger line?  Or is this a position Beane has to look at filling this offseason or next?

[Freddie's Dead]

No.

[Negan]

If he is, Allen will be on the Andrew Luck trajectory and out of the league soon.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Negan

[Arkady Renko]

If I recall correctly last year we acted like our success depended on Spencer Brown being in the lineup.  I thought Kromer was going to do a much better job of getting the best out of talent.  

Edited January 29, 2023 by Arkady Renko

[Don Otreply]

At present, no, should he improve appropriately, could very well be. Beane needs to get three above average O-line talents this off season, fingers crossed that this happens, 

[TheBeaneBandit]

If he has an injury free offseason with full training and coaching from one of the online (Joe Staley ) gurus....I say....YES.

[HOUSE]

Its  a lot more then playing RT, you team up with the RG and sometimes the center, don't blame everything on Brown. Its been years of experimentation, you need continuity 

If you want continuity,  stop playing musical offensive lineman....

Is he a long term answer, undecided 

Edited January 29, 2023 by HOUSE

[Simon Says]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

At present, no, should he improve appropriately, could very well be. Beane needs to get three above average O-line talents this off season, fingers crossed that this happens, 

Which 3 positions?

There won't be much cap money to spend and Beane wont use his top 3 picks on OLinemen. How will he add 3 "above average Oline talents"?

Saffold should be gone and I could get on board with picking a guard  in the 1st if the value is there.

[frostbitmic]

If there is a worthy Tackle available in the 2nd round (after they pick a DE in the first) Brown's starting job is in jeopardy.

Edited January 29, 2023 by frostbitmic

[finn]

My fear is that Beane will assume he's good enough, again. He said he would bring in competition, but if he has players like Quessenberry and Tenuka in mind, we can kiss another season goodbye. 

 

I had a pleasant daydream that Beane trades a first-round pick, McKenzie, Davis, and Epenesa for Tristan Wirfs.

 

Sigh. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I think he is. I think patience is the key when it comes to a really good athlete who is very long and played a low level of football. I keep using Mike McGlinchey as an example. The difference is that he went to Notre Dame and had a more polished game. He really struggled and finally put it together, though he still gets beat sometimes and is probably their worst linemen. He is going to get paid. 
 

Who are you replacing Brown with? Are you going to use a premium pick on a guy to play RT? Meh. A guy who may not be as good as Brown? In free agency? Well

we won’t have the cap space to sign a McGlinchey or McGary.
 

McGary is another guy, long and lean and a great athlete. He was so bad his first 3 years that the Falcons turned down his 5th year option, and he finally put it together year 4, and he’s going to laugh all the way to the bank. 
 

Brown will pull it together. He has a nasty disposition and a great mentality and motor. I really feel patience is the key with him, but they should bring in some sort of competition. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[John from Riverside]

This is a to be determined for me
 

They need to bring in real competition at that position and if Spencer when’s the job then that means he has elevated his play. If not, then he can back up the positions as far as I’m concerned.

[GunnerBill]

I am not dumping him. But I think they have to have some form of competition for him in camp and it has to be a proper open competition where they play the best guy.

[Einstein]

I just hope we have a quality backup option in case he doesnt make the jump that Beane seems to think he's going to make.

[Rico]

7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think he is. I think patience is the key when it comes to a really good athlete who is very long and played a low level of football. I keep using Mike McGlinchey as an example. The difference is that he went to Notre Dame and had a more polished game. He really struggled and finally put it together, though he still gets beat sometimes and is probably their worst linemen. He is going to get paid. 
 

Who are you replacing Brown with? Are you going to use a premium pick on a guy to play RT? Meh. A guy who may not be as good as Brown? In free agency? Well

we won’t have the cap space to sign a McGlinchey or McGary.
 

McGary is another guy, long and lean and a great athlete. He was so bad his first 3 years that the Falcons turned down his 5th year option, and he finally put it together year 4, and he’s going to laugh all the way to the bank. 
 

Brown will pull it together. He has a nasty disposition and a great mentality and motor. I really feel patience is the key with him, but they should bring in some sort of competition. 

Yes, he does have that attitude so desperately needed on the OL and team. I hope he can stay healthy and improve.

[Don Otreply]

11 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Which 3 positions?

There won't be much cap money to spend and Beane wont use his top 3 picks on OLinemen. How will he add 3 "above average Oline talents"?

Saffold should be gone and I could get on board with picking a guard  in the 1st if the value is there.

Yup, it won’t be easy, but That’s why Beane makes the big bucks, it’s up to him to make the right acquisitions. 

[JMM]

Attitude, motor and bulk mean little when you are a turnstile in PP in the NFL. Period. The Bills cannot ASSUME  he will get there, they MUST draft or sign a RT. Healthy or not he has shown he is vulnerable to edge rushers for two years now. Sundays performance was pathetic as was the Fins playoff game. Although quite tall, he may be able to make the transition to a G, otherwise I see him as a backup swing tackle. I hope he proves me wrong.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think he is. I think patience is the key when it comes to a really good athlete who is very long and played a low level of football. I keep using Mike McGlinchey as an example. The difference is that he went to Notre Dame and had a more polished game. He really struggled and finally put it together, though he still gets beat sometimes and is probably their worst linemen. He is going to get paid. 
 

Who are you replacing Brown with? Are you going to use a premium pick on a guy to play RT? Meh. A guy who may not be as good as Brown? In free agency? Well

we won’t have the cap space to sign a McGlinchey or McGary.
 

McGary is another guy, long and lean and a great athlete. He was so bad his first 3 years that the Falcons turned down his 5th year option, and he finally put it together year 4, and he’s going to laugh all the way to the bank. 
 

Brown will pull it together. He has a nasty disposition and a great mentality and motor. I really feel patience is the key with him, but they should bring in some sort of competition. 

 

 

Agree completely.    With few exceptions most offensive lineman are a liability until year 3.......some, like the McGary example, take 4 years to get there.

 

The people who think that the Bills can just throw 3 early draft picks at the offensive line and fix it immediately next season are delusional.

 

The reality is that the Bills aren't likely to be able to be active in free agency for top offensive lineman and Dawkins and Morse are likely to continue to regress.

 

So we are probably in for another underwhelming display of offensive line play next season even if they hit an absolute HR and draft 2-3 future good NFL starters.

 

In the meantime they will have to get more out of what they have and scheme to their strengths and around their deficiencies more efficiently (like most teams have to, there are few good offensive lines in the NFL).

 

 

[BillsFanSD]

Spencer Brown should be competing for a starting job next year.  Emphasis on "competing."  

 

I'd be perfectly comfortable with Brown as a backup tackle.

[akcash]

I think Beane laid it out pretty good in his press conference and I do agree I think he played better in the second half of the year.

 

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