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[John from Riverside]

 

[Motorin']

It's not that the Bills couldn't run the ball against the Bengals. It's that they  refused to run the ball against the Bengals. 

 

Motor has 6 carries for 25 yards, 4.2 per carry. 

 

The Bengals stay in base nickel against heavy set packages, and the Bills could have run the ball down their throat until they pulled Hendrickson and added a 3rd LB. Which is when Josh would have been able to throw deep.

 

But it's almost like they watched Burrow take 5 to 10 yards every play and said to themselves the only way they could keep up is to throw bombs.

 

When in fact the only way they could have kept us is by taking 4-5 yards per play and moving the sticks all day. Like they did against the Rams and the Titans, until the deep shots opened up. 

 

Their motto wasn't "humble and hungry" it was "stubborn and hard headed."

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Motorin'

[BillMafia716ix]

It’s been the same story for 3 years now. The Bills don’t run the ball and they can’t get to the QB. And it’s not like the Bills can’t run it. They just refuse too. Their whole approach on offense needs to change

11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

It's not that the Bills couldn't run the ball against the Bengals. It's that they  refused to run the ball against the Bengals. 

 

Motor has 6 carries for 25 yards, 4.2 per carry. 

 

The Bengals stay in base nickel against heavy set packages, and the Bills could have run the ball down their throat until they pulled Hendrickson and added a 3rd LB. Which is when Josh would have been able to throw deep.

 

But it's almost like they watched Burrow take 5 to 10 yards every play and said to themselves the only way they could keep up is to throw bombs.

 

When in fact the only way they could have kept us is by taking 4-5 yards per play and moving the sticks all day. Like they did against the Rams and the Titans, until the deep shots opened up. 

 

Their motto wasn't "humble and hungry" it was "stubborn and hard headed."

 

They’ve wasted Motor’s entire career here. He has career average of 4.6 yards and doesn’t see the ball nearly enough. We don’t allow our backs to get into any kind of rhythm. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Until McD completely upgrades the OL once & for all (6 yrs), you will continue to see Josh pressured or running for his life.  You will continue to see the already mediocre run game abandoned. And of course 9 drop Gabe needs to move to WR3 permanently as we hopefully draft WR2?

    Defensively without Von, the 3 boys are basically worthless. Groot doesn't get 8 sacks and AJ 6 without Von. Without a killer pass rush the Tampa 2 zone completely falls apart. 

[GETTOTHE50]

louis is dead on.

 

its easier to draft solid offensive lineman than any other position. draft them early this year beane, like first round and second round early.

 

for the defensive line, go and pay daron payne to pair next to settle/daquon. i love phillips but the injuries have crept up to him. dont resign oliver next year.

 

id love to see a defensive line of Von-Payne-Settle/Daquon-and Groot out there.

 

last, but not least, let edmunds go and get drue tranquill from the chargers who will be cheaper and more effective. drue hits harder, has better instincts, and can actually blitz.

 

dont resign poyer or singletary, and draft a safety & wide receiver. somewhere in rounds 3-5.

Edited January 27, 2023 by GETTOTHE50

[dave mcbride]

Pretty grim stat cited by Riddick: in the remaining games after Miller went down, not one Bill defensive lineman finished in the top 40 among DL in pass rush win rates.

[2003Contenders]

One of the great myths of the Cinci game is that the Bills went crazy trying to throw the ball downfield and did not even try the run or implement underneath routes.

 

All season long the short passing game was an extension of their run game, and that happened last Sunday too. For example, both scoring drives were loaded with short gains, which is why both drives seemingly took FOREVER to complete (one of them ending with just a field goal).

 

The real issue is that the Bengals got plenty of YAC on their plays, whereas the Bills got very little. Quite simply the Bengals were more physical at the point of attack and executed much better than the Bills did.

[colin]

1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:

One of the great myths of the Cinci game is that the Bills went crazy trying to throw the ball downfield and did not even try the run or implement underneath routes.

 

All season long the short passing game was an extension of their run game, and that happened last Sunday too. For example, both scoring drives were loaded with short gains, which is why both drives seemingly took FOREVER to complete (one of them ending with just a field goal).

 

The real issue is that the Bengals got plenty of YAC on their plays, whereas the Bills got very little. Quite simply the Bengals were more physical at the point of attack and executed much better than the Bills did.

 

not every having wheels and screens going to the RB and TE positions effectively, and the fact the our 2 and 3 wrs are cheeks most of the time is the reason for this imo.

 

riddick is clearly onto something tho, which si why im all for dumping edmunds and poyer and so on.  we need passrush and blocking

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

One of the great myths of the Cinci game is that the Bills went crazy trying to throw the ball downfield and did not even try the run or implement underneath routes.

 

All season long the short passing game was an extension of their run game, and that happened last Sunday too. For example, both scoring drives were loaded with short gains, which is why both drives seemingly took FOREVER to complete (one of them ending with just a field goal).

 

The real issue is that the Bengals got plenty of YAC on their plays, whereas the Bills got very little. Quite simply the Bengals were more physical at the point of attack and executed much better than the Bills did.

 

The Bengals ran the ball 28 times w/ their RB's for 140 yards.

 

The Bills ran 11 times for 38 yards... Cook was clearly ineffective on the slippery field, whereas he had gashed the Bengals on the one drive...

 

But Motor could have helped keep us in the game...

 

The point is, the two drives that the Bills did score on they mixed in the run. And all the rest of the drives looked like the Bills against the Jaguars, passing 95% of the time with little to no success. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Motorin'

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

2 first round picks and 2 second round picks on the DL and we're 43rd in win rate? That's not alarming!

[RG Murdock]

Sadly, the Bills cake is already baked. The 4 D-Lineman Beane drafted in the 1st and 2nd round, are either stiffs (Epenesa - Basham), or not reliable disrupters (Oliver - Rousseau). A team just doesn't get away with such horrible picks, at the top of the draft over 3 years. Now the Bills are supposed to just "Find" some better players, with no money to spend? I don't see a quick way out. The O-Line is just as bad. Josh is single handedly keeping this team afloat! People must realize, McDermott and Beane didn't want to rely on Allen so much in 2022. They realized after a few games, that they had no choice!! The bills are who Beane made them to be. Now ONLY time, and brilliant drafting can save them. And given Beane's recent history (The last 3 years), I'm not betting on it. The Bills look to be a wildcard team for the next few years.        

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I definitely think the lack of production on the offensive line is part of the reason why they don’t run the ball very much. They think their only real chance is to drop back and let Josh be Josh. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by The Firebaugh Kid

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, RG Murdock said:

Sadly, the Bills cake is already baked. The 4 D-Lineman Beane drafted in the 1st and 2nd round, are either stiffs (Epenesa - Basham), or not reliable disrupters (Oliver - Rousseau). A team just doesn't get away with such horrible picks, at the top of the draft over 3 years. Now the Bills are supposed to just "Find" some better players, with no money to spend? I don't see a quick way out. The O-Line is just as bad. Josh is single handedly keeping this team afloat! People must realize, McDermott and Beane didn't want to rely on Allen so much in 2022. They realized after a few games, that they had no choice!! The bills are who Beane made them to be. Now ONLY time, and brilliant drafting can save them. And given Beane's recent history (The last 3 years), I'm not betting on it. The Bills look to be a wildcard team for the next few years.        

Does the red stand for troll?

[Dr.Sack]

When a team plays base Nickel you have to pound them into submission. We ran zero heavy personnel with 6 OL vs Bengals. We could have really turned the game into a slug fest instead we decided to play long ball and got nowhere fast. Spotting any team in the NFL 14 is a recipe for disaster. 

[Awwufelloff]

Speed guys are tough. Beane tried to find Von in espanesa and basham. Vons a once in a decade player. 

[DCbillsfan]

8 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

Sadly, the Bills cake is already baked. The 4 D-Lineman Beane drafted in the 1st and 2nd round, are either stiffs (Epenesa - Basham), or not reliable disrupters (Oliver - Rousseau). A team just doesn't get away with such horrible picks, at the top of the draft over 3 years. Now the Bills are supposed to just "Find" some better players, with no money to spend? I don't see a quick way out. The O-Line is just as bad. Josh is single handedly keeping this team afloat! People must realize, McDermott and Beane didn't want to rely on Allen so much in 2022. They realized after a few games, that they had no choice!! The bills are who Beane made them to be. Now ONLY time, and brilliant drafting can save them. And given Beane's recent history (The last 3 years), I'm not betting on it. The Bills look to be a wildcard team for the next few years.        

Not sure about the wildcard comment but pretty much agree with everything else.  Draft a WR and 2 OL guys early.  Draft a safety and move Benford to safety.  Like it or not I think they're re-signing Edmunds.  Would like to see them sign a free agent LG who's legit starter.  If they strengthen oline it could hide some of their defensive deficiencies.

[97bills]

17 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

It’s been the same story for 3 years now. The Bills don’t run the ball and they can’t get to the QB. And it’s not like the Bills can’t run it. They just refuse too. Their whole approach on offense needs to change

They’ve wasted Motor’s entire career here. He has career average of 4.6 yards and doesn’t see the ball nearly enough. We don’t allow our backs to get into any kind of rhythm. 

And I bet motor can’t wait to leave, 

[NoSaint]

18 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 

you know how to write a subject and fill in content for a post, John 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Riddick is just another "meh" talking head.

 

The Bills got beat by one of the league's worst running offenses.

 

In the NFL of today, when you have an elite QB if the pass isn't setting up the run then you aren't doing it right.

 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The Bills got beat by one of the league's worst running offenses.

 

In the NFL of today, when you have an elite QB if the pass isn't setting up the run then you aren't doing it right.

 

 

Yeah, that's true. As a general rule. But the thing about the Bengals game is that the weather, poor footing and the defensive alignment meant the run game and high percentage underneath pass game would give the offense an advantage. 

 

Instead we relied in low percentage passes and refused to run... But the Bengals didn't. One of the worst running teams in the league put up 172 yards on the ground, compared to 240 yards through the air.

 

Josh actually threw for more yards then Burrow, but couldn't keep drives moving. 

 

The Bengals moved the sticks on the ground and schemed up high percentage passes all day.