Should we trade Ed Oliver?

[TheFunPolice]

20 hours ago, iinii said:

Fi true! I remember him tying up three guys once while on one knee. True definition of a BEAST!

 

Ted Washington is an absolute legend, and pretty much my ideal DT.

 

Having him was like parking a car in the middle of the DL. He couldn't be moved. 

[GreggTX]

I actually saw a Bears podcast where they asked about trading the #9 pick for Oliver. I know they aren't that foolish though. I'd be all for that move!

 

[nosejob]

4 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I actually saw a Bears podcast where they asked about trading the #9 pick for Oliver. I know they aren't that foolish though. I'd be all for that move!

 

Yeah I don't see that however, here are some targets to shoot for in a trade:

 

Bears Rd. 2  53/61  Rd. 4. 103/133  Rd. 5 136/148  They also have 2 7ths.

 

Texans Rd. 3 65/73  They also have 3 6ths

 

Lions Rd. 2   48/55  ( which would put us ahead of the Steelers 3rd pick.) They also have 2 6ths

 

Since it's highly doubtful they keep Ed after this year, Now (or draft day) is the time to move him and get the greatest return. I say now. Get the ammo to get Hopkins and Patrick Queen from the Ravens. One could be had for a mid rd. pick and a conditional pick next year and the other could be had with a mid rd.

 

The trade for Queen being a draft day deal if LB quickly becomes slim pickins.

 

Something needs to happen. We at least have to get Hopkins and we can get his cap hit under 5 mil. this yr.

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by nosejob

[Riverboat Ritchie]

4 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I actually saw a Bears podcast where they asked about trading the #9 pick for Oliver. I know they aren't that foolish though. I'd be all for that move!

 

I bet it is Oliver and swapping picks. I think that would work. Then use our second for Hopkins. 

[Chaos]

On 3/23/2023 at 3:33 AM, GunnerBill said:

You shouldn't "get nothing" though if you keep Ed a year. He will get a good free agent contract and you will get a pick back. Unless of course you ruin that with a load of mid tier FAs who mean nothing.

If you "get nothing" but unload 10 mm of salary cap, hypothectically that space might be better utilized in 2023.  Is 10.7 million of cap space in 2023 more or less valuable than a third round 2024 or 2025 third round comp pick. 

[Billz4ever]

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I actually saw a Bears podcast where they asked about trading the #9 pick for Oliver. I know they aren't that foolish though. I'd be all for that move!

 

We took him at #9 and at the time, he was actually rated at a high first round pick.

 

If 4 drafts later, the Bears would voluntarily give up the #9 pick to get him after seeing his production since being drafted, they should start mandatory drug testing of GMs.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Chaos]

@GunnerBill what are you disagreeing with? It is a question. 

42 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Is 10.7 million of cap space in 2023 more or less valuable than a third round 2024 or 2025 third round comp pick

 

 

[Nephilim17]

52 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If you "get nothing" but unload 10 mm of salary cap, hypothectically that space might be better utilized in 2023.  Is 10.7 million of cap space in 2023 more or less valuable than a third round 2024 or 2025 third round comp pick. 

It's not $10.7 million after you factor in his replacement.

Who replaces Ed and how much does he cost? If you can get the same production from a $5 million player, you save $5 million. But I'm not sure we can.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

It's not $10.7 million after you factor in his replacement.

Who replaces Ed and how much does he cost? If you can get the same production from a $5 million player, you save $5 million. But I'm not sure we can.

That is exactly my question. What is optimal? If Oliver at 10.7 makes the team the best it can be with that money, then you don't trade him for nothing. If an replacement is available for $3 million and you can you 7.7 million to sign Bobby Wagner, then maybe trading Oliver for nothing would work. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

It's not $10.7 million after you factor in his replacement.

Who replaces Ed and how much does he cost? If you can get the same production from a $5 million player, you save $5 million. But I'm not sure we can.

Why do we need “same” production?

 

Id be perfectly fine if we sign Calais Campbell and then draft a guy on Day 2.  
 

Jones - Campbell - Settle - Benton (?)

 

Especially if they truly are contemplating going with Bernard at MLB.   Put big bodies in front of him. 

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

That is exactly my question. What is optimal? If Oliver at 10.7 makes the team the best it can be with that money, then you don't trade him for nothing. If an replacement is available for $3 million and you can you 7.7 million to sign Bobby Wagner, then maybe trading Oliver for nothing would work. 

If the team really likes someone in the draft they think will be there, say, in the fourth round, I can see this working — though assuming a player you like in the draft will be there when he's "value" is always a risk. 

I get that more money to spend somewhere else helps, like MLB, but the interior D-line is vital; who do you like in free agency that can reasonably do most of what Ed does at a lower cost?

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why do we need “same” production?

 

Id be perfectly fine if we sign Calais Campbell and then draft a guy on Day 2.  
 

Jones - Campbell - Settle - Benton (?)

 

Especially if they truly are contemplating going with Bernard at MLB.   Put big bodies in front of him. 

Well, I think we need close to the same production because the QBs we struggle with can unload the ball in a hurry and inside pressure may be the best way to get to them.

How much did Campbell play DT (versus DE) recently? If he can fill in middle and do a good job for $2 million, sure. 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

If the team really likes someone in the draft they think will be there, say, in the fourth round, I can see this working — though assuming a player you like in the draft will be there when he's "value" is always a risk. 

I get that more money to spend somewhere else helps, like MLB, but the interior D-line is vital; who do you like in free agency that can reasonably do most of what Ed does at a lower cost?

Well, I think we need close to the same production because the QBs we struggle with can unload the ball in a hurry and inside pressure may be the best way to get to them.

How much did Campbell play DT (versus DE) recently? If he can fill in middle and do a good job for $2 million, sure. 

Everything I’ve heard says Campbell would be a DT for us.  Im not sure what he’s done recently, except that he can still play at a decent level. 
 

I hear what you’re saying about quick interior pressure, but Oliver doesn’t even give us that … certainly not consistently or in big moments. 

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Chaos said:

@GunnerBill what are you disagreeing with? It is a question. 

 

 

I have already answered that question in the thread. 

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have already answered that question in the thread. 

You answered the question "what are you disagreeing with?"?

[3rdand12]

50 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why do we need “same” production?

 

Id be perfectly fine if we sign Calais Campbell and then draft a guy on Day 2.  
 

Jones - Campbell - Settle - Benton (?)

 

Especially if they truly are contemplating going with Bernard at MLB.   Put big bodies in front of him. 

Good post. Saw they are looking at the OLD MAN Calais
 If he can do what Jones and Settle did in the middle? we might be okay
Buts its a change in method for Bills
One I like though.
Immovable objects are MLB best friend  

43 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Everything I’ve heard says Campbell would be a DT for us.  Im not sure what he’s done recently, except that he can still play at a decent level. 
 

I hear what you’re saying about quick interior pressure, but Oliver doesn’t even give us that … certainly not consistently or in big moments. 

just know what the passing lanes are and when to get a hand up.
Big guys should and can do that

Edited March 25, 2023 by 3rdand12

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

You answered the question "what are you disagreeing with?"?

 

No I was disagreeing with the concept. I get it you posed it as a question. I didn't respond directly to the question because my view on that is elsewhere in the thread. 

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I was disagreeing with the concept. I get it you posed it as a question. I didn't respond directly to the question because my view on that is elsewhere in the thread. 

Honestly this makes no sense to me. I don't think you answered the question anywhere of whether 10.7 million of cap space is worth more than a 2025 third round comp pick in any direct way.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Honestly this makes no sense to me. I don't think you answered the question anywhere of whether 10.7 million of cap space is worth more than a 2025 third round comp pick in any direct way.

 

I did. 

[Solomon Grundy]

On 3/24/2023 at 11:31 AM, TheFunPolice said:

 

Ted Washington is an absolute legend, and pretty much my ideal DT.

 

Having him was like parking a car in the middle of the DL. He couldn't be moved. 

Pat Williams and Sam Adams were beasts also