safety

[dbfla10]

We all know there are ways around the cap, and the Bills need to figure it out and spend.  CJ Gardner Johnson should be #1 on their list of FA. Obviously let Poyer walk, and get younger (possibly better) with Johnson.

[The Jokeman]

20 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

We all know there are ways around the cap, and the Bills need to figure it out and spend.  CJ Gardner Johnson should be #1 on their list of FA. Obviously let Poyer walk, and get younger (possibly better) with Johnson.

I think Benford is going to get a shot at FS if Poyer leaves and we might also draft a kid in the top 4 Rounds to compete. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by The Jokeman

[RocCityRoller]

I agree S is a need. Mentioned it during and leading to draft last year during a very deep S class.

 

While I don't disagree with the basis of your point, I'd rather spend very limited cap space on known difference makers at positions like WR/ Pass rusher (who is not Methusala) and draft OL/S/RB/CB. Doesn't mean not drafting the other positions, but get known quantities at WR/Edge. This regime does do well with developing DBs if they can play.

 

Hassan Reddick was available for 3/$45 million. Young, proven record of pass rushing. Ironically one of the few former Panthers we didn't get 🤣

Some good mid tier WR (#2 types) became available throughout last season. Claypool/ JuJu etc. Maybe a Brandin Cooks or that type is available this year.

 

Andre Cisco (S- Jax) was taken in the 3rd round 2021 and was establishing himself as an enforcer by the end of the season (2nd season)

[Shaw66]

Hyde and Taron Johnson at safety.  Bedford to slit corner.

[ngbills]

Antonio Johnson in 2nd if he drops. 1st round has to be OL or WR. 

[whorlnut]

I can’t believe we are talking about another DB with yet another top pick after we watched Allen running for his life and throwing to replacement players (beside Diggs) all season. 

[Brandon]

I think I'd rather just bring back Poyer on a one or two year deal if possible and try to kick the can down the road one more year.  Sign Marlowe for at or around the minimum and draft one in R4 or 5. If the draft pick looks like a flop,  address it next year with a higher investment. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Brandon

[somnus00]

Benford. McD and Butler are great at developing DBs. Hyde and Poyer were both former CBs who were moved to safety. Siran may also be moved to safety. They took a look at him there in training camp last year.

[Matt_In_NH]

45 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

We all know there are ways around the cap, and the Bills need to figure it out and spend.  CJ Gardner Johnson should be #1 on their list of FA. Obviously let Poyer walk, and get younger (possibly better) with Johnson.

The ways around the cap it take more from future years than has already been spent which for the Bills is a lot.   It is not an endless pit of free cap space.   Tough decisions will be made this offseason, now is when you will see the effects.   IMO they are better off getting the cap in a little better spot to have something spend in a future year.  People think the Saints worked some kind of magic potion but the reality is partly how they got out of their jam is by cutting guys they wanted and using void years.   10-15% of their cap in 2024 and 2025 does not exist because it has already been allocated to guys no longer on their team.

[JMM]

33 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Hyde and Taron Johnson at safety.  Bedford to slit corner.

Interesting thought. But if they continue the current D with Frazier(please noooo), then Taron is too valuable as the slot corner. Benford makes more sense at safety as McDermott discussed .

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

Benford. McD and Butler are great at developing DBs. Hyde and Poyer were both former CBs who were moved to safety. Siran may also be moved to safety. They took a look at him there in training camp last year.

Siran is a horrible DB, personally if he wasn't a gunner on ST I doubt he'd be in the league. 

[somnus00]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Siran is a horrible DB, personally if he wasn't a gunner on ST I doubt he'd be in the league. 

My comment was meant to be predictive. I'm not saying I want Siran at safety.

[RocCityRoller]

38 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I can’t believe we are talking about another DB with yet another top pick after we watched Allen running for his life and throwing to replacement players (beside Diggs) all season. 

This is why I mentioned a S taken in the 3rd. Can find difference makers at S in the 3-4 rounds. One does need to be drafted.

 

Any FA money should be WR/ OL and then double down high up in the draft

[TheyCallMeAndy]

54 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Hyde and Taron Johnson at safety.  Bedford to slit corner.

That’s what I’ve been saying, Johnson will be an elite SS. 

[Success]

I like the idea of converting Benford, and getting Marlowe back for depth.  Maybe a mid-rounder too.

 

Poyer is one of my favorite Bills - but he's on the wrong side of 30, and will cost too much.  This is a business.

 

I'm hoping Hamlin plays too, if his health allows & it's safe. He is great depth.

 

[RocCityRoller]

24 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The ways around the cap it take more from future years than has already been spent which for the Bills is a lot.   It is not an endless pit of free cap space.   Tough decisions will be made this offseason, now is when you will see the effects.   IMO they are better off getting the cap in a little better spot to have something spend in a future year.  People think the Saints worked some kind of magic potion but the reality is partly how they got out of their jam is by cutting guys they wanted and using void years.   10-15% of their cap in 2024 and 2025 does not exist because it has already been allocated to guys no longer on their team.

Agreed. part of the tight cap situation this offseason is voidable years chewing up space.

 

As for restructuring to make space, a lot of that was done last offseason. That is how Buffalo got under the cap and were able to sign Von Miller.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

This is why I mentioned a S taken in the 3rd. Can find difference makers at S in the 3-4 rounds. One does need to be drafted.

 

Any FA money should be WR/ OL and then double down high up in the draft

We could also go S on day 3. This is part of the problem with this staff. They like to take rotational players too early. If they nab Benford and Hyde as the starting safeties next year, then it would be beyond stupid to take a safety before day 3, if at all. 

[Sargent Hulka]

I wonder if Terrel Bernard could get a look at safety? Light for a LB, I think with the mobility to close and size, at safety, as well as put a good lick on a receiver, and he's big enough to cover a TE.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Sargent Hulka

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I think Benford is going to get a shot at FS if Hyde leaves and we might also draft a kid in the top 4 Rounds to compete. 

 

Why would Hyde leave? Maybe Benford can bulk up and play SS. Safety is pretty interchangeable in this system anyway.

[Flipnmi]

15 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Why would Hyde leave? Maybe Benford can bulk up and play SS. Safety is pretty interchangeable in this system anyway.

Benford is already 6'0" & 205 lbs, which is bigger than both Hyde & Poyer, so no need to bulk up for the position. I have felt for weeks that this is plan A for Safety next year since he had experience at the position in college and we need to start getting younger there given Hyde & Poyer's age.