Beane End of Year Presser

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm with you 100% there, but Beane didn't give me any warm and fuzzies the way he was talking about Gabe today.  Seems like they're still of the opinion Gabe is going to start acting like a true #2 any day now.

 

I mean...he could absolutely get better. He could stay stagnant or simply be who he is. An inconsistent player who will have some big games and some big catches but will lose focus during the year as well. We could do worse than 830 yards and 7 TDs, but we could also improve on it...

 

Perhaps they think he can improve at focusing better throughout the season as it was his first shot at a larger role on offense.

 

That being said...I think we need a more dynamic player at that position. Gabe is fantastic as a deep threat and catching the ball along the sidelines, but he doesn't get separation. I say he plays as a #3 next year and then gets replaced the following season. Even if he starts as the #2 but then starts ceding playing time to the rookie as the year goes on as he gets more comfortable role, I would be fine with that.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Big Turk

[CNYfan]

Let's see what happens.  I believe much will depend on Von and Tre's recovery; James #28 progress, and finding a dynamic player or 2 in the draft.  

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

That’s where I’m at

 

if things don’t change…idk how you can have a different result

 

they won’t do it but nothing McDermott does gives me hope he can coach this team and steer them to a championship

 

yes great season winning percentage - awesome

 

still the laughing stock and choke artists we have always been

 

cinci or KC lose another Super Bowl May make me feel better - but fact remains we are behind now

 

 

 

I’m tempted to agree with you l but the defense generally levels up when he takes over play calling. 
 

I think McD is the CEO of all of this. If he doesn’t move on from some combination of Beane, Frazier, or Dorsey and things get rough he’ll lose the team. 
 

No matter how good a coach is, once he loses the roster it is really difficult to get back. 

[coloradobillsfan]

2 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Let's see what happens.  I believe much will depend on Von and Tre's recovery; James #28 progress, and finding a dynamic player or 2 in the draft.  

We need to make a decision on Frazier and Dorsey soon though.  If they are out, now is the time to start looking for replacements

[TFBillsfan]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

I think you are going to be very disappointed next year.

The Bills are setup to take a step back in 2023, and hopefully reload for another Super Bowl in 2-3 years.

 

With the salary cap, we have a choice to either gut the defense this year OR address the issues on offense.  They probably can't keep both Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer, and even keeping one will make it very difficult to fix the O-Line and receiver room.  Von Miller will be lucky to return by mid-season, and may not return to his old self.  Until that point, we get the D-Line we saw on Sunday (yuck).  

 

Teams can only stay competitive for long periods of time with good drafting.  Our last three draft classes have been well below average, which means we don't have players ready to step into key roles when veteran free agents leave.  

 

Yeah, we still have Josh Allen.  But the surrounding team is going to be inferior to other AFC rosters.  And with the possible QBs that will be available this offseason (Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Derek Carr), it's very possible the Jets/Patriots find a way to narrow that gap in our division too.

 

We can agree to disagree but the Bills will still be favorites to win the AFCE and compete for the top seed.  The vast majority of their games they will be favored to win. Maybe they lose more than 3 games by 8 points next year but there isn’t a game on their schedule they can’t win.  Yes the gap may narrow, but no one said winning a SB is easy. Sure it maybe more difficult next year but if healthy they can go toe to toe with anyone.

 

Yes the Bills played  poorly against Cinncy. I think it had a lot to do with how horrible the game plan that the coaching staff employed. Dorsey got schooled by an experienced DC and Fraziers bend but don’t break scheme against Cinncy in bad weather conditions is beyond defensible. 
 

 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brings me to this point: 

 

- Philosophy on drafting WRs later in the draft.  "We got Stef Diggs in the 1st Round."   No philosophy, if Jamar Chase was there we'd take him in a minute.

 

You passed on DK Metcalf when this team desperately needed a receiver.  

 

Metcalf is just as inconsistent as Davis is.

[Nephilim17]

Beane acknowledged they were over the cap but more than once said they would try to be "creative" to create room — while not being $100 million over in future years. That's good.

 

I did NOT take away that Davis was penciled in as the number 2 starter at all. And after all the nice things he said about Brown he said the starting job was open to competion.

 

Beane was trying to be nice and acknowledge the contributions of players but admitted jobs were up in the air. He said he wouldn't hesitate to take a great receiver in the first.

Short of him saying "we're firing Dorsey and Frazier" and I don't expect that to be announced today if it happens, what did you want him to say? "I f*****d up and while we won 13 games out of a 16 game schedule but we lost badly in the divisional playoff game and this team is a mess with no future. Sorry but that's the truth."

 

He acknowledged they would try to be creative and compete every year and not take a year off. What else can he do short of announcing firings?
 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Nephilim17

[Gunsgoodtime]

He is hanging on hard to that Josh Allen pick, he knows he would probably be fired by now if it won't for Allen.  They almost have to sign Edmunds to show they actually got more than 1 pick right

[SCBills]

14 minutes ago, Mango said:

Interesting that Beane did a bit of talking about how “lucky” Cincinnati was to get good by being bad and rookie contacts.

 

…but didn’t mention KC with a QB on his second contract. They also have $15M in space for 2023 and $106M for 2024. 

 

So when he says Cincinnatti got lucky, what he really means is “please don’t pay attention to our peers” 

 

EDIT: For reference, the Bills are estimated at -$5M and $19M the next two years. Unless KC starts making some major personnel blunders, we’re likely losing a lot of ground. 

He says we’re behind both of them right now .. but let’s see how Sunday plays out.  
 

I think we’re behind Cincinnati.  My best prediction is that KC will feel that same way Sunday night. 
 

Cincy has the perfect storm right now.  He’s right about the Burrow injury blessing in disguise.  They have a rookie contract QB, elite weapons, top tier defense, elite coaching and Burrow can navigate the OL .. and may be getting some guys back.   
 

They are the team to beat in the AFC next year.  After next year, it gets dicey for them, especially if their ownership can’t free up the money to pass out creative liquid money contracts like Pegula and some others can.  

[TFBillsfan]

2 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said:

We need to make a decision on Frazier and Dorsey soon though.  If they are out, now is the time to start looking for replacements

IMO I think it’s crazy to bring in another OC after one season. You want to start all over with another OC with learning another system. For having a weak OL and underperforming WR’s, they stilled delivered. Hell you could argue they should of went undefeated in the regular season. I don’t think Dorsey is even up for debate. Frazier is a different story but if they do who are you replacing him with?

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean...he could absolutely get better. He could stay stagnant or simply be who he is. An inconsistent player who will have some big games and some big catches but will lose focus during the year as well. We could do worse than 830 yards and 7 TDs, but we could also improve on it...

 

Perhaps they think he can improve at focusing better throughout the season as it was his first shot at a larger role on offense.

 

That being said...I think we need a more dynamic player at that position. Gabe is fantastic as a deep threat and catching the ball along the sidelines, but he doesn't get separation. I say he plays as a #3 next year and then gets replaced the following season. Even if he starts as the #2 but then starts ceding playing time to the rookie as the year goes on as he gets more comfortable role, I would be fine with that.

Agree with all.  The biggest thing to me more than anything is we need consistency out of that position and Gabe is anything but.  If we are truly trying to get a guy there that will pull some attention off of Diggs, it has to be someone that other team's actually have to worry about.  Even with Gabe's big play capability, I don't think teams really worried about him as much as they would if he were a WR that was known for his ability to get open and then complete the catch on a consistent basis.

[Chicken Boo]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Metcalf is just as inconsistent as Davis is.

 

He may be a touch inconsistent, but nothing on the level of Gabe.  Davis has yet to surpass DK's rookie stat line, much less post a 1300 yard season.

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Sully is missed after a game like this.

As much as everyone dogged on him, he was correct on quite a few things. Speaking generally, some fans don't want to take critical looks and prefer to only see the sunshine

[Governor]

21 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

If they just run it back it won’t be worth wasting Sundays on next fall. Sure they can win a lot of games but the season will have the same ending.

Lol. Weeks ago I said I just couldn’t watch this defense anymore. It’s so incredibly bad. I might have to add some Giant’s games next year. I don’t know how all of you do it. We know what happens to these defenses but we still watch. Year after year.

[TFBillsfan]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Agree with all.  The biggest thing to me more than anything is we need consistency out of that position and Gabe is anything but.  If we are truly trying to get a guy there that will pull some attention off of Diggs, it has to be someone that other team's actually have to worry about.  Even with Gabe's big play capability, I don't think teams really worried about him as much as they would if he were a WR that was known for his ability to get open and then complete the catch on a consistent basis.

They sorely lacked a dynamic player in the slot. Having someone that is a playmaker in that position opens up so much for this offense. Crowder got hurt and McKenzie isn’t a full time starter. Both turned out to be unreliable with health and play. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If you don’t get rid of Fraizer, you aren’t beating the good teams when it matters. We had zero shot or plan for even slowing the bengals down. It was truly pathetic. The good teams are going to embarrass us with this pre school scheme. As long as this guy is involved we are going nowhere. 

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

IMO I think it’s crazy to bring in another OC after one season. You want to start all over with another OC with learning another system. For having a weak OL and underperforming WR’s, they stilled delivered. Hell you could argue they should have went undefeated in the regular season. I don’t think Dorsey is even up for debate. Frazier is a different story but if they do who are you replacing him with?

The Browns just hired Schwartz. They knew what was coming.

[Gunsgoodtime]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

This part really bothered me when Beane said it.

He was basically asked what he can take from the Bengals' build, and rather than state any one of the many obvious things that make the Bengals a good team -- strong up front on both sides of the ball, great wide receiver play, depth, etc -- he chose just about the worst possible answer.

To say that they "were lucky enough" to be "bad enough to get Ja'Marr Chase", he is essentially ducking accountability for still needing to be able to find difference makers later in round one and beyond. Lots of great NFL players -- receivers, especially -- are taken in late round one and beyond. For him to point to the "luck" of drafting high is to dodge the responsibility that he and his staff bare to find good players REGARDLESS of where in the draft they pick.

Yes, later in the interview he said that he and his staff need to hit on draft picks, but he's said that before. That's obvious. Those are just words. The "we don't pick early like the Bengals used to, so we're not getting a guy like that" and the insinuation of luck and high draft position as reasons for success were a bad look.

Since 2018 not one team has drafted more DL in the top 2 rounds than Buffalo.  During this same time frame, they have selected less WR in the top 3 rounds than any other teams.  It was on full display again the Bengals trotting out all their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round Wrs, will Beanes D line with all the capital used was completely invisible 

3 hours ago, DCbillsfan said:

Not getting a good feeling about the off season.  Sounds a lot like we're gonna run it back and hope for better results.

I hope Terry has an advisor, these answers ate exactly what I did not want to hear for the most part.  As great as Beane, McDermott have been, I dont think they possess the mentality to build an offensive team around Josh Allen

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

They sorely lacked a dynamic player in the slot. Having someone that is a playmaker in that position opens up so much for this offense. Crowder got hurt and McKenzie isn’t a full time starter. Both turned out to be unreliable with health and play. 

This is true, but I also think Dorsey's playcalling plays into that.  Just a year prior under Daboll, Beasley was one of Josh's favorite targets.  This year, whether it was Crowder, McK, Shakir, or even Beas when Beane brought him back, seems the looks to the slot receiver were next to nothing.  If Daboll were still running the offense, I just don't see that as the case.

[coloradobillsfan]

8 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

IMO I think it’s crazy to bring in another OC after one season. You want to start all over with another OC with learning another system. For having a weak OL and underperforming WR’s, they stilled delivered. Hell you could argue they should of went undefeated in the regular season. I don’t think Dorsey is even up for debate. Frazier is a different story but if they do who are you replacing him with?

Personally I'm more in the camp of getting rid of Frazier.  He was clueless how to stop the Bengals after being given a preview of exactly how they were going to attack our secondary, and neither could he find any way to get any consistency out of the DL after Von went down.  Combine that with his role in 13 seconds, and the fact he isn't even under contract for next season makes it a fairly easy decision in my opinion.  No I don't have his replacement's name on the tip of my tongue (nor do I feel it is my job to) but there are certainly fresher younger defensive minds out there in the league who would be hungry for the opportunity