FYI…for those worried about cap space Josh solves all problems

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm sure Beane already had the things we're talking about now (like restructuring) for this offseason prepped and ready to go last season.  These GMs are always planning several seasons down the road. Obviously, he has no idea what the cap will actually be years in advance, but he can make educated projections from what he's hearing, and base what he's going to have to work with off of that.  People need not freak out over what our cap numbers look like in future seasons based on the cap for the current season.  

 

We may question some of the draft picks this team has made, but one thing I'm very confident in Beane in is with managing the numbers.

The numbers are the easy part of a GM’s job. Teams get good cap projections based on league revenue projections. Even the teams that get into cap hell planned to be there. Usually they were chasing a ring and had a QB at the end of his career. 
 

The complications that are the most worrying are expensive players with a lot of guaranteed money that don’t live up to their contracts for whatever reason. Unfortunately the Bills have two of them, both due to injury and no fault of the player or team. White and Miller are huge cap expenditures and the Bills are in the middle of it with them. They lost White for the latter part of last season, last season’s playoffs and got him back at much less than 100% for the end of this season and the playoffs. Miller’s best case scenario looks very similar. That’s a ton of cap space that the Bills lost due to some very bad luck. 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The numbers are the easy part of a GM’s job. Teams get good cap projections based on league revenue projections. Even the teams that get into cap hell planned to be there. Usually they were chasing a ring and had a QB at the end of his career. 
 

The complications that are the most worrying are expensive players with a lot of guaranteed money that don’t live up to their contracts for whatever reason. Unfortunately the Bills have two of them, both due to injury and no fault of the player or team. White and Miller are huge cap expenditures and the Bills are in the middle of it with them. They lost White for the latter part of last season, last season’s playoffs and got him back at much less than 100% for the end of this season and the playoffs. Miller’s best case scenario looks very similar. That’s a ton of cap space that the Bills lost due to some very bad luck. 

That's why I'm very reluctant to get into a long-term contract with Edmunds that's in the $15M to $20M per year range.  Having that kind of money tied up in 3 players on the defensive side of the ball is a hard pill to swallow.

[Bruffalo]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

That's why I'm very reluctant to get into a long-term contract with Edmunds that's in the $15M to $20M per year range.  Having that kind of money tied up in 3 players on the defensive side of the ball is a hard pill to swallow.

I think we'd definitely kick ourselves letting him go, but I want to give him the exact same contract as Milano + inflation.  I doubt it'll get it done though. 

 

He's going to ball out somewhere else with a DC who lets him play free. 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, colin said:

i think we have to let edmunds and poyer walk.

 

i think tre white, edmunds, poyer and hyde will all be gone after next season.  we can't pay players who aren't difference makers

I think Tre will look more like himself by next August. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

I think we'd definitely kick ourselves letting him go, but I want to give him the exact same contract as Milano + inflation.  I doubt it'll get it done though. 

 

He's going to ball out somewhere else with a DC who lets him play free. 

I'd be willing to give him the deal we gave Milano.  I think he's earned that.  I think he knows he can get a lot more on the open market and think that's what he's going to want.  

 

Can't really blame him.  He's getting what he thinks he can get.  I think that's a little beyond what we should be doing.

[BuffaloRebound]

We need Tre to return to form.  I’d expect Miller to be effective next year.  Tre needs to run with 4.3 speed guys.  Miller has to beat 300 lb guys.  Different timetable on effectiveness. Hyde returns. Milano is an All Pro.  Elam looked good at end of season.  Poyer at $7-8m per year or Edmunds at $13-14m.  One or the other at that price.  Bring back Shaq and let Phillips walk.  

All the other money and high draft picks need to be spent on O-Line and weapons for Josh.  

[ArdmoreRyno]

Trade Josh to the Bears for their #1 pick, Teven Jenkins, Braxton Jones, Sam Mustipher and Khalil Herbert.

[78thealltimegreat]

18 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Trade Josh to the Bears for their #1 pick, Teven Jenkins, Braxton Jones, Sam Mustipher and Khalil Herbert.

Honestly the bears getting Josh Allen at 26 with 82 million in capspace. Yes I think there would be more than 1 Chicago sports fan that would slightly approve of this deal. And more than 1 Bills fan wanting Beane fired after Bryce Young gets his first of many trips to the IR. 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Tremaine can chase more money elsewhere...he's used to chasing things.

 

I was coming around on him, he was playing like an actual linebacker the back half of the season, but he got used as a push shovel by backup TE's and OL with names like Carmex and Volbeat.

[ALLinALLEN]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Why do you say that

He was constantly getting burnt since coming back. Tons of holding penalties and PI clearly he's not as explosive. I'm sure someone will show me some advanced analytic bs that says the opposite but Eye test was no bueno for him this year.

[GolfandBills]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Restructuring just pushes the bill down the road.

People don’t realize that.  Eventually you turn into the Saints at 100 million over the cap

[Caesar]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

2 years ago Mahomes and Hill was restructured to get an offensive line. it worked out well for them.

I would argue scheme has put Edmunds in bad situations. Last game, the middle of the field was open ALL GAME LONG. That is not on tre if he is schemed to go elsewhere. 

Mahomes deal really had nothing to do with him.  His roster bonus was converted to a signing bonus that could be prorated.  Thus a $21M roster bonus hit was lowered to $4M, saving $17M that season, with 5 more $4M payments down the road.

Allen doesn't have a big roster bonus until 2025.  They would have to restructure his base.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Caesar

[Mat68]

I like Edmunds more than Milano.  But in 2023 you can not have over 20mil in cap tied to off ball linebakers.  They are the rbs of the defense.   Figure something out with Poyer on a 2 year deal. Sign a middle of the road vet and draft a Mike.

 

Use that money and bring in a starting NFL OT and OG.  Draft a guard/center combo who can take over for Morse down the road. The Oline and weapons need to be the highest priority.  More twitch on the edge further away 3rd priority. 

[First Round Bust]

oh if I were the GM - the future is now

 

thanks Leslie, but were are going in a different direction

 

long-term for Edmunds - age 24 - yeah I am going 6 years to make it work - tell me your alternative instead of flaming me pls...cuz that is what he is going to get on the market and he knows it...I can tag him to keep from the market then work the long-term and remove the tag down the road when the market no longer favors the mega deals unless someone wants him that bad and maybe trade him...

 

Draft a WR first round, when he's ready for some prime second receiver playing time around next season trade deadline I move Gabe Davis for a third-rounder

Round 2 guard, round 3 safety or Benford shifts to safety

I may trade next years number one and something else, round 3 maybe for end of round one this year and a 7th giving me two picks in top 30 for WR and OL plus I have that second round pick this year for another OL or LB or S.

 

Restructure Josh for the cap space,  salary cuts for Morse 3M, Isaiah 1M, Hynes 1.5M

Brown, Phiilips, Shaq, Beasley, Crowder - backups so they get vet mins or walk - and Brown just did

Shakir becomes slot starter

 

not much flexibility mind you...

 

 

[boyst]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I just can’t see the bills using the franchise tag

Not when linebackers aren't even linebackers anymore. Pass rush specialists are labeled linebacker. Von Miller insists he is a linebacker so he can wear a number. This nonsense hikes the cap up on positions like linebacker for no reason.

 

I hope the NFL cracks down on this. 

[Success]

I love how other fanbases are all "they're in cap hell now - the window is closed."

 

JA is too competitive. He'll restructure, and Beane is a wizard w/ the cap. We'll be able to get the pieces we need.

 

[DuckyBoys]

7 hours ago, colin said:

i think we have to let edmunds and poyer walk.

 

i think tre white, edmunds, poyer and hyde will all be gone after next season.  we can't pay players who aren't difference makers

they wont do that  Beane has repeatedly mentioned draft and retain your own failures to extravagant contracts  Gotta justify those picks  I hope Tremaine breaks the bank so I can watch him get drug downfield and misread his gaps for the next 5 years

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Restructuring just pushes the bill down the road.

It's what all the cool kids are doing.  

[LABILLBACKER]

8 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

The foundation of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme is linebacker covering the middle of the field on pass plays.

 

If you pay Edmunds you seal your fate. Send joe Burrow a box a cigars with that contract.

 

He's just not a enough of a difference maker when. It matters.

I'm so sick and tired of this Tampa 2 zone. Tremaine did his best to play the way he was told. But he was never an impact player.  And he's definitely not worth more than Milano.  We have to let him go and chase whatever money he thinks he's worth. 

[Freddie's Dead]

All this hand-wringing over Josh's contract, when we've got him on a 10M/yr discount.  I don't get it.  Wanna save cap?  Get rid of Ed Oliver and his 10M/yr.  Waste of money, he's nowhere near worth that price.