Are the Bills committed to Ed Oliver in 2023?

[BillsFanForever19]

16 hours ago, DJB said:

The worst part of the Oliver pick?

 

We passed on 3 much better DT in Dexter Lawrence, J Simmons and C Wilkins

 

Let some other team overpay for this useless bum 

 

Way to dig back to a post from January to dig on this year's version of Tremaine Edmunds, amongst hyperbolic posters of this board.

 

"Useless bum" is a bit of a reach.

Edited May 6, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[BuffaloRebound]

Let’s hope he has a breakout year, but he’s definitely been underwhelming especially  when you look at the top 20 picks that year.  That was a pretty stacked draft.  In hindsight there’s no way he should’ve went that high at that size without huge production.  

[DCofNC]

22 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Oliver has been inconsistent but when he’s active and penetrating he resembles Aaron Donald. He’s in his walk year so expect tremendous effort from him. NFL players make the most money with the second contract especially if they stick with the team for five seasons.

Oliver has had 4 years and never once has he had even a single game where he’s had Aaron Donald like impact on a game.  He’s a marginal starter, just admit reality and move on.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Oliver has had 4 years and never once has he had even a single game where he’s had Aaron Donald like impact on a game.  He’s a marginal starter, just admit reality and move on.

Use him for one more year and let him walk. Hated the pick when it was made and he's done nothing to justify a top 10 pick. 

Let someone else overpay for this guy 

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Oliver has had 4 years and never once has he had even a single game where he’s had Aaron Donald like impact on a game.  He’s a marginal starter, just admit reality and move on.

Do you respect Sean/Beane’s talent evaluations? Oliver has averaged 16 games, 35 tackles and 4 sacks since 2019. They could have unceremoniously dumped him the last 2 years. They sign tackles in FA every year and Oliver plays the most. The team has  consistently been top 5 in defense the last 3 years. I said he resembles Donald on the occasion when he gets penetration and looks to quick for the interior O-line. You want reality, they could have traded him to several tackle needy teams for draft choices the last 2 years but they value his durability and his contribution.

[Beck Water]

On 1/24/2023 at 8:16 AM, LabattBlue said:

For some reason I thought he was a FA, but according to spotrac he is under contract to the tune of a ~11m cap hit. 😱

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ed-oliver-29044/

 

It's fully guaranteed, so they ain't gonna cut Big Ed.

 

It'd be tough to get full value on a trade, because it's a 1 yr rental on a big contract.

 

So my feeling is yeah, they're fully committed for 2023 because they'll get more if they use him for a year and then manage a comp pick if they don't want to extend him. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Do you respect Sean/Beane’s talent evaluations? Oliver has averaged 16 games, 35 tackles and 4 sacks since 2019. They could have unceremoniously dumped him the last 2 years. They sign tackles in FA every year and Oliver plays the most. The team has  consistently been top 5 in defense the last 3 years. I said he resembles Donald on the occasion when he gets penetration and looks to quick for the interior O-line. You want reality, they could have traded him to several tackle needy teams for draft choices the last 2 years but they value his durability and his contribution.

Well, if you are asking if I think they are wrong to play him over other players and not dump his inflated contract vs value.  Yes, I question them.

Edited May 7, 2023 by DCofNC

[Eastport bills]

59 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Well, if you are asking if I think they are wrong to play him over other players and not dump his inflated contract vs value.  Yes, I question them.

Who exactly would you bring in for the minuscule cap space available, that would be a better fit? The fans wanted Edmunds dumped before his walk year similarly. He ended up having his best year and getting the richest LB contract in the NFL. Thankfully the decision makers don’t care what the message board hucksters think.

[Chandler#81]

Committed? Well, there’s no ring. It’s platonic. They’re just good friends..🤷‍♂️

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I would’ve been fine with trading Oliver and signing Poona Ford as his replacement.

 

Here we are. We signed Ford.

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I would’ve been fine with trading Oliver and signing Poona Ford as his replacement.

 

Here we are. We signed Ford.

I was not down for trading Oliver durning FA. We’d never have gotten value. However now that we’ve got Ford and a deep enough DT roster to withstand losing him, it’s a different story. If, after the DT FA pool finishes drying up, a team that fancies itself a contender finds itself in serious need of a 3T, well, it’d be rude not to listen to their offer. 

[PrimeTime101]

On 5/5/2023 at 10:12 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

Let’s hope he has a breakout year, but he’s definitely been underwhelming especially  when you look at the top 20 picks that year.  That was a pretty stacked draft.  In hindsight there’s no way he should’ve went that high at that size without huge production.  

he has a breakout year like Edmunds did? then we will not be able to afford him.  That is a win lose scenario.

[DCofNC]

17 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Who exactly would you bring in for the minuscule cap space available, that would be a better fit? The fans wanted Edmunds dumped before his walk year similarly. He ended up having his best year and getting the richest LB contract in the NFL. Thankfully the decision makers don’t care what the message board hucksters think.

Yeah, brilliant strategy isn’t it?  Don’t extend a guy and let him become the most desirable guy at his position in FA, get nothing for him.. Now you are down the path of paying a guy 2x his market value and if he finally “finds” it, you are in the same position again.   If you could have unloaded Oliver for literally anything, you would have 11M to work with for a far better player, but the league knows he’s a nobody so you can’t even get a future garbage pick for him.   So homer it up all you want, Beane has mismanaged every 1st round pick outside of Allen and it’s a REAL good thing he got that right or there would be even less space to work with.

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

he has a breakout year like Edmunds did? then we will not be able to afford him.  That is a win lose scenario.

This is why the 5th year option is fools gold. 

[PrimeTime101]

7 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, brilliant strategy isn’t it?  Don’t extend a guy and let him become the most desirable guy at his position in FA, get nothing for him.. Now you are down the path of paying a guy 2x his market value and if he finally “finds” it, you are in the same position again.   If you could have unloaded Oliver for literally anything, you would have 11M to work with for a far better player, but the league knows he’s a nobody so you can’t even get a future garbage pick for him.   So homer it up all you want, Beane has mismanaged every 1st round pick outside of Allen and it’s a REAL good thing he got that right or there would be even less space to work with.

This is why the 5th year option is fools gold. 

depends. are you a team with money to spend or are you not. 

[Nephilim17]

10 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Committed? Well, there’s no ring. It’s platonic. They’re just good friends..🤷‍♂️

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for $10 million.

[Eastport bills]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

depends. are you a team with money to spend or are you not. 

Like I asked before who are you bringing in to replace Oliver? They have Ford and Jones and seemingly are able to bring in another edge(Clark, Ingram). What’s your problem with letting a 4 year, 1st rd draft choice, play his ass off in a contract yea?. If he has a great year, franchise him and get draft choices if someone else wants to pay him. They picked up his 5th year option because he’s durable and they need him in their rotation. This is a crucial year for the Bills, after letting Cinn. end their season in embarrassing fashion. We need our best defenders after losing Edmunds. You don’t like Oliver, just live with it.

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, brilliant strategy isn’t it?  Don’t extend a guy and let him become the most desirable guy at his position in FA, get nothing for him

 

They're getting a 3rd round pick for him which is likely the same or better than what they would have gotten for him in a trade last offseason. Plus they got the best year of his career in the middle of their Super Bowl window. In what way did they mismanage that situation?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

They're getting a 3rd round pick for him which is likely the same or better than what they would have gotten for him in a trade last offseason. Plus they got the best year of his career in the middle of their Super Bowl window. In what way did they mismanage that situation?

$10 million cap space is a lot more valuable than the 100th pick in the draft.

 

The way I look at is if you don’t like a player enough to sign him long term then move him out so you can sign a player you do like long term, like Yannick Ngakoue.

 

Don’t wait for him to walk and don’t let him eat a large chunk of the cap if he isn’t a player you like long term.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[4merper4mer]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

$10 million cap space is a lot more valuable than the 100th pick in the draft.

 

The way I look at is if you don’t like a player enough to sign him long term then move him out so you can sign a player you do like long term, like Yannick Ngakoue.

You like Ngakoue long term?  Shirley.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

$10 million cap space is a lot more valuable than the 100th pick in the draft.

 

The way I look at is if you don’t like a player enough to sign him long term then move him out so you can sign a player you do like long term, like Yannick Ngakoue.

 

Don’t wait for him to walk and don’t let him eat a large chunk of the cap if he isn’t a player you like long term.

 

I have said that if they trade Oliver as a means to free up cap space to trade for Hopkins, I'm all for it. If they trade him just to free up cap space for more rotational pieces, that doesn't make any sense. Don't create a hole at a starting position just to fill depth holes. If they want to create a hole at DT to fill a hole at #2 WR then yes the trade off is worth it.