Are the Bills committed to Ed Oliver in 2023?

[dave mcbride]

42 minutes ago, McBean said:

I sure as heck hope not.

 

Hasn’t sniffed his draft position.

Hindsight is 20/20, but the Bills took him over these 1st round d-linemen: Brian Burns (elite), Jeffrey Simmons (elite), and Montez Sweat (averages just over 7 sacks per year over a four-year stretch). He's probably a better player than Rashan Gary, who was also a first rounder, and certainly better than Jerry Tillery and L.J. Collier. Dexter Lawrence had a great year this year, but his first few were just OK. It's kind of a wash with those two because Oliver has certainly had some good moments.

 

If a redraft were held today, the Bills would take either Simmons or Burns, but I also think that if there were an actual re-draft, Burns would go top five.

Edited January 24, 2023 by dave mcbride

[DapperCam]

5th year option is fully guaranteed. They will keep him another year and maybe see if they can get “contract year” production from him. He certainly seems capable, but the production isn’t always there.

[T master]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I want the Bills to move in a different direction from Ed Oliver. Try to acquire a top level DT this offseason to pair with Jones.

 

I would have to agree if they could find a player like a younger more healthy version of Phillips that would a good pick up when he is fully healthy he is & can be a beast inside ! Seeing as the Bengals didn't have 3 of their starters on the O line Ed should have been able to school them but didn't that is very telling .

 

Ed is about the same size as John Randal was but not the player he was I have always wanted to see the Bills try him as a DE given that they say his first step is so quick & he may be better suited for that position who knows ? Why not try it if it doesn't work change him back or just mix in a couple of plays to keep them guessing .

 

They said when he was drafted that in college he was playing out of position but he was doing a lot of disrupting while in college so if that be true then try him where they had him in college if he was doing that good out of position i feel he has the motor but his 287 lbs against a 320 lb O lineman i don't feel is enough in todays NFL at his position .

 

That's where his quickness might be better used as a DE because he has more outside room to use but i'm no expert that's for sure !! Change worked for Peters & others ...

[mannc]

19 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I think Beane's problem is that they feel their coaching staff can mold a talent to be great. Epenesa and Basham are prime examples to me. Like spit shining some shoes. 

I just don’t know how you take an undersized, small conference guy like Oliver over a monster like Dexter Lawrence, who was the centerpiece of a championship defense at Clemson.  It points to a serious flaw in the Bills’ scouting process and evaluation…

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's his 5th year option.  They are now fully guaranteed when signed.

 

I think Oliver would probably be one of the guys McDermott has in mind when he says he thought the play of the DL was "inconsistent" especially after Von Miller went down

hopefully the 5th year option both encourages him as a contract year but also as another year in the system. It’s not excusing it as others have played better but wouldn’t be crazy to see some covid year disruption and a few normal off-season help take a step or two forward when paired with the crossroads. 
 

I dont think he’s been “the guy” but want to find reasons to think he could be viable still. Another inconsistent year and you could spend money more effectively than paying him as an elite guy

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

For some reason I thought he was a FA, but according to spotrac he is under contract to the tune of a ~11m cap hit. 😱

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ed-oliver-29044/

 

He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut.  He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good?

 

This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Big Turk

[Royale with Cheese]

29 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I dont care if it leaves a whole, an expensive, undersized, inconsistent, role player. He provides nothing to the team, and our D already sucks.

With nfl rules in 2023, any defense is a diminished return unless they are elite.

Could you imagine what $11m invested at RT or G would add to this team. Buh bye

 

I agree 100%

[harmonkillebrew]

Oliver was double-teamed all day.  No having Daquan hurt. Phillips on a bum shoulder also hurt. Settle was a disappointment. 
I'd re-sign Oliver to a team friendly deal if possible. 

[DCbillsfan]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut.  He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good?

 

This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding.

The Bills just got dominated on both sides of the ball on Sunday.  Beane and company will look at everything.  Over 4 years, Oliver hasn't played at a level where he's untouchable.  Looking into possibly trading him for a player or draft pick(s) seems rather plausible.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said:

The Bills just got dominated on both sides of the ball on Sunday.  Beane and company will look at everything.  Over 4 years, Oliver hasn't played at a level where he's untouchable.  Looking into possibly trading him for a player or draft pick(s) seems rather plausible.

 

Name one person that played a great game Sunday?  The entire team didn't have it.  Hard to single out one player in that game as "bad". They all were bad.

[DCbillsfan]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Name one person that played a great game Sunday?  The entire team didn't have it.  Hard to single out one player in that game as "bad". They all were bad.

I mentioned 4 years not just last game.

[entropyrules]

If they don’t resign him after the end of the next season and he then goes elsewhere do the Bills have at shot at a 3rd round comp pick? 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Where do you have in mind?

 

Cmon, just trade our bad guys for great players at the same position. IT'S THAT EASY!

[SCBills]

35 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut.  He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good?

 

This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding.

 

Who's cutting him?

 

We're all talking trade.  He has value.  Maybe we don't get back what we're hoping (Day 2 Pick) but even if we don't, it clears his 11M.

 

We talk about investing on Offense.. How exactly do we suppose we'll do that if we have Oliver eating 11M on a 5th year option and/or pay Edmunds whatever it is he ends up getting. 

 

Enough.

 

We are going to have to fill some roles on Defense with cheap/rookie players if we want to give Josh Allen an Offense that can go toe to toe with Burrow and the Bengals next year.  

[IndyMark]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut.  He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good?

 

This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding.

 

Well to be fair, this is a discussion forum and one could argue every single post is (and I think you mean) non-sensical.  Literally, I could argue every post is non-sensical.  You know, normativity and all.

 

Anywho, the point remains he was a bad pick, not worth the cap hit, sadly will likely be on the team next year (really who would trade for him, maybe the Texans for that hometown edge?), and severely underperformed over this time here.  Anyone that believes he is vital to what we do has absolutely no clue what they are looking at.  Yes, we get to keep Ed another year, unless a trade partner comes skipping down the hallway.

 

Also, let's be honest, whomever we theoretically could sign for Ed likely would be an upgrade.  He just is an average player. Again, being able to identify and recall the one game he was a force this year, is revealing. I can balance that with the Titans game last year where they literally ran right at and over Ed. Henry's monster run was right at Ed. 

 

 

[RiotAct]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Cmon, just trade our bad guys for great players at the same position. IT'S THAT EASY!

Isaiah McKenzie for Davante Adams… straight up!

[John from Riverside]

Is anybody going to take into account the fact that he was injured the whole year

[SCBills]

23 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Oliver was double-teamed all day.  No having Daquan hurt. Phillips on a bum shoulder also hurt. Settle was a disappointment. 
I'd re-sign Oliver to a team friendly deal if possible. 

 

Top Ten pick in year 4 against backups and a wildly mediocre starting Center and we're making excuses for him ... and advocating to pay him long term?  

 

These kind of moves, if made, are why we will be behind the Chiefs and Bengals.  You can't pay guys on Defense who aren't reliable impact players when your QB is making 40M+

[Sharky7337]

I'll be committed (to a insane asylum) if they extend him or pay him that 5th year salary.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Sharky7337

[LabattBlue]

42 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding.

Just looking for clarification as to his FA status, but if it makes you feel better…