Bill O’Brien - thoughts about him as OC?

[corta765]

BOB is a pretty decent coordinator who has won with crappy QB play in Houston. The major problem remains the talent around Mac is just not there and they are dead last in the division in skill position talent. Add in the retirement of David Andrews also on the offensive line it will take a lot of work to make something functional.

I think Mac will look better and probably much like his form his rookie year with some improvement, but again even with some internal improvement his cast just does not have a lot to work with. 

[SectionC3]

  On 1/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, Patrick Fitzryan said:

McDermott probably isn't bringing in anyone that could potentially become his replacement down the road.

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He hired Frazier right off the hop.  

[machine gun kelly]

He took the Pats OC job I believe I heard this morning.  
 

Figures.  No one from the outside would go and work for BB.

[SectionC3]

  On 1/24/2023 at 2:13 PM, klos63 said:

I think we need a change at both coordinators. Dorsey isn't good enough and with the defense, i think a change in philosophy is needed, similar to getting Wade after Corey.

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This is where I’m at, too.  I’m definitely done with Dorsey.  I could probably live with Frazier for another year.  But if somebody said that we would change it up a bit and take a whack at Vic Fangio, I wouldn’t be totally against it.  Not sure how our personnel fits with Fangio’s style.  But, then again, we’re going to have some turnover on that side of the ball.  So maybe now’s the time to switch it up. 

[PatsFanNH]

  On 1/24/2023 at 3:30 PM, corta765 said:

BOB is a pretty decent coordinator who has won with crappy QB play in Houston. The major problem remains the talent around Mac is just not there and they are dead last in the division in skill position talent. Add in the retirement of David Andrews also on the offensive line it will take a lot of work to make something functional.

I think Mac will look better and probably much like his form his rookie year with some improvement, but again even with some internal improvement his cast just does not have a lot to work with. 

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Umm David Andrews didn’t retire. The only 2 retirements they are expecting are McCourty, and special teams Captain Slater. 
 

The Pats biggest weakness on O are both tackle positions. Wynn never lived up to his 1st round draft position, and Brown had a terrible year. I believe that both of them had  the most penalties for Tackles. (Which is sad considering Wynn missed like half the season.)  Add in the pressures they give up and it was a nightmare.  Unless they fix this issue they could have the next Moss and Rice out there and it be useless. 

[corta765]

  On 1/24/2023 at 3:48 PM, PatsFanNH said:

Umm David Andrews didn’t retire. The only 2 retirements they are expecting are McCourty, and special teams Captain Slater. 

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Whoops my bad they made it seem like he was. Just read he restructured, that helps a bit.

[Matt_In_NH]

Fire everyone...until the first game next year, at halftime fire everyone again!

[DrDawkinstein]

BOB will be an upgrade over Patricia, but they still have McCorkle so I'm not worried about it.

 

I dont think BOB would have been a good fit in Buffalo, personality-wise. He's pretty much a huge ahole. Not sure how Josh and Diggs and the guys would mesh with that. Or even McD. And it's not like he is this standout offensive guru that makes it worth putting up with his personality. He's just ok, and then a dick on top of it.

[T.E.]

  On 1/24/2023 at 3:43 PM, SectionC3 said:

He hired Frazier right off the hop.  

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His seat is significantly warmer now than when Frazier was hired.

[SectionC3]

  On 1/24/2023 at 4:56 PM, Patrick Fitzryan said:

His seat is significantly warmer now than when Frazier was hired.

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I’m not sure about that.  Depends on the financial commitment.  And, to take a step back, McD has us right there.  I’m not ready to nuke him yet. (A catastrophic WC loss next year may change my tune.)  We shouldn’t forget that Sean Payton was one but a single super bowl, that it took Reid years to get it done, that Sean McVay is a dropped INT from being in the same boat, etc.  time to retool and double down in Josh.  
 

also, the bet here is that at least one coordinator is gone and that McD is going to take this week to let the HC process shake out and line up replacement(s). 

Edited January 24, 2023 by SectionC3

[DJB]

  On 1/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Still won't stop the thread from reaching 5 pages

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Almost there!

 

Could be the next Maclin or Ertz here 

[Green Lightning]

If Josh still wants Dorsey then he is going nowhere. I hope they don't waste another year of Josh's prime with an OC that cannot scheme to protect the franchise from blitzes or understand situational football. An OC who can't comprehend a short passing game to protect Josh from absorbing all the punishment he got this year waiting for the constant deep pass routes to develop. No adjustments for a run and pass scheme that an average at best OL can better protect Josh. DCs have Dorsey figured out and relying on Josh to be superman every week is not sustainable.  We need a new OC and pronto.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

  On 1/24/2023 at 4:27 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

BOB will be an upgrade over Patricia...

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You're guddam right.

With BOB as OC, MJ🏈10 WILL be ready when Jakobi Meyers throws him back the football next year! 😁

 

[The Jokeman]

  On 1/24/2023 at 5:27 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

You're guddam right.

 

With BOB as OC, MJ🏈10 WILL be ready when Jakobi Meyers throws him back the football next year! 😁

 

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Meyers is an UFA this season, I wouldn't mind adding him tbh. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

  On 1/24/2023 at 5:56 PM, The Jokeman said:

Meyers is an UFA this season, I wouldn't mind adding him tbh. 

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Certainly brings a heightened sense of uncertainty to the game. 🫢

[Chaos]

  On 1/24/2023 at 2:36 PM, extrahammer said:

 

How tight do you think McD and Beane are? 

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No idea. But it seems like we really struggle to incorporate players new to the team

[extrahammer]

  On 1/24/2023 at 5:58 PM, Chaos said:

No idea. But it seems like we really struggle to incorporate players new to the team

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Agreed. I thought it would be 2-3 weeks at most before we incorporated Hines into the offense, at least to the load of what Zach Moss was doing. Nada. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

  On 1/24/2023 at 5:24 PM, DJB said:

Almost there!

 

Could be the next Maclin or Ertz here 

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Only 3 pages for a guy that was just hired somewhere else. Cmon TBD you can do better than that.

I like the Ertz idea. Perhaps a three way trade. Ertz and O'Brien to Buffalo, Kingsbury to New England, and Cardinals get a baseball bat and glove for Murray. 

[Heitz]

  On 1/24/2023 at 3:06 PM, The Jokeman said:

Shockingly he returns to New England, https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35516310/sources-bill-obrien-returns-new-england-patriots-oc

 

Man Belichick seems to stick to "his" guys. 

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Because no one else will work with him, but "his guys"...

[PatsFanNH]

  On 1/24/2023 at 4:27 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

BOB will be an upgrade over Patricia, but they still have McCorkle so I'm not worried about it.

 

I dont think BOB would have been a good fit in Buffalo, personality-wise. He's pretty much a huge ahole. Not sure how Josh and Diggs and the guys would mesh with that. Or even McD. And it's not like he is this standout offensive guru that makes it worth putting up with his personality. He's just ok, and then a dick on top of it.

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We will see about Jones, he and O’Brian have history and well BOB does better with pocket passers it seems lol.  The main issue needs be fixed is the OLine otherwise it all doesn’t matter.