Michael Thomas or Odell Beckham Jr.?

[ghostwriter]

Mike Gesicki would be a great upgrade as far as our slot WR position is concerned. That was a glaring weakness for us all year long I thought. McKenzie is not the guy we thought he was and Beasley, as much as I love him is just way too old at this point. Allen missed having that smart, move the chains, physical, find the soft spot in the defense kind of weapon I thought.

 

Give me a slot WR and give me another outside WR to compete against Gabe Davis, preferably in the 1st-3rd rounds.

 

If we expect Allen to be the “franchise” which I think he is, give this guy a solid OL and I’m talking 330lbs minimum as a requirement for every player on our line, like heaviest line in the league kind of big and get the guy some more weapons and a running attack!

 

 

[ALLinALLEN]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Makes sense.   Started the topic to for discussion sake, and you have valid points.   Not sure how I feel about Hyatt yet.   Seems like the idea that a WR takes 3 years to develop has gone out the window with so many young guys having success out of the gate.

Of course. We're all trying to wrap our heads around what happened yesterday and dialogue helps. 

[947]

I like Parris Campbell as a cheaper FA. He missed a lot of time in his first few seasons, was healthy this year & played really well despite awful QB play. Can play outside or slot, and should come pretty cheap.

 

Even if we draft a 1st round WR, who's to say McD would play him any more than they played Shakir this year?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you..

 

For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years.

 

If the NFL draft picks go as follows..

 

OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line.

 

 Are you talking specifically through the draft? Because none of those teams spent great resources via the draft in 21 & 22. Each team spent a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder, combined in the 2 drafts. That's it.

 

 

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

41 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Linemen please.    Anyone can play wideout 

Clearly not

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

41 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Zay Flowers...dude looks and moves like a poor man's Tyreek Hill. Same height, same build, slightly slower at 4.37 but dude can stop on a dime and change directions ridiculously well.

 

 

Love him. This is exactly who the Bills need. A guy that can add some real juice and athleticism to this offense. Diggs, Flowers, Gabe Davis, and an improved Shakir would be formidable (if the line can hold up.) 

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Love him. This is exactly who the Bills need. A guy that can add some real juice and athleticism to this offense. Diggs, Flowers, Gabe Davis, and an improved Shakir would be formidable (if the line can hold up.) 

My only issue with him is size.  He is listed at 5"10 172, will be interesting to see what he measures out at during the combine.   May be strict slot guy.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

My only issue with him is size.  He is listed at 5"10 172, will be interesting to see what he measures out at during the combine.   May be strict slot guy.

Worked for guys like Tyreek and Desean Jackson, but they are outliers. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Say this LOUDER. so the guys in the back row can hear you..

 

For christ sakes, Take note what the Eagles, San Fran and Bengals did with their offensive line over the last 2 years.

 

If the NFL draft picks go as follows..

 

OL, OL, OL, OL... I can live with that. Double down at guard and T. Do it Early. Fix the damn line. And stop drafting so late on picks for the line.

Um, the Eagles spent a huge amount of draft capital on their two main wideouts.

[BananaB]

57 minutes ago, 947 said:

I like Parris Campbell as a cheaper FA. He missed a lot of time in his first few seasons, was healthy this year & played really well despite awful QB play. Can play outside or slot, and should come pretty cheap.

 

Even if we draft a 1st round WR, who's to say McD would play him any more than they played Shakir this year?

I like Campbell as well. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Neither. Use a first round pick on one. Control him on the cheap for five years. 

You have someone in mind? Who will be at pick 27 for the Bills?

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

You have someone in mind? Who will be at pick 27 for the Bills?

I think there will be receivers available. This class isn’t as top heavy as last year, but there will be a few that will be late first rounders. 

[DuckyBoys]

spend all the picks on OL  If Josh has time he can make what we have look fine  If he doesnt you can bring in Randy Moss and it wont matter

[HappyDays]

DeAndre Hopkins is top of the list for me. He fits Allen's style so well and is still playing at a high level. That's a no-brainer trade even if we have to overpay. Michael Thomas I'm concerned with recurring injury issues but sure I'd take a shot. Cooks or OBJ would be fallback options. If we don't end up with one of those 4 the offseason is a failure.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

The issue is picking late.   Picking at 27, Johnston, Addison, and Smith-Njigba are likely all gone.  Would you rather have Jalin Hyatt or the other two I've listed?

Marvin Mims. Get him end of second. Some say he goes in the third.

[SCBills]

See if someone will take 27 and Oliver to move up in RD1 to where we can get a legit WR.   
 

Frees up his cap hit as well.  
 

Firmly in the camp of going WR in the draft unless a top FA WR wants to come here on a discount. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Neither. Use a first round pick on one. Control him on the cheap for five years. 

 

Relying on rookies to fill holes is a mistake. They have to do what they did in 2020 and make a splash move for a known commodity. They can also draft a WR early if the board falls right but that can't be the plan.

[Pirate Angel]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

The Bills can clear a lot of money by restructuring contracts this offseason, however if they want to trade for someone like DeAndre Hopkins or Brandin Cooks they will have to find someone to take on Ed Oliver's contract as well.    We wont be able to keep Oliver and sign another big money wide receiver.

 

That said, Michael Thomas just restructured his contract to make it easier for the Saints to move away from him in the offseason.   If the Saints dont move him off their roster by March 17th they will owe him 32 million dollars next year, something I dont imagine they want to do.   

 

With Thomas and Beckham both coming off of injuries and playing very little the last two seasons it's possible they have to take a one year prove it deal, hypothetically something in the range of 7-8 million dollars, doable for the Bills. 

 

If we have to go the route of taking a chance on a gifted but tarnished wideout, which one would you prefer?  If neither, what other option do you see for the Bills?

Offensive lineman and an Offensive Coordinator that can develop and use a run game and emphasize high percentage passes. If Eds contract is anywhere near what a "Big Money" wide receiver's is considering he hasn't done anything to justify giving him a big contract Bean should be tarred and feathered. 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Neither. Ideas like these are why we'll never be in the big one. Commit actual assets (1-3 rd picks) to the position.

Why?

 

Our GM can’t draft good players

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Mike Gesicki would be a great upgrade as far as our slot WR position is concerned. That was a glaring weakness for us all year long I thought. McKenzie is not the guy we thought he was and Beasley, as much as I love him is just way too old at this point. Allen missed having that smart, move the chains, physical, find the soft spot in the defense kind of weapon I thought.

 

Give me a slot WR and give me another outside WR to compete against Gabe Davis, preferably in the 1st-3rd rounds.

 

If we expect Allen to be the “franchise” which I think he is, give this guy a solid OL and I’m talking 330lbs minimum as a requirement for every player on our line, like heaviest line in the league kind of big and get the guy some more weapons and a running attack!

 

 

I think Gesicki would want a prove deal and not sure he'd get enough looks here that allow him to earn a big contract the following year. Yet agree we need help in the slot and 2nd TE. 

 

If we do look at free agency, I think a guy like Greg Dortch could be a low cost good slot answer yet unsure of his RFA vs UFA status.