appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Joe Bus (whom I'm a fan of), in his weekly observations athletic article, said Burrow had surpassed Josh Allen. Now, you won't ever see me denigrate Joe Burrow. Awesome QB, and it's possible he is a better franchise QB than Allen. But using yesterday as the basis for that observation is an absurdity. In the regular season Burrow and Allen had the same amount of TD passes (Josh added a bunch of rushing TDs). This is who Burrow was throwing to: Ja'Marr Chase (generational talent) Tee Higginns (Borderline #1 Talent) Tyler Boyd (possibly the best slot in the NFL) Hayden Hurst (top 5 TE) PLUS - Joe Mixon, a premier RB This is Josh Allen's cast Stefon Diggs - elite WR Gabe Dabis - wildly inconsistent, only caught 50% of his targets Cornucopia of sadness at the slot Dawson Knox - a TE the OC didn't really want in the game plan, but otherwise a top 5 TE PLUS - the run game, and I'll let that stand on it's own This is just unfair to Allen. Again is Burrow supremely talented, and is possibly better than Allen? Possibly! Using yesterday's game as evidence? Because Joe could simply operate the offense in a fairly easy way with an outstanding run game vs Allen having to play superman in overcoming horrible OLine play, and a hugely average WR corps, and an unused run game? That is the hottest of hot takes Edited January 23, 2023 by appoo 1 1 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Burrow is a stud. so is Allen. i hate to say it but until proven otherwise its Mahomes at the top then Josh and Joe as 2a and 2b 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, CDogg20 said: Burrow is a stud. so is Allen. i hate to say it but until proven otherwise its Mahomes at the top then Josh and Joe as 2a and 2b I think that's the correct take, but not remotely what Joe was saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 He's not completely wrong. Any fan can make arguments for Mahomes, Burrow, Allen being 1-2-3 in any order. Burrow stays cool and gets the job done, Allen is all over the place. Chase missed a handful of games too (at least 4 I believe). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's a dumb take but it's going to persist until they figure out a way to win more consistently in the post season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's not completely wrong. Any fan can make arguments for Mahomes, Burrow, Allen being 1-2-3 in any order. Burrow stays cool and gets the job done, Allen is all over the place. Chase missed a handful of games too (at least 4 I believe). There's a reason Allen is all over the place. He doesn't get the protection, or playmakers, that Burrow has 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, appoo said: I think that's the correct take, but not remotely what Joe was saying Give Josh those weapons the narritive is different in his eyes. Ughhh i’m still bitter 🤣 Edited January 23, 2023 by CDogg20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, CDogg20 said: Give Josh those weapons the narritive is different in his eyes. Ughhh i’m still butter 🤣 Give Josh those weapons and I'll give you an offense that could average 40 a game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, appoo said: There's a reason Allen is all over the place. He doesn't get the protection, or playmakers, that Burrow has Protection? Not familiar with Cincy's OL, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) He isnt a better regular season Quarterback. But its starting to get really hard to argue the kid isnt better in the playoffs. He is 5-5 in playoff games, and is one game away from being in his 2nd Super Bowl. When QBs are remembered long term, no one brings up their supporting casts at the top of the argument. By the end of next year we could be talking about Burrow being a better all around QB, but at the moment it goes Mahomes then Allen. Like it or not, the national narrative around Josh right now is whether he is the next Philip Rivers. Edited January 23, 2023 by thenorthremembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 How some dude ranks them means SFA really.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Protection? Not familiar with Cincy's OL, eh? They basically bought a new OLine this offseason, that until the playoffs stayed healthy through out the season. It was terrible coming out of traIning camp, having never played with each other, and better towards the end of September, and until it was a very good unit by the end of the season. When Burrow wasn't protected well, they looked awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 some fans worry too much about how some guy ranks something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He isnt a better regular season Quarterback. But its starting to get really hard to argue the kid isnt better in the playoffs. He is 5-5 in playoff games, and is one game away from being in his 2nd Super Bowl. When QBs are remembered long term, no one brings up their supporting casts at the top of the argument. By the end of next year we could be talking about Burrow being a better all around QB, but at the moment it goes Mahomes then Allen. Like it or not, the national narrative around Josh right now is whether he is the next Philip Rivers. He was hugely average last year's playoffs. This year is quite different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, appoo said: Joe Bus (whom I'm a fan of), in his weekly observations athletic article, said Burrow had surpassed Josh Allen. Now, you won't ever see me denigrate Joe Burrow. Awesome QB, and it's possible he is a better franchise QB than Allen. But using yesterday as the basis for that observation is an absurdity. In the regular season Burrow and Allen had the same amount of TD passes (Josh added a bunch of rushing TDs). This is who Burrow was throwing to: Ja'Marr Chase (generational talent) Tee Higginns (Borderline #1 Talent) Tyler Boyd (possibly the best slot in the NFL) Hayden Hurst (top 5 TE) PLUS - Joe Mixon, a premier RB This is Josh Allen's cast Stefon Diggs - elite WR Gabe Dabis - wildly inconsistent, only caught 50% of his targets Cornucopia of sadness at the slot Dawson Knox - a TE the OC didn't really want in the game plan, but otherwise a top 5 TE PLUS - the run game, and I'll let that stand on it's own This is just unfair to Allen. Again is Burrow supremely talented, and is possibly better than Allen? Possibly! Using yesterday's game as evidence? Because Joe could simply operate the offense in a fairly easy way with an outstanding run game vs Allen having to play superman in overcoming horrible OLine play, and a hugely average WR corps, and an unused run game? That is the hottest of hot takes Also our patchwork secondary against those WRs doesn't help. No Hyde, Poyers been banged up, Tres not back 100% yet, a few rookies, and an average Journeyman in Dane Jackson. Taron Johnson might be the only bright spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Protection? Not familiar with Cincy's OL, eh? They brought in 3 olinemen this past season and they played the first 15 games together. Meanwhile, we get Bobby Hart and settle. Edited January 23, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Just now, The Wiz said: They brought in 3 olinemen this past season and they played the first 15 games together. And they werent good. And we've been dealing with "Sugar Josh vs Angry Josh" for years. Still love Allen, would commit crimes for him. But Burrow is far more consistent week in and week out. Never have to wonder which Joe is showing up. Still love you, Josh! Edited January 23, 2023 by DrDawkinstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Beach said: some fans worry too much about how some guy ranks something Fair, but it just annoyed me seeing Joe Bus write that in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's game. Allen is the only reason this team wasn't 7-10 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think most of America now has Mahomes/Burrow as 1a & 1b, and Allen being on top of the "2nd tier" QB's. I don't really care. I'd still take Allen over anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, appoo said: Fair, but it just annoyed me seeing Joe Bus write that in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's game. Allen is the only reason this team wasn't 7-10 or so i agree with you on Allen. I dont know who Joe Bus is, but i dont watch or read any media. Sports media is designed for pointless debates and rankings so i just ignore it. I dont know which QB is better, i just hope ours can win us a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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