Discussion about Sean Payton

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

  On 1/23/2023 at 2:43 PM, May Day 10 said:

McDermott is fine IMO

 

 

I do think its time for a new defensive scheme.  The whole league has a lot of experience and data points vs the current Bills defense of 5 seasons or whatever.  They need to change their approach and probably coaching/vision.

 

Also need another WR as well as a slot guy if Shakir or McKenzie arent it.  Its Allen and Diggs vs the other team, with Knox getting open from time to time.

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Knox is in helping Brown too much to be the weapon he could be.

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:30 PM, Wayne Cubed said:

 

And I think for me, it's what I find the most frustrating. I can't remember the Bills ever running a quick game offense, this season. I remember we've talked about how getting Josh a few quick completions used to settle him down.

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Week 1 at LAR. It was their "counter Donald" plan. Softened them up with quick game and then when they began to cheat up went deep. It has been M.I.A. since then.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

If only the problems with this team were as simple as Josh Allen making better reads we'd be all set.

Edited January 23, 2023 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Wayne Cubed]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:43 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Week 1 at LAR. It was their "counter Donald" plan. Softened them up with quick game and then when they began to cheat up went deep. It has been M.I.A. since then.  

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Ah yes, I remember that now that you've said that haha. Wow.

[Charles Romes]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:30 PM, Wayne Cubed said:

 

And I think for me, it's what I find the most frustrating. I can't remember the Bills ever running a quick game offense, this season. I remember we've talked about how getting Josh a few quick completions used to settle him down.

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 Versus the Rams week one to neutralize Donald.  It worked to perfection. Then they abandoned it though it should have been featured throughout especially v the Jets. 

[Scott7975]

I dont get this fascination with Sean Payton. The dude hasnt done anything in like 15 years and he had Drew Brees all that time.  As soon as it was obvious his next project QB wasnt going to cut it he "retired."

 

So you guys want to send premium picks on a retread coach that could otherwise be used to put some talent around Josh.  Probably the same people that were banging the table to bring in Gruden out of retirement for years.  How'd that work out for the Raiders?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:43 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Week 1 at LAR. It was their "counter Donald" plan. Softened them up with quick game and then when they began to cheat up went deep. It has been M.I.A. since then.  

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Ironically you would have thought Dorsey would least be capable of calling such a game plan in the infancy of his playcalling year 1...I've heard even Cover 1 in their postgame analysis yesterday comment that Dorsey showed improvement in his playcalling during the season--but I would argue he showed us more the first 4-5 weeks going into the bye, than after, fwiw. 

[BananaB]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:52 PM, Scott7975 said:

I dont get this fascination with Sean Payton. The dude hasnt done anything in like 15 years and he had Drew Brees all that time.  As soon as it was obvious his next project QB wasnt going to cut it he "retired."

 

So you guys want to send premium picks on a retread coach that could otherwise be used to put some talent around Josh.  Probably the same people that were banging the table to bring in Gruden out of retirement for years.  How'd that work out for the Raiders?

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We are wasting premium picks on guys who hardly see the field. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:52 PM, Scott7975 said:

I dont get this fascination with Sean Payton. The dude hasnt done anything in like 15 years and he had Drew Brees all that time.  As soon as it was obvious his next project QB wasnt going to cut it he "retired."

 

So you guys want to send premium picks on a retread coach that could otherwise be used to put some talent around Josh.  Probably the same people that were banging the table to bring in Gruden out of retirement for years.  How'd that work out for the Raiders?

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[The Firebaugh Kid]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:43 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Week 1 at LAR. It was their "counter Donald" plan. Softened them up with quick game and then when they began to cheat up went deep. It has been M.I.A. since then.  

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Wow was Crowder that important? We didn’t see that kind of passing offense for the rest of the year. What I wouldn’t give to go back to week one. Sad

[Fan in Chicago]

  On 1/23/2023 at 1:35 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Anyone else interested? I highly doubt McDermott goes, but should he?

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I posted on another thread. If Beane finally comes to accept that Frazier is the problem, will McD fire him or tell Beane that you have to fire me too? 

[DaggersEOD]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:07 PM, papazoid said:

 

only for the minimum

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Seemed like the best WR on the field yesterday. Drop your petty hate. 

[Nextmanup]

  On 11/14/2022 at 12:40 PM, McBean said:

Let’s hope those internal issues are Brandon Beane finally realizing that Sean McDermott is Doug Collins. I hope Beane takes a look at the 7-2 New York Giants, with way less talent, and realizes what the real problem is. 

Do the right thing Beane and hire a bright offensive minded HC, or we’re going to waste a generational talent in Josh Allen.

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I agree with you, but Josh is NOT a generational talent!  I keep reading this here.

 

I can't think of a generational talent at QB in the NFL in the last....generation...other than maybe Tom Brady.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Nextmanup

[Scott7975]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:58 PM, BananaB said:

We are wasting premium picks on guys who hardly see the field. 

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Agree and I posted something similar in the post game thread.  They need to stop that too.  We dont need a 200 man Dline rotation.  Keeping their legs fresh so they still cant pressure the QB all the while Josh has no talent around him.  First round corners that barely play 50% of the snaps because they on rotation too now. 2nd round picks apparently with not enough talent to see the field.  The only time these guys play rookies is when they are forced to.  Imagine Josh had an Oline that could block instead of a 200 man dline rotation that still cant get to the QB.  Sigh.  I like McD and Beane but premiums are going to waste while we have maybe 3 talented guys on offense. 

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[ArtVandalay]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:28 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

And he is the only upgrade in this field, so I get it. I'd still retain the regime another year, but failure to address their repeating issues - pass rush and oline - and I'd move on. Ben Johnson OC, Detroit.... he is the one I have my eye on. 

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So how many chances to fix their repetitive failures? No player would ever be given this much leeway. Don't you think the players recognize they keep falling short of their goal and is directly related to the coaches? Don't you think the players recognize their staff is not being held remotely to the same standards? 

 

How many more years of Allen are we going to waste? Let's keep in mind he's still developing so now we are hindering his development with no Dabol or other offensive coach with enough knowledge to groom a top tier QB and offensive system.  

 

13 seconds was the final straw, this year was their mercy year to fix it, they didn't.  Time to go.  Accountability. 

[jlgarsh]

What about seeing if Arians wants to come back to coaching? He was good in AZ & Tampa. I know he's in their FO in Tampa, but you never know. Trying to think who else is available and not out of the game for too long.

[SDS]

  On 1/23/2023 at 1:35 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Anyone else interested? I highly doubt McDermott goes, but should he?

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please don’t do this. There is absolutely no reason to resurrect a two month old topic with an incorrect topic title. If you need to reference a pass post you could just embed a link to it.

 

I know I have this on the Sabres site and I believe I have it here too where I ask you in a big orange alert box not to resurrect old posts.

[jlgarsh]

Also, I do think they should re-sign Beasley. He was getting open all game yesterday.

[GunnerBill]

  On 1/23/2023 at 5:53 PM, ArtVandalay said:

So how many chances to fix their repetitive failures? No player would ever be given this much leeway. Don't you think the players recognize they keep falling short of their goal and is directly related to the coaches? Don't you think the players recognize their staff is not being held remotely to the same standards? 

 

How many more years of Allen are we going to waste? Let's keep in mind he's still developing so now we are hindering his development with no Dabol or other offensive coach with enough knowledge to groom a top tier QB and offensive system.  

 

13 seconds was the final straw, this year was their mercy year to fix it, they didn't.  Time to go.  Accountability. 

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I think a lot of things. What I don't do is project my thoughts onto supposing other people think the same things. 

[Big Turk]

  On 1/23/2023 at 3:46 PM, Charles Romes said:

 Versus the Rams week one to neutralize Donald.  It worked to perfection. Then they abandoned it though it should have been featured throughout especially v the Jets. 

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and week 2 against the Titans.