A day later, I'm still in the camp of cleaning house.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Demanding a trade is foolish and won't happen. Expressing deep concern and demanding accountability is right. Josh is a legacy qb, but you only get the rewards with playoff success. The current team and coaching philosophy leaves a lot to be desired to make that happen.

A trade won't happen but absent any incentive or pressure we all know with close to 100% certainty ownership and management won't make any significant and necessary changes. 

[colin]

d meltdowns and bad situational play, that's been the downfall of our team.  we all thought if we could just get home we can make it to the bowl, but we have lost a game at home EVERY YEAR to a physical team in bad weather.  EVERY FLIPPIN YEAR!

 

im sick of this fake tough guy chest out and goofing around while we beat up the sisters of the weak and poor to just hiding when it rains a bit and a team w some blockers (even 3rd stringers like cinci!) comes to town.  we need to sign some butt kickers and we need to ditch frazier.

[stosh64]

50 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Besides Diggs, Josh and Milano I can’t think of any. I want guys that will punch you in the face for looking at them.

Exactly!  One of the top on my list is the super nice, loveable Schnowman.  The guy plays like his personality.  Mushy

 

OL needs a complete rebuild, Offense needs RECEIVERS!  Defense needs much better coaching.  Early in the game Elam was lined up at the line ready to bump and run and stick to his guy like he is good at, when , I don't remember who, someone was yelling at him until he backed up for the 10 yrd cushion.  So tired of the Fraser 'scheme', it's soft, just like so many of our players.  I would be fine with new OC & DC.

 

 

[4th&long]

When a team just lays down like a dead dog like that in a playoff game? Just a few steps from a Super Bowl? Questions need to be asked! Coaches need to go. The players obviously do not believe in the coaches!

[MILFHUNTER#518]

9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I'm done trying to be optimistic. I'm done giving those who talk down the team, pick them to lose a hard time. how wrong I was, very wrong. hung on to hope, false hope that this regime was the one to get the team to the promise land. wrong again.

 

shame is, a QB with the right tools around him could very well get the team there, yet, totally screwed by a GM that hasn't a clue. JA was absolutely picked by the wrong team/franchise. what a waste of a career.

 

I agree, McD is a darn good coach but not one to reach the top and getting close year after year doesn't cut it. so darn good is not good enough, obviously.

 

you know what the real problem is, ownership. some billionaire who has no right owning a nfl franchise, none what so ever. but hey, they're stuck with him and that really sucks to have a ignorant owner who has no clue of the sport, none.

 

no, I'm going back to my days of being my total pessimistic self. no need to have hope nor be optimistic about a team/franchise that will never reach the top. what a waste of  the last 5/6 years of my sundays. sure some of it was fun to watch but at the end of the day, you get yesterdays results.

 

dome stadium, LOL. cincy didn't need a dome. so those who cried dome and now about to get one in a few years can believe all they want that it will give the team a better chance at winning games. good luck with that.

 

as many have mentioned it would take cleaning house from top to bottom and guess what, it still wont bring a championship to buffalo in my opinion. I have no real desire to give my time to the nfl over all. too old to waste time like that, with no reward.

 

time for a nice long break.

 

 

 

have a great off season!

We aren't getting a dome, the new stadium is gonna be open air.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

We aren't getting a dome, the new stadium is gonna be open air.

who's we?  open air, dome, what ever. doesn't matter it will always be the same result. but thanks for the clarification.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

who's we?  open air, dome, what ever. doesn't matter it will always be the same result. but thanks for the clarification.

We the fans of the aforementioned football team, who in conjunction with the Seneca Indian tribe are paying for the new stadium with tax dollars and stolen casino revenues.

 

I understand your frustration,  I am right there with ya bud. I cannot believe there could be this level of frustration in back to back seasons in my lifetime that rival the Super Bowl years. Yet here we are.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

We the fans of the aforementioned football team, who in conjunction with the Seneca Indian tribe are paying for the new stadium with tax dollars and stolen casino revenues.

 

I understand your frustration,  I am right there with ya bud. I cannot believe there could be this level of frustration in back to back seasons in my lifetime that rival the Super Bowl years. Yet here we are.

understood. frustration, that's putting it lightly. shame all that tax money spent on a product that does not deserve it. maybe it'll be good for some concerts or a fair of some sort. 51 years. no reward, just constant heart break year after year after year, after year.

 

take care man, I'm stepping away. as I said I'm too old and blood pressure meds only work so well and don't need the stress as there has been no reward, none.

[Mark Vader]

58 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

4 brutal losses.  You’re forgetting the blown 16-0 lead vs Houston

You mean the game where the back-up officials inserted themselves into a game, which they had no business of doing, and taking a special teams touchdown from us?

[BeastMaster]

I won't watch this team next season if the coaching staff isn't gutted

 

What's the point?

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Reading through all of the comments this morning it’s rare to see such consensus around a topic….on anything these days. We all know it. We can all see it. The Bills are simply not physical enough to beat the better teams week after week in a playoff run. And that’s on BOTH sides of the ball. 
 

The question is will management do anything about it? I, for one, doubt it. 

Then we, the fans have a choice

 

You accept that this team is what it is and support them, or you decide its not and you let them know it.

 

I know where I stand

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I won't watch this team next season if the coaching staff isn't gutted

 

What's the point?

Then we, the fans have a choice

 

You accept that this team is what it is and support them, or you decide its not and you let them know it.

 

I know where I stand

So you’re saying I should look for you in London next October? I’ll be there! I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing for sixty plus years, but with an ever decreasing set of expectations. (I absolutely saw that coming yesterday.)

[GunnerBill]

I am certainly not going to walk away from the team because it can't over the hump and win the Superbowl. If I sat through endless dreadful football I feel like I am owed enjoying watching us play well and win most weeks. Sure, it is frustrating that we can't get over the hump but man this is better that the dirge that we were served for so many years. Such a strange time to be done with the team. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am certainly not going to walk away from the team because it can't over the hump and win the Superbowl. If I sat through endless dreadful football I feel like I am owed enjoying watching us play well and win most weeks. Sure, it is frustrating that we can't get over the hump but man this is better that the dirge that we were served for so many years. Such a strange time to be done with the team. 

Yeah, that wasn't the intent of this thread.

 

I'm not about to give up on the team, not after 40 years of following it.

 

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

 

[HOUSE]

House doesn't need cleaning

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Yeah, that wasn't the intent of this thread.

 

I'm not about to give up on the team, not after 40 years of following it.

 

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

 

 

I know that wasn't directed at you. My responses to you are elsewhere in the thread. I am not at the place of fire people. But I do think this is the point where this regime legitimately has used up much of the credit it gets for the job it has done so far and starts getting more scrutiny for its failure to address repeated issues. Namely: pass rush and offensive live. 

 

(I confess I am also influenced by the fact I hate the idea of giving up a 1st round pick for Sean Payton - a man who himself lost a LOT of playoff games to much less talented teams than his own - and the rest of the potential HC field this hiring season is pretty uninspiring. If the Bills don't sort out some of their issues and Ben Johnson has another year of production as OC in Detroit then I might well feel differently next year). 

Edited January 23, 2023 by GunnerBill

[4th&long]

I’m giving up. I’ve been around since the tail end of the O.J. years. 
 

I didn’t really enjoy the regular season because all that matters to me at this point is the Super Bowl. The regular season to me was just a mere formality to get back to the playoffs and finally win a Super Bowl. And to hear Matt Milano say they were flat and had no juice? ***** them! I’m supposed to cheer for that again? I got better stuff to do with my Sundays!

[Don Otreply]

IMHO, this game essentially proves our defense scheme doesn’t work against top flight teams, and the offensive scheme is on the same train.
    It also proves Leslie Frazier will never get a HCing job, and, that we need to part ways with him, great guy, his coaching scheme is not good, and has proved so for several consecutive seasons.

   As to Dorsey, he is a smart guy but is really predictable in his play calling, the tail end of the season says as much, in that lower tier teams can defend against it and we struggle to win against them by three points.  The relationship between Dorsey and Allen needs to be boss and employee, not buddies playing football, the made bomber QB silliness needs to be reigned in or thing are not going to change season to season.  We will likely have Dorsey for another season in which I can’t see anyone truly wanting him as a HC.

   Yet again the offense was essentially ignored to pump up a D that fails in the clutch moments repeatedly.

   I truly hope Terry Pegula let’s the coaches and FO know in very certain terms that they have plateaued and need to do better, especially on the O-Line and landing a better #2 WR, and slot, and that they better damn well use their draft picks early and often…,  massive waste of a prime opportunity…,  oh well, 

[gobills404]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Besides Diggs, Josh and Milano I can’t think of any. I want guys that will punch you in the face for looking at them. The Bengals have a bunch of those guys (Mixon, Apple, Hilton, Hendrickson) and we have none. You don’t have to like the guys on the team. I have never seen a Mixon jersey here, but they sure as heck are happy to have him today.

Exactly. Can we trade for Mixon?

Or in Mixons case, guys who will punch you in the face for rejecting their advances. Sure you don’t have to like every player, but can we at least draw the line at dudes who assault random women in public?

Edited January 23, 2023 by gobills404

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming.

Sometimes the team builders are not destined to take their teams to the promised land. A lot of people have mentioned Tony Dungy in recent posts, but there are others too. 

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

well, they’re drafting undersized DL.  They’re drafting CB’s that are only zone players.  You can teach someone playing man to play zone, but not really the other way around.  It’s a physical scheme.  Doing this rotational bull#### in the playoffs is disgusting.  Elam missed FOUR drives because of this bull####.  Let the best players play!  That is a coaching issue.  Beane made up a good team, but he CANNOT miss on draft picks anymore.  He simply cannot.  We haven’t had a solid draft since 2018.  

Elam is a man CB.