Neutral Fans thoughts on the game

[PatsFanNH]

Ok I didn’t have a horse in this game but I had a few thoughts on it.

 

1. Running Game - The Bengals had it and the Bills never even tried to establish it. Now in normal weather I can understand this but in snowy conditions like this at least try keep the D honest.

 

2. Screen passes - like running the ball the Bills didn’t sue this till late while the Bengals did it to perfection the entire first half.

 

3. Pass Rush - The Bills were making Burrows move in the first half but he always seemed to find an open receiver when he stepped up in the pocket. Allen was harassed all day, I say that was helped a lot by not doing any sort of run plays or screens.

 

4. injury excuses — Yes the Bills were down 2 DL but the Bengals were down 3 Olineman. Should been advantage Bills.

 

4. Bills looked Emotionally exhausted and just looked tired and out of steam. I say that was especially true of Allen who has to have everything be on him for the O to work with the way it’s called

 

Lastly  Bills fans on here have lost their minds! Allen is still a top 3 QB, The Bills are still a very good team, and this year just seemed to show Allen running out of steam after getting hurt. So to quote Rogers fans here need to RELAX! You still have many more good years ahead.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Bills sucked 🤷🏾‍♂️

[muppy]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Bills sucked 🤷🏾‍♂️

*****POUTS*************** Booooooooooooooooooo Concur but Boooooooooo

[boyst]

34 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok I didn’t have a horse in this game but I had a few thoughts on it.

 

1. Running Game - The Bengals had it and the Bills never even tried to establish it. Now in normal weather I can understand this but in snowy conditions like this at least try keep the D honest.

 

2. Screen passes - like running the ball the Bills didn’t sue this till late while the Bengals did it to perfection the entire first half.

 

3. Pass Rush - The Bills were making Burrows move in the first half but he always seemed to find an open receiver when he stepped up in the pocket. Allen was harassed all day, I say that was helped a lot by not doing any sort of run plays or screens.

 

4. injury excuses — Yes the Bills were down 2 DL but the Bengals were down 3 Olineman. Should been advantage Bills.

 

4. Bills looked Emotionally exhausted and just looked tired and out of steam. I say that was especially true of Allen who has to have everything be on him for the O to work with the way it’s called

 

Lastly  Bills fans on here have lost their minds! Allen is still a top 3 QB, The Bills are still a very good team, and this year just seemed to show Allen running out of steam after getting hurt. So to quote Rogers fans here need to RELAX! You still have many more good years ahead.

Cant get to the QB if he can complete a pass in less than 2 seconds to a target making only a 5 yard route.

[Ralonzo]

48 minutes ago, boyst said:

Cant get to the QB if he can complete a pass in less than 2 seconds to a target making only a 5 yard route.

 

Particular if they know your DC is just gonna keep running the basic scheme and not adjust for it.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok I didn’t have a horse in this game but I had a few thoughts on it.

 

 

 

Why do you keep repeatedly posting threads in the Off the Wall non-football section that I have to keep relocating?

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok I didn’t have a horse in this game but I had a few thoughts on it.

 

1. Running Game - The Bengals had it and the Bills never even tried to establish it. Now in normal weather I can understand this but in snowy conditions like this at least try keep the D honest.

 

2. Screen passes - like running the ball the Bills didn’t sue this till late while the Bengals did it to perfection the entire first half.

 

3. Pass Rush - The Bills were making Burrows move in the first half but he always seemed to find an open receiver when he stepped up in the pocket. Allen was harassed all day, I say that was helped a lot by not doing any sort of run plays or screens.

 

4. injury excuses — Yes the Bills were down 2 DL but the Bengals were down 3 Olineman. Should been advantage Bills.

 

4. Bills looked Emotionally exhausted and just looked tired and out of steam. I say that was especially true of Allen who has to have everything be on him for the O to work with the way it’s called

 

Lastly  Bills fans on here have lost their minds! Allen is still a top 3 QB, The Bills are still a very good team, and this year just seemed to show Allen running out of steam after getting hurt. So to quote Rogers fans here need to RELAX! You still have many more good years ahead.

 

#4 is the main thing I took out of it. They looked spent. Once you get to the point where there is nothing left to give it manifests itself physically and it was obvious both on the field and in the interviews where so many players said they had no energy today.

 

Nothing else really matters because the team wasn't winning today no matter what they did or tried.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk

[PatsFanNH]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Why do you keep repeatedly posting threads in the Off the Wall non-football section that I have to keep relocating?

My mistake is why

[Ray Stonada]

I agree with your assessment, OP. The lack of easy passes and screens and checkdowns is screamingly obvious. 

 

If you rewatch the Pats playoff "perfect" game from last year (sorry, OP, that might be painful!), you see that the Bills' drives were peppered with dump-offs to Singletary and Singletary runs that went for 6-8 yards a pop. We never went bombs away, even though the line kept Allen much cleaner.

 

The weird thing is that this year our line played much worse and yet Allen and Dorsey didn't slow down the rush with... screens, dump-offs and runs. What the heck!

 

Also agree with Big Turk that this team was flat and exhausted.

 

And your final point really nailed it, OP. Joshua Allen is 26 years old. We will be back for many more seasons. Buffalo needs to make life easier for him, and he needs to let them, and then we will start to dominate on offense again like last year's playoffs.

 

 

[Governor]

I like buying a house you really like and finding out it has termite damage. The bones are bad. You can’t fix it without tearing it down. 

[BRH]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

Cant get to the QB if he can complete a pass in less than 2 seconds to a target making only a 5 yard route.

especially when your corners are playing ten yards off the line.

 

[thenorthremembers]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

Cant get to the QB if he can complete a pass in less than 2 seconds to a target making only a 5 yard route.

So drop everyone into coverage or bring the house but don't try exotic delayed blitzes that don't get there anyways.

[extrahammer]

 

I wondered when they came out so flat and had no real energy if they had just been too burnt on the season. Physically with injuries, mentally with all the adversities, and emotionally too. At the same time we looked so unprepared. IMO that's on coaching. The defense looked hapless for the entire game. 

 

Offense play-calling should be held to account too. Too many games we lacked any creativity on offense. I can't remember any qb design run yesterday, even though we should also be creative outside of Josh making plays with the ball. No screens except the one to Beasley again. Not sure if they've given too much autonomy on offense to Josh because it could be a reigning him in type of thing. 

 

I would be fine if Frazier and Dorsey are replaced. Josh needs an offensive guru with experience in NFL play-calling. I think that's what Daboll brought him. 

 

I think the issues last year with McD are the same this year. You can judge him all you want on the 31 NFL coaches, but I grade him next to the ones who have won Super Bowls, and I think the same issue with game management is a problem. The timeout usage in the playoffs was different than the regular season from what I remember, it got funky in the postseason. IMO it's obvious we get outcoached in games like yesterday, and like the Dolphins wild card game -- even though we won. I just don't think McD has enough experience to coach against Andy Reid and other coaches with similar experience. That being said, Beane nor the Pegulas would hold him to that level of account, and wouldn't make any change with him unless he's not making the playoffs. This offseason will be the most important one since Beane and McD have been here. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by extrahammer

[Trekking]

Bills fans aren’t going crazy reactive. There has been legitimate criticisms for years with these coaches but the Bills have had it all muted because they’re winning and nobody wants the drought ever again. 
 

But when it came time to put it all up all those criticisms came to life and Allen couldn’t hero it anymore. 
 

The coaching staff all needs gone. It’s 7am and they haven’t been fired yet, what gives. Jesse doesn’t play until tomorrow, plenty of time to clean house. 

[LABILLBACKER]

21 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

I agree with your assessment, OP. The lack of easy passes and screens and checkdowns is screamingly obvious. 

 

If you rewatch the Pats playoff "perfect" game from last year (sorry, OP, that might be painful!), you see that the Bills' drives were peppered with dump-offs to Singletary and Singletary runs that went for 6-8 yards a pop. We never went bombs away, even though the line kept Allen much cleaner.

 

The weird thing is that this year our line played much worse and yet Allen and Dorsey didn't slow down the rush with... screens, dump-offs and runs. What the heck!

 

Also agree with Big Turk that this team was flat and exhausted.

 

And your final point really nailed it, OP. Joshua Allen is 26 years old. We will be back for many more seasons. Buffalo needs to make life easier for him, and he needs to let them, and then we will start to dominate on offense again like last year's playoffs.

 

 

Clearly Dorsey & Kromer didn't live up to expectations.  The play calling was poor and the 27th ranked OL even worse. Factor that in with a terrible defensive scheme and an emotionally exhausted team and that's what you're going to get. 

[Nitro]

I concur that this long season and its issues ending with the Hamlin injury, the team looked emotionally drained.  

[Ray Stonada]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Clearly Dorsey & Kromer didn't live up to expectations.  The play calling was poor and the 27th ranked OL even worse. Factor that in with a terrible defensive scheme and an emotionally exhausted team and that's what you're going to get. 

 

Yup. Our O-line was really bad a lot this year, and Allen camouflaged it by making crazy plays out of nothing. But Allen got happy feet in the process and stopped trusting the ordinary bread-and-butter plays that you need to win. 

 

[Boatdrinks]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

Cant get to the QB if he can complete a pass in less than 2 seconds to a target making only a 5 yard route.

This ^^^ Bills didn’t cover throw to the flat all afternoon. Bengals ran a copy of the Wilson QB’d Jets game plan and the Bills defense still had no idea how to stop it. Tackling was atrocious and no one could shed blocks. Just an absolute embarrassment vs scrub OL. 

[JerseyBills]

They haven't had a screen or underneath game all year and it's infuriating. 

I hated the long shot to Diggs on the first drive. Even though he was open, it's just a low percentage play and we only needed 2 or 3 yards. Prefer that on early downs or with a lead. Especially after the Bengals went right down the field on the 1st drive. Felt they should have played it safe there to extend the drive 

[Dr. Who]

I really wish we could be in on the Sean Payton sweepstakes.