We are in HC purgatory

[Dr.Sack]

DL and OL are 50% of the battle in the NFL. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

My favorites so far are he is in danger of being the next Marvin Lewis, the guy who never won a playoff game.

 

Or stuck with Tony Dungy 2.0- The HOF, Super Bowl Winning Coach

 

or just like Mike Tomlin the Super Bowl Winning Coach...

 

My lord.

Dungy 2.0 of course refers to his inability to win a SB with Tampa and the fact Gruden won the SB first year with the same players. 

Dungy failed for several years with Manning too. It took Manning refusing to leave the field on 4th down when Dungy was going to punt to finally make the SB, where they beat one of the worst SB teams in NFL history.  

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Blazman11 said:

Yes I would. With Hall and Kelce. Absolutely. But you keep changing your argument. Reid’s 6th season was 14 years ago. Your argument is it takes a coach 20 years on the job to win it all. 
 

‘McDermott has done some awesome things. He was absolutely the right coach at the time he was hired. These guys supposedly put in 80 hour weeks during the season. McDermott has been in football for a very long time. The time for him to learn should’ve ended after the AFC Championship loss. And while he’s improved in many areas he still comes up woefully short in game planning and execution during the playoffs.  

I meant 6th season as Chiefs HC. Pay better attention before telling me I'm changing my argument. My argument is not that it takes 20 years for a coach to win it all. It's that sometimes, even the greatest coaches take longer than others

Edited January 23, 2023 by Buffalo03

[CEN-CAL17]

41 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott.  McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. 

This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. 

Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead?

McD needs to grab Reich or even Greg Roman. Set a standard of being able to run the ball with Play Action.

 

Defensively… it’s just the scheme. Which probably won’t change cause of McD.

 

Lond story short, Josh Allen can’t win in this situation. Offense sucks, scheme sucks, OL sucks, no real weapons outside Diggs. Where it should be the exact opposite. Imagine JA on the 49ers!

[CoudyBills]

1 minute ago, Baba Booey said:

Dude, Seahawks was the chin coaching 

Yep, my bad

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Dungy 2.0 of course refers to his inability to win a SB with Tampa and the fact Gruden won the SB first year with the same players. 

Dungy failed for several years with Manning too. It took Manning refusing to leave the field on 4th down when Dungy was going to punt to finally make the SB, where they beat one of the worst SB teams in NFL history.  

 

Ok, where is our Gruden wandering around?

[Donuts and Doritos]

He's Marty Schottenheimer, great most of the season, but comes up short in the playoffs.

 

Hopefully we don't wait too long to realize this like the Chargers did when he coaches Rivers & company.

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

44 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

This is 100% correct.  

 

McD is to Bflo as Tomlin is to Pittsburgh.

 

"Good enough" is good enough.

 

You do know that Tomlin has a SB ring and no losing season in 18 years correct? What HC is coming in and beating that? 

[PBF81]

38 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

This is 100% correct.  

 

McD is to Bflo as Tomlin is to Pittsburgh.

 

"Good enough" is good enough.

Marvin Lewis with Cinci.  

 

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, Blazman11 said:

Yes I would. With Hall and Kelce. Absolutely. But you keep changing your argument. Reid’s 6th season was 14 years ago. Your argument is it takes a coach 20 years on the job to win it all. 
 

‘McDermott has done some awesome things. He was absolutely the right coach at the time he was hired. These guys supposedly put in 80 hour weeks during the season. McDermott has been in football for a very long time. The time for him to learn should’ve ended after the AFC Championship loss. And while he’s improved in many areas he still comes up woefully short in game planning and execution during the playoffs.  

I acknowledged numerous times it took him over 20 years to win his first, in what way does that make you think I would go back to his 6th year in Philly when he clearly didn't win it then and by the way, if you fired him after his 6th year in KC, you may not get that Super Bowl he helped you win in year 7 or get back to it again in year 8

3 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

He's Marty Schottenheimer, great most of the season, but comes up short in the playoffs.

 

Hopefully we don't wait too long to realize this like the Chargers did when he coaches Rivers & company.

 

Marty Schottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs. McDermott is 4-5

[DuckyBoys]

lets be honest they are riding the Josh Allen train  With Keenum we win 4 or 5 games with this roster  KC didnt look dramatically diff w Mahomes crippled nor w Chad Henne  There roster is solid and with that O line they could still complete  We have weaksauce defense that gets exposed every playoffs and a offense that is too dependant on the qb to make spectacular plays

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Sean McShottenheimer 

[bobobonators]

Im fine with McD being our HC as long as Frazier is gone, AND McD acknowledges he is the HC and not the DC of this team. That means he hires someone who may change the DNA of this defense - which is what we need.
 

Part of being a great leader is recognizing what and who to delegate things to. 
 

Im also very unsure of Dorsey. Id be willing to give him one more year. But Frazier has to go. 
 

Beane needs to speak to how we have invested so many resources to the DL and they’re so underwhelming. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

McD needs to grab Reich or even Greg Roman. Set a standard of being able to run the ball with Play Action.

 

Defensively… it’s just the scheme. Which probably won’t change cause of McD.

 

Lond story short, Josh Allen can’t win in this situation. Offense sucks, scheme sucks, OL sucks, no real weapons outside Diggs. Where it should be the exact opposite. Imagine JA on the 49ers!

Josh on the Niners would be multiple Lombardis. I would love for Reich to take over for Dorsey and we need a new dynamic DC willing to use man coverage more. But like the word purgatory,  nothing will change.  

[jcamm1966]

9 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

He's Marty Schottenheimer, great most of the season, but comes up short in the playoffs.

 

Hopefully we don't wait too long to realize this like the Chargers did when he coaches Rivers & company.

 

Marvin Lewis clone

[Donuts and Doritos]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Marty Schottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs. McDermott is 4-5

 

Right, give it time. There's always next year (AFC game KC dominated), & next year (13 seconds), & next year (Cincy dominates) & next year & next year. By the time you realize that's who he is Josh's best years will be behind him. 

[thenorthremembers]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Dungy 2.0 of course refers to his inability to win a SB with Tampa and the fact Gruden won the SB first year with the same players. 

Dungy failed for several years with Manning too. It took Manning refusing to leave the field on 4th down when Dungy was going to punt to finally make the SB, where they beat one of the worst SB teams in NFL history.  

Explain away but using a Hall of Fame Coaches name to draw a parallel to another coach in a manner of disrespect is not only asinine it also invalidates your argument. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

The problem is McD is a defensive coach, so even in a world where they find the perfect OC to right the ship, they will inevitably lose him to a HC gig elsewhere and we are back to square 1.

 

McD is a great leader of men. I am not so sure he is a great football mind.

Edited January 23, 2023 by EmotionallyUnstable

[bobobonators]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh on the Niners would be multiple Lombardis. I would love for Reich to take over for Dorsey and we need a new dynamic DC willing to use man coverage more. But like the word purgatory,  nothing will change.  

Something has to change on defense. Burrow and Mahomes are not going anywhere. Lawrence will only get better. We cant play bend dont break zone defense vs QB’s like that. 3rd and 10 wont mean anything. They will carve us up and win TOP 9 out of 10 times. It puts so much pressure on our offense to be perfect. 

[HappyDays]

One thing I will criticize this coaching staff for is their gameplans appear to be generic on both sides of the ball, no attempt to attack opponents' specific weaknesses. On defense it is always play back and hope the opponent makes mistakes even when we face an offense that will not make mistakes. On offense it's trust our OL to pass protection long enough for our mediocre pass catchers to get open way downfield even when the opposing DL is getting home. And I think what's happening is that our generic gameplan looks really good against poor teams but falls way short against good teams, and then it's just a matter of Allen either willing us to victory or not. The other remaining teams have more than one way to win. McDermott and his coordinators have to open up their horizons. They cannot afford to be stubborn again because after next season their jobs are no longer inherently safe.

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by HappyDays