Franchise in trouble- Josh Allen has regressed

[billieve420]

Anarumo schooled Dorsey who never could get Allen in a rhythm. Allen is partially to blame as well but that is because he is asked to carry team and make those highlight reel plays. We had no counter to what Cincy was doing so plenty of improvement to go around next season. Shame we don't see that level of creativity on defense who let Burrows  do whatever he wanted with little resistance.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2023/lou-anarumo-cincinnatis-defensive-wizard

Edited January 25, 2023 by billieve420

[harmonkillebrew]

Time to build around Josh. Invest in the Offense. 

Everything else is secondary

[Dr.Sack]

Imagine if Allen had a OC for a head coach and 4 Pro Bowl caliber WRs and TE. 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Imagine if Allen had a OC for a head coach and 4 Pro Bowl caliber WRs and TE. 

Imagine if Allen had a qualified OC....
Sorry Ken , but you were not ready and still are not. Obviously

[Dr.Sack]

7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Imagine if Allen had a qualified OC....
Sorry Ken , but you were not ready and still are not. Obviously

Dorsey is 42. We have Sean McVay becoming a HC at age 30 and winning a SB by age 36. Is Dorsey capable of catching up to these younger whipper snappers? 

[Golden]

-69% of the offensive plays, our receivers were covered up.

-Anarumo staggered his blitzes & ran them from deep in their defense causing blitzing players coming in at full speed 

-The Bengals had our o line confused

-Tell me how Josh has regressed 

[AlfaBill]

Anyone who thinks Josh has regressed should go watch lawn bowling as they clearly have no clue as to what they’re talking about. Either that or it’s trolling, and not very good one at that. 

[Meatloaf63]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:51 PM, Ya Digg? said:

So you’re pinning this on Allen? Guys aren’t schemes open, the defense has no teeth, the lines are terrible. Despite all that Allen still had 40+ touchdowns and is the reason they won the division again. His stats were nearly identical to last year, so how exactly did he regress? 
 

He’s the QB so he gets blame for the loss, but name a QB outside of Mahomes and maybe Burrow you would take? If he has regressed you should easily be able to name 5-6 at least (and please name Herbert so it can rip that one to shreds)

He’s ignorantly trolling, should be obvious by now…

[transplantbillsfan]

Shut up. 

 

This offseason is going to suck.

 

Josh Allen has done more with less for 3 or 4 more years than Mahomes and 2 more years than Burrow.

 

Sooo... this was his "down year" (yeah why not disregard elbow injury and Tops and Hyde injury and Miller injury and no Beasley and Davis drops and new OC and 2 major weather issues and Damar and...) and yet Allen had 42 TDs (2 more than Burrow in the same number of games and 3 less than Mahomes in 1 fewer game despite being on the bench for close to 3 full quarters in the Titans and Steelers games) and over 5000 friggin yards!!!! I shouldn't even have to mention how crazy that number is for 16 games!!! 

 

Allen had a down year strictly because of turnovers. Yes, that was a problem. But maybe part of that was gameplan, coaching and offensive talent.

 

As a Bills fan you should worry about everything around Josh Allen at this point. 

9 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

It seemed to matter when they almost (should have) lost to Baltimore and Huntley, scoring 17 on offense in the process. 8 QB hits and 4 sacks. 
 

 

Yep. Hope Frazier is gone. Straw that broke the Camel's back.

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Imagine if Allen had a OC for a head coach and 4 Pro Bowl caliber WRs and TE. 

I can imagine!  We'd still be playing football, and all the kool-aid drinkers that predominate this forum would still be here and participating!

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Imagine if Allen had a OC for a head coach and 4 Pro Bowl caliber WRs and TE. 

A lot of head coach OCs get fired also. That’s one narrative this year that is dumb. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Xwnyer]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:31 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

Lol they literally gave him no help and asked him to carry the entire team on his back and he almost did it.

They drafted Cook and traded for Haines yet refused to figure out how to utilize their skills in this offense.  Total disregard for the running game to take pressure off. Coaching is the problem unless the QB is overriding the play calls.  Plus we became way to predictable I would see Davis come in motion and stop near the end of the line and knew it was a run play.  If average football viewers can see what’s coming I am sure DCs and players saw the same on film.  All year folks felt Dorsey was not showing his hand however what we saw is he had a pair of 2’s and nothing else 

[Coach Tuesday]

On 1/23/2023 at 8:26 AM, KDIGGZ said:

This is my opinion and it will upset some people but these are the facts: Josh does not take his job seriously. Here's why...

 

1. No diet plan. Has said he eats whatever he wants and his favorite is Bar Bill wings and beer. That's cool if you are a 40 year old poster on TBD but not cool if you are a world class athlete.

 

2. Does not work out. He said he doesn't lift weights with his upper body at all and said he is not a regular at the gym. That's fine if you don't want to get too bulky up top but that doesn't mean you don't work out at all. You can do band work, light weight, yoga, pilates, lots of ways to work your body without getting bulky.

 

3. Does not take advice from mentors. He has been told by Brady, Rodgers, pretty much every media person and fan that he needs to take care of his body and not take as many hits. Case Keenum said if he slid he would wear just his jock strap to a meeting and he that was one of the only times he slid this year.

 

4. Plays too much hero ball. This is a mix of him and the OC. It's arm arrogance as they say. Just because you can doesn't mean you should make some of these throws. Instead of taking the wide open RB in the flat, he will try and push the ball down the field even when nobody is open or he will hang on to the ball and scramble. This is not necessary when we are already winning or if it's early in the game. Just hit the RB for 5 yards and live to play another down. I think this is a mental thing and can be fixed. Josh was asked if he ever tried a sports psychologist or hypnotist and he said no.

 

5. Not focused. The year he made his big jump was the COVID year. He was in lockdown in socal with Jordan Palmer and trained every single day and had no distractions. This past off-season he was building his new house and traveling and shooting commercials and did not train in socal. If you check their social media then you can't imagine he was doing much of anything besides golfing and traveling.

 

People on this forum won't like this but there is a book by the greatest player ever at Josh's position and it's more or less a blueprint on how to do it. It's called the TB12 Method and it gives every detail of what he does to be successful. Josh does none of that stuff. He's talented so why bother right? Or does it show that he's just not willing to put in the work?

IF all of that is true, he’ll quickly deteriorate like Big Ben did.

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

IF all of that is true, he’ll quickly deteriorate like Big Ben did.

 

If that were all true, he never would have made the NFL in the first place.

[T master]

One game does not make a QB's career . I'm sure if we were to look back you can find games like this for Montanna, Marino, Kelly, Farve, Mahomes, & Brady so i will not go the route you are taking here .

 

There was a lot more to the out come of this game than just Josh ! There is one thing that has been happening ever since Josh has shown the world to be a elite QB is that every time something goes wrong they expect him to pick up the entire team & carry them to the win & he can't do that every single time the team needs that .

 

I can personally remember games where Brady had pressure in his face by a really good D and he sucked those games Josh will be fine !! 

Edited January 26, 2023 by T master

[WNYFAN1]

Was Allen's 2020 regular season performance the high water mark of his career? Time will tell.

[SoCal Deek]

Josh simply needs a coach that tells him to take the open option. It’s not hard! All of the other great QBS have learned to do it. Just watch Mahomes dump it down to Kelce a hundred times per game. The problem is if our coaches are the ones telling him NOT to do it. If that’s the case we have a big problem. 

[John from Riverside]

I mean a dislike doesn’t really say enough about how I feel about this post

[TheFunPolice]

Something is off. Either Dorsey is telling Allen to throw to the wide open guys underneath and he isn't, or he isn't seeing them, or he feels so much pressure to make plays that he throws bombs on 3rd and 2 and we punt instead of moving the chains. 

 

Some say "but that stats!" This year's offense was boom or bust. Some days Allen hit the long balls and ended up with close to 400 yards. Other days when they weren't there it was 150 yards. 

 

Dorsey/Allen together seem to run an offense that's 1, 3, 0, 0, 1, 0, 45, 30, 0, 1, 3, 65, 0, 1, 2, yards

 

We need more consistency to beat the good teams in the playoffs. 

 

We all love Allen, but I worry that he is not listening to the coaches, because I cannot believe for a second that Dorsey or someone on the staff isn't pointing out the wide open guys underneath that he needs to throw to when they review film or even during games on the tablet. 

 

Maybe his buddy OC needs to get fired to send  Josh a message. You haven't figured it all out, and if you want to win you need to listen to us. 

 

Maybe he needs a tough coach who will speak truth. You got your buddy fired because you would not listen. BTW you haven't won jack squat in this league. You haven't even been to a Super Bowl. 

 

Holmgren was a freaking taskmaster with Favre. Maybe Allen needs a coach like that who will get on him when he decides to tune out the coaches. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[RyanC883]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:33 PM, MAJBobby said:

So glad they got run out of the stadium if they were losing. Exposes how bad the construction of this team is. Need a real OL, Real WR2  protect Josh and Give Josh weapons. We have the worst Weapons group in the playoffs this year and one of the worst OLs. Stop spending All you premier assets in Defense. They are irrelevant in the Modern NFL when facing a top end Offense.

 

agreed.  particularly when spending assets on D gets you Basham, overrated Groot (a good complementary DE), and AJ.