I’m over this defensive scheme. Bring in a new DC.

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I feel like they are running Frazier's scheme above all else. McDermott's teams in Carolina spent a lot of time in 4-3 under looks. McDermott is a disciple of Jim Johnson, attacking blitzing defenses and wide nine, 4-3 under concepts. How we became this full time 4-2-5 base feels more like a Frazier thing...Tampa 2 bend but don't break. The scheme is not exotic and the players are ok.

 

If you are not exotic, you have to win one on ones, and our talent defensively is just not there. Watch Fred Warner carry CeeDee Lamb up the seam and imagive Tremaine doing the same? Taron Johnson getting smashed because teams are scheming ways to attack him in the run game as the third LB. 

 

I think they need to bring in Steve Wilks. He is the missing piece on the staff imo. He comes from McDermott's scheme and he has run 4-3s, 3-4 concepts and has adjusted to his personnel. Above all else, Wilks is just as respected by the players as Frazier is. I would also be excited about a guy like Brian Flores. 

 

I truly believe that this is not McDermott's scheme we are watching. It doesn't remove blame, but I can't believe he would be this passive when compared to other Jim Johnson disciples in Steve Spagnolo, Ron Rivera and John Harbaugh. It wasn't like this in Carolina. McDermott was never a big blitzer, but he was more exotic with his fronts and coverages in Carolina. 

 

Look back at all the articles that were written when McDermott was hired and what we should expect. It is nothing like what we got. 

 

https://www.cover1.net/sean-mcdermotts-defensive-philosophy-detail-oriented/

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/06/growing-pains-breaking-down-the-bills-transition-to-sean-mcdermotts-4-3-defense/

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/12/14236950/sean-mcdermott-buffalo-bills-head-coach-4-3-defense-all-22

 

I am not defending Sean, and I love Leslie Frazier, but at this point Frazier has to go. There are a number of DC's avalable at the moment who are better than him. Mutually agree to part ways and go from there. 

McDermott had Luke Keachley at MLB. Edmunds not nearly as talented. Toss in Taron Johnson is a good nickel CB but isn't a true big nickel in the Thomas Davis/Shaq Thompson sense. 

[BananaB]

10 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Nope. The issue is lack of talent and a sound defensive philosophy.  You can play aggressive all day but if you have JAGs and hobbled DBs coming back from ACL surgery on your defense , they won't put up much of a fight against more talented players.

What are JAGs

[Big Turk]

Is it really the scheme? Or is it they just get super passive in the playoffs instead of being aggressive like the regular season?

 

How else do you explain them holding KC to 20 points twice in the regular season but then allowing 38 and 42 points to the same team in the playoffs?

[Simon]

Just now, BananaB said:

What are JAGs

 

Just

Another

Guy

 

i.e. a marginally average player

[Big Turk]

Just now, BananaB said:

What are JAGs

 

JAG = Just A Guy 

 

Basically an average player

 

 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, BananaB said:

What are JAGs

Just Average Guys.

[Scott7975]

Sadly I think someone has to go.  It isnt going to be McDermott. With all the resources poured into this defense year after year and watching it be dog**** in the playoffs year after year... something has to change.  Josh Allen is not going to will this team to a SB by himself.  They need to put resources in offense.  Other teams do that and still have a better playoff defense than we have.  Either Beane/McDermott is a terrible talent evaluator/drafter, this defense just aint it anymore, or both.  Something has to give.

 

I dont want to hear during the off season on how we just need a couple more pieces on defense.  That ship has sailed.  No other team spends this much on defense and a lot of defenses are way better than ours.  I think that this D would have done a lot better with Hyde and Von playing but we cant just fail a season over a couple injuries.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, nosejob said:

Well whose is it? Let's get an answer here. Someone step up. Is McD a puppetmaster? or is he being a sub to an elder who (may or may not have some dirt on him). For the life of me I can't see it being anything but the latter. If I'm wrong we got bigger problems than a D.C.

 

Edit: Of course if I'm right or wrong, we're in the same boat. In any case, the axe needs to swing.

The Bills defense sure looks an awful lot like Carolina’s did when McDermott was DC. And fair point on the edit. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

McDermott had Luke Keachley at MLB. Edmunds not nearly as talented. Toss in Taron Johnson is a good nickel CB but isn't a true big nickel in the Thomas Davis/Shaq Thompson sense. 

Just remember, if you change defensive schemes, you have to have the players to be able to run it. It’s not that simple.
 

I really would like to see more press man corners, though what in the ***** were we doing giving up 8 yard cushions in that game whenever they had no intentions of throwing deep

[Eastport bills]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:14 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs?

Not everyone, just a DC who’s scheme with the same personnel has failed miserably in playoff games that end our season. If you ignore this what can we expect going forward.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Eastport bills said:

Not everyone, just a DC who’s scheme with the same personnel has failed miserably in playoff games that end our season. If you ignore this what can we expect going forward.

I’m 50/50, coaching/players being responsible for the defensive playoff failures. I hate that Von Miller wasn’t available. The reason being is we knew these players weren’t good enough so we added Von. Von was the only major change. 
 

Changes will definitely happen with the starting roster due to cap. I think we’re going to see defensive coaching changes, not sure what level. Could be position coaches.

 

The defense will look different next year no matter what we do. 

[Billzgobowlin]

This defense is really good but it's just not creative and with the attrition on defense most of the year the best way to make up for it is to do something different like the Bengals did.  I think Leslie is a sound DC, probably one of the best in the league but he has very little to add with creativity.

[nosejob]

14 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

The Bills defense sure looks an awful lot like Carolina’s did when McDermott was DC. And fair point on the edit. 

THE BOTTOM LINE The Bengals knew exactly what Defense we were going to run and to a large extent our offensive tendencies as well. SO...they adapted their game plan and kicked our ass. Until we get a D.C. who is capable of adapting specific to opponents, we will see this over and over. I'm not about firing Dorsey, but omg, you all knew what the forecast was weather wise, yet had no plan B. Absolutely pathetic coaching. I'll give Dorsey a pass, because I'm certain he'll improve and learn, but someone with Fraziers experience screams the old dog /new tricks thing. I wouldn't hire him at the college level. He should retire.

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, nosejob said:

THE BOTTOM LINE The Bengals knew exactly what Defense we were going to run and to a large extent our offensive tendencies as well. SO...they adapted their game plan and kicked our ass. Until we get a D.C. who is capable of adapting specific to opponents, we will see this over and over. I'm not about firing Dorsey, but omg, you all knew what the forecast was weather wise, yet had no plan B. Absolutely pathetic coaching. I'll give Dorsey a pass, because I'm certain he'll improve and learn, but someone with Fraziers experience screams the old dog /new tricks thing. I wouldn't hire him at the college level. He should retire.

Are you saying you’re not on board with the nickel defense Frazier runs no matter who they’re defending? 😂 

[Mark92]

Plain and simple it doesn't get it done in the playoffs.  Stop doing this *****.  It's time for a fresh face.