Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 A good objective write up for the non sycophantic adults in the room https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/republican-debt-ceiling-plan-cuts-veterans-benefits-fact-check/536-0a0349b7-d695-4d11-b8cb-4da0bd417da8 3
nedboy7 Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A good objective write up for the non sycophantic adults in the room https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/republican-debt-ceiling-plan-cuts-veterans-benefits-fact-check/536-0a0349b7-d695-4d11-b8cb-4da0bd417da8 So we dont know where the cuts are coming from but it's not from the VA?
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 All these arguments about how nothing can be cut remind me of my crazy sister-in-law when confronted by the fact she could no longer afford to live her previous lifestyle refused to acknowledge the reality she couldn't keep spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave. In the case of the US debt the government is the crazy sister-in-law. But that's the premise behind never ending debt and deficit accumulation. We can't cut anything because somebody will suffer but heaven forbid Americans that comprise 5% of the world's population but consume 25% of its output, and have the highest debt levels in the world should ever be forced to live within their means. Be sure soon enough it will happen but when it does it won't be voluntary or painless. 1
B-Man Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A good objective write up for the non sycophantic adults in the room https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/republican-debt-ceiling-plan-cuts-veterans-benefits-fact-check/536-0a0349b7-d695-4d11-b8cb-4da0bd417da8 18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: So we dont know where the cuts are coming from but it's not from the VA? Someone can't read very well. . 3
Roundybout Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A good objective write up for the non sycophantic adults in the room https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/republican-debt-ceiling-plan-cuts-veterans-benefits-fact-check/536-0a0349b7-d695-4d11-b8cb-4da0bd417da8 So if I read this right, there’s nothing in the budget about cutting VA allotments specifically, but the Department of VA is expecting it?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: So we dont know where the cuts are coming from but it's not from the VA? Exactly. They passed a reduction in the total spend not how. The hand wringing over VA benefits was the opponents and media tying the reduction to something loud emotional and painful for maximum outrage- playing the proletariate like a fiddle. Sure it’s BS for them to do that and then take defense cuts off of the table but they’ve got their friends to placate too For those of you outside of business that’s a pretty standard operating procedure. “We are cutting this years budgets by 10%… you go figure out how.” Just now, Roundybout said: So if I read this right, there’s nothing in the budget about cutting VA allotments specifically, but the Department of VA is expecting it? certainly plausible as they are a component of the discretionary budget, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that was explicit in the budget passed. That’s a lie, intentionally so. they could fine all the reductions elsewhere 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: see how the marketing spin is hard at work? 2
nedboy7 Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Someone can't read very well. . Yeah. You. Wtf. 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Exactly. They passed a reduction in the total spend not how. The hand wringing over VA benefits was the opponents and media tying the reduction to something loud emotional and painful for maximum outrage- playing the proletariate like a fiddle. Sure it’s BS for them to do that and then take defense cuts off of the table but they’ve got their friends to placate too For those of you outside of business that’s a pretty standard operating procedure. “We are cutting this years budgets by 10%… you go figure out how.” certainly plausible as they are a component of the discretionary budget, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that was explicit in the budget passed. That’s a lie, intentionally so. they could fine all the reductions elsewhere see how the marketing spin is hard at work? so if your response is “exactly” why can’t @B-Man wrap his brain around it. Is this like when the GOP and SC we’re gonna stop at just giving abortion rights back to the states? Edited May 5, 2023 by nedboy7 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Yeah. You. Wtf. so if your response is “exactly” why can’t @B-Man wrap his brain around it. Is this like when the GOP and SC we’re gonna stop at just giving abortion rights back to the states? that might be on me … feeling extra supportive today. I even tried to help tibs get off the government teat. Between us, the “able to lift 75lbs” in the JD had me concerned. I almost reached out to hr to see if it was a typeo and/or a firm requirement but he didn’t seem into it. 1
Pokebball Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: So if I read this right, there’s nothing in the budget about cutting VA allotments specifically, but the Department of VA is expecting it? VA expects the cuts will be across the board, evenly, and then further assumes defense won't get any of it. Their second assumption might be reasonable. Their first assumption probably isn't. IMO anyways 2
B-Man Posted May 8, 2023 Posted May 8, 2023 BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD : Biden using the 14th Amendment to bypass Congress and the debt ceiling? Yeah, that's horseshit. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3992673-14th-amendment-emerges-as-last-ditch-fix-to-ward-off-default/ 2
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 23 hours ago, B-Man said: BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD : Biden using the 14th Amendment to bypass Congress and the debt ceiling? Yeah, that's horseshit. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3992673-14th-amendment-emerges-as-last-ditch-fix-to-ward-off-default/ That's a weak Constitutional argument and likely any Federal court, specifically the Supreme Court would rule against the administration. If that's their best play call at this point in the game they're in big trouble. The 14th Amendment, Section 4 references the validity of the debt but nothing about issuing debt or any power of the executive branch. Section 5 states "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. But the White House doesn't see the need to negotiate with Congress even through the "out" they cite stipulates the power of the Article rests with Congress. The power to issue debt rests with Congress under Article One, section 8 of the Constitution. "To borrow money on the credit of the United States".
BillStime Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 On 5/8/2023 at 9:26 AM, B-Man said: Yeah, that's horseshit. Republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling three times for Conald with no preconditions. And what are they doing now? Yeah - thats horseshit. Oh, and Bonnie:
Tiberius Posted May 9, 2023 Author Posted May 9, 2023 On 5/5/2023 at 6:09 PM, Precision said: US Debt Clock Ohhhhh...scary. I remember the first time i saw that, decades ago and the sky was falling. Yet here we are
B-Man Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD: OOPS ! VOTERS ARE WITH MCCARTHY ON THE DEBT LIMIT Tomorrow, Joe Biden is scheduled to meet with Kevin McCarthy and other Congressional leaders to discuss the debt ceiling plan that has passed the House of Representatives. On the eve of that meeting, Rasmussen polled public sentiment on the debt ceiling. These are the key questions that Rasmussen asked: Quote 2* Republicans in the House of Representatives have passed a plan that would raise the debt ceiling and also limit government programs in an effort to reduce deficit spending in the future. Based on what you know about the Republican debt ceiling plan, do you support or oppose it? Quote 3* President Joe Biden has agreed to meet with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy to negotiate a deal for raising the debt ceiling. Who should compromise more to reach such a deal, President Biden or Speaker McCarthy? Or should both Biden and McCarthy compromise equally? Most voters are with the GOP: The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. voters support the debt ceiling bill passed by Republicans in the House of Representatives, including 32% who Strongly Support it. Thirty-four percent (34%) oppose the GOP plan, including 21% who Strongly Oppose it. 57% to 34% is a pretty overwhelming majority. So Kevin McCarthy has his marching orders, not just from House Republicans, but from the American people. Let’s hope he stands tough for what passes today for fiscal responsibility. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/05/voters-are-with-mccarthy-on-the-debt-limit.php 1
B-Man Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 The Democrats’ Debt Ceiling Position Makes Zero Sense BY: DAVID HARSANYI If you want to spend without any limit in perpetuity, just say so. FTA: Until this week, Democrats wouldn’t even talk to Republicans on the matter. In the old days, this kind of absolutist position would have every newspaper wringing its hands about GOP “obstructionism” and the dysfunction of the political system. Today, outlets like The New York Times simply pretend Republican bills are apparitions. “Are Republicans Willing to Raise the Debt Ceiling?” asks the editorial board this week. Does the Times not know that the GOP has already agreed to lift the ceiling? They do. They pretend it isn’t real because it includes “deep cuts in federal spending” (by which they mean a return to last year’s discretionary spending levels, with no cuts moving forward) https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/10/the-democrats-debt-ceiling-position-makes-zero-sense/ . 1
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