B-Man Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Ignoring the ridiculous title change. . . . . . . . . . . back to the BUDGET thread. McCarthy Notches Biggest Win Since Getting the Speaker's Gavel by Joe Cunningham House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has gotten a debt limit bill through the House, ending weeks of speculation from detractors and putting the ball squarely in Joe Biden’s court. What’s more, the fact that McCarthy has suddenly received an outpouring of support from Republicans in the Senate – including moderate ones – shows the GOP is ready to start fighting back. {snip} I mentioned previously just how vital Senate Republican support is, and specifically that support from the moderate wing of the caucus. With folks like Todd Young, Susan Collins, and Mitt Romney lending their vocal support, as well as Mitch McConnell publicly calling on Biden to come to the table to negotiate with McCarthy, it’s clear Biden will have little choice in the matter but to go sit down. And therein lies the problem for Biden. Because the Democrats have no plan and were never interested in negotiating, they called McCarthy’s bluff, and he responded with a bill. Now the House has the upper hand, which infuriates the Democrats. And it also frightens them. See, Biden comes from an era of politician that still believes “We have to do something” means “We have to do something.” Politicians today say “We have to do something” but have no real plan to accomplish much of anything other than try to make the other party look bad. But Biden will be forced to go to the negotiating table, and he’ll come away with a compromise, which is exactly what Democrats don’t want. If the Republicans can be negotiated with, it means they aren’t the rabid extremists the Democrats have painted them as. And the Democrats know Biden’s desire to “do something” will lead him to negotiate. That is unacceptable to them because they don’t want to get in the habit of tying the debt ceiling to budget cuts. That would be disastrous for their fiscal philosophy (inasmuch as they are considered to have one). More at the link: https://redstate.com/joesquire/2023/04/27/mccarthy-notches-biggest-win-since-getting-the-speakers-gavel-and-the-senate-has-grown-a-spine-n737622 . 2
B-Man Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Chuck Schumer has never met a spending bill he didn’t like. So while laughable, it’s not surprising that he’s trying to decry the GOP and their call for fiscal responsibility. To clarify, trying to slam on the brakes before you slide us over a fiscal cliff at warp speed, that’s holding America, hostage? So you're A-OK with default. At least you're honest about that. https://twitchy.com/rickrobinson-313235/2023/04/27/chuck-schumers-dire-warning-to-gop-lawmakers-is-roasted-gloriously/ . 1
Tiberius Posted April 27, 2023 Author Posted April 27, 2023 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Ignoring the ridiculous title change. . . . . . . . . . . back to the BUDGET thread. McCarthy Notches Biggest Win Since Getting the Speaker's Gavel by Joe Cunningham House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has gotten a debt limit bill through the House, ending weeks of speculation from detractors and putting the ball squarely in Joe Biden’s court. What’s more, the fact that McCarthy has suddenly received an outpouring of support from Republicans in the Senate – including moderate ones – shows the GOP is ready to start fighting back. {snip} I mentioned previously just how vital Senate Republican support is, and specifically that support from the moderate wing of the caucus. With folks like Todd Young, Susan Collins, and Mitt Romney lending their vocal support, as well as Mitch McConnell publicly calling on Biden to come to the table to negotiate with McCarthy, it’s clear Biden will have little choice in the matter but to go sit down. And therein lies the problem for Biden. Because the Democrats have no plan and were never interested in negotiating, they called McCarthy’s bluff, and he responded with a bill. Now the House has the upper hand, which infuriates the Democrats. And it also frightens them. See, Biden comes from an era of politician that still believes “We have to do something” means “We have to do something.” Politicians today say “We have to do something” but have no real plan to accomplish much of anything other than try to make the other party look bad. But Biden will be forced to go to the negotiating table, and he’ll come away with a compromise, which is exactly what Democrats don’t want. If the Republicans can be negotiated with, it means they aren’t the rabid extremists the Democrats have painted them as. And the Democrats know Biden’s desire to “do something” will lead him to negotiate. That is unacceptable to them because they don’t want to get in the habit of tying the debt ceiling to budget cuts. That would be disastrous for their fiscal philosophy (inasmuch as they are considered to have one). More at the link: https://redstate.com/joesquire/2023/04/27/mccarthy-notches-biggest-win-since-getting-the-speakers-gavel-and-the-senate-has-grown-a-spine-n737622 . Biggest win? Throwing veterans under the bus? Ya America!
B-Man Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 Back to the BUDGET thread. . . . . . . No surprise to anyone with their eyes and ears open. ‘Refusing to even come to the table’: Two leading Republicans comment on negotiating with Democrats Maybe the democrats can get someone to shoot him again. https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2023/04/30/refusing-to-even-come-to-the-table-two-leading-republicans-comment-on-negotiating-with-democrats/ 1
B-Man Posted May 2, 2023 Posted May 2, 2023 Mis-titled Budget Thread : White House Caves: Joe Biden Asks Kevin McCarthy to Negotiate Debt Limit by Wendell Husebø President Joe Biden on Monday finally requested that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) negotiate the debt limit during a meeting to be held on May 9 to avoid default, a move that contradicted the White House’s previous official position. While traveling in Israel, McCarthy received a call from Biden to schedule a meeting to negotiate raising the debt limit after days of stonewalling tactics, Punchbowl News reported. “We are not negotiating on this,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Thursday. “We’ve been very clear on this.” “They [House Republicans] need to do their job. Congress must act,” she said. “It is their constitutional duty.” The White House’s stonewalling position remained consistent through Monday afternoon. About one hour after the White House press briefing, Biden called McCarthy. As Biden and McCarthy prepare to negotiate, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-CA) has announced hearings on the House bill as a public relations attempt to condemn it. Schumer has refused to enact his own legislation or hold a vote on the House’s bill. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/01/white-house-caves-joe-biden-asks-kevin-mccarthy-negotiate-debt-limit/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-called-mccarthy-set-may-9-debt-limit-talks-2023-05-01/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3982352-biden-calls-mccarthy-to-meet-amid-debt-ceiling-warning/ 1
T master Posted May 3, 2023 Posted May 3, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 11:07 AM, Tiberius said: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/20/biden-mccarthy-debt-ceiling-00078853But Biden’s remarks set off a back-and-forth later in the day that underscored the deep divide between the White House and House Republicans over how to approach the debt ceiling discussions. McCarthy tweeted shortly afterward that he would accept a request to meet “and discuss a responsible debt ceiling increase to address irresponsible government spending.” The White House responded in a statement issued later on Friday, where Jean-Pierre reiterated that “raising the debt ceiling is not a negotiation; it is an obligation of this country and its leaders to avoid economic chaos.” “We are going to have a clear debate on two different visions for the country — one that cuts Social Security, and one that protects it — and the President is happy to discuss that with the Speaker,” Jean-Pierre said. The development comes a day after Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that the U.S. had reached its debt limit and would need to use special measures to avoid a default. Yellen has projected that Congress has until at least June to pass a debt ceiling increase. Question - Please only give a answer not another question !! Do you think that the spending of our gov't needs to be at the very least slowed down or should they just continue as they have in the recent past & just continue to increase the debt ceiling over & over again ? 1 1
Tiberius Posted May 4, 2023 Author Posted May 4, 2023 Didn't they raise the debt ceiling a bunch of times when Trump was prez without cutting benefits for vets?
ALF Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 On 5/2/2023 at 8:51 PM, T master said: Question - Please only give a answer not another question !! Do you think that the spending of our gov't needs to be at the very least slowed down or should they just continue as they have in the recent past & just continue to increase the debt ceiling over & over again ? The proper place to address spending is in the federal budget not the debt ceiling.
BillStime Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Didn't they raise the debt ceiling a bunch of times when Trump was prez without cutting benefits for vets? No Tibs - never. The Trump administration was pure bliss and porn for these MAGA nutters. They didn’t actually care back then because their masters never told them. Meanwhile: F’n liars 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) On 5/2/2023 at 8:51 PM, T master said: Question - Please only give a answer not another question !! Do you think that the spending of our gov't needs to be at the very least slowed down or should they just continue as they have in the recent past & just continue to increase the debt ceiling over & over again ? I think the government managed by both major parties will keep borrowing and spending as much money as they can until there's a debt crisis which results in a default either 1) outright bankruptcy or through 2) inflating the debt away. Currently, they're operating under option 2. Its all supported by an international system of finance centered on the use of the US dollar. With lots of countries moving away from holding dollar reserves and using it in trade settlement the ability to run these deficits will disappear. That's happening at a pretty fast pace. Here's a link to some interesting data on deficits and debt. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year Edited May 4, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 2
T master Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 3 hours ago, BillStime said: No Tibs - never. The Trump administration was pure bliss and porn for these MAGA nutters. They didn’t actually care back then because their masters never told them. Meanwhile: F’n liars They all do it & have been doing it & will continue to do it you DA but someone needs to start somewhere instead of just continuing down the same path but you would rather say OMG THEY ARE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THIS THAT & THE OTHER THING ! LOOK THEY ARE SUCH BAD PEOPLE - THEY SUCK - IT'S TRUMPS FAULT !! Instead of seeing the problem for what it is and coming to the table and responsibly coming up with a logical proposal to the problem ALL OF THEM BOTH SIDES - oh sorry i forgot this is Joe he just does things with out putting a plan in place first sorry what was i thinking ? And of course if they were of a responsible nature and came to the table to discuss proposals then they couldn't continue to make all of the multi TRILLION dollar bills to put out so let's just not do anything so the spending can continue . If you make a mistake & learn something from it & make changes moving forward then it wasn't a waste of time but if you make a mistake learn nothing & continue to do the same thing over & over again then your wasting every ones time & are like a dog chasing it's tail . But politicians do that the best ...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Truth. (Attack Cruz if you want, but it IS the truth.) interesting and very plausible scenario based on knowing staffers on the hill in congress and how it works. Wonder if this is why Rice quit? Saw this cliff coming? Lost her clout to more extreme lefties? My favorite line is we are not deadbeats who default on our debt… 😂 joe we’re deadbeats who keep running up our debt. lastly who read the bill? Anyone??? This draconian budget they PASSED is return to 2022 spending, return unspent allocated covid dollars and limit increases annually to 1%. That’s an absurd amount of money and their stated negotiating starting point? Dems… “no negotiations!!! You’re holding America hostage !!” why are republicans so stupid to not win this narrative right now? eff all these effers… Edited May 4, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Tiberius Posted May 4, 2023 Author Posted May 4, 2023 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Truth. (Attack Cruz if you want, but it IS the truth.) No, it's not true
B-Man Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD : What? No, seriously. What is she even talking about? Does she hear herself? She makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. “We can’t cut unsustainable spending because then we won’t be able to afford to spend even more money we don’t have in the future!” That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. The analogy is dishonest and ridiculous for multiple reasons. 2
B-Man Posted May 4, 2023 Posted May 4, 2023 BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD : Leftist strategy: hostage taking One of the more successful strategies, at least historically, of Leftists who want to defend ridiculous policies is called “hostage taking.” The practice is pretty simple: tie two unrelated things together–one that the public generally likes or approves of, and another that is objectionable–and make it difficult to separate the two. If you want one, you have to have both. That’s why during government “shutdowns” (which really are more like “government diets”) all the things people like about government get closed. Museums, parks, the Washington Monument… Here in Minnesota, we had a showdown between the legislature and the governor a few years back and the budget deadline passed. The Democrat governor made sure to close rest stops on highways, which are generally unstaffed, claiming that it was a safety hazard to have them open. They literally blocked entrances. Of course, it is a safety hazard to have them closed, especially as truckers need to use them for mandatory rest periods. Not to mention the need for restrooms. People volunteered to clean them and provide safety (whatever that means) and the governor refused. He did it to pressure the legislature; truckers tend to be Republicans and the Democrats took them hostage. Another example is Joy Reid’s piece here. Oklahoma’s governor is defunding Public TV for obvious reasons, and Reid is claiming children as hostages. Public television hasn't been a critical piece of any state's emergency alert system in 20 years. Every living, breathing person in this country has a mobile phone and/or cable television which would provide critical alerts. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/04/leftist-strategy-hostage-taking-n548401 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, B-Man said: BUDGET / DEBT LIMIT THREAD : Leftist strategy: hostage taking One of the more successful strategies, at least historically, of Leftists who want to defend ridiculous policies is called “hostage taking.” The practice is pretty simple: tie two unrelated things together–one that the public generally likes or approves of, and another that is objectionable–and make it difficult to separate the two. If you want one, you have to have both. That’s why during government “shutdowns” (which really are more like “government diets”) all the things people like about government get closed. Museums, parks, the Washington Monument… Here in Minnesota, we had a showdown between the legislature and the governor a few years back and the budget deadline passed. The Democrat governor made sure to close rest stops on highways, which are generally unstaffed, claiming that it was a safety hazard to have them open. They literally blocked entrances. Of course, it is a safety hazard to have them closed, especially as truckers need to use them for mandatory rest periods. Not to mention the need for restrooms. People volunteered to clean them and provide safety (whatever that means) and the governor refused. He did it to pressure the legislature; truckers tend to be Republicans and the Democrats took them hostage. Another example is Joy Reid’s piece here. Oklahoma’s governor is defunding Public TV for obvious reasons, and Reid is claiming children as hostages. Public television hasn't been a critical piece of any state's emergency alert system in 20 years. Every living, breathing person in this country has a mobile phone and/or cable television which would provide critical alerts. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/04/leftist-strategy-hostage-taking-n548401 there’s a free pbs app… next! 2
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