McCarthy Plans To Cut Debt By Gutting Funds For Veterans

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

This is the kind of thing you tell people who’s education is not above a 5th grade level

 

lmao - who’s?

 

Pick your battles - and when you do - don’t f it up! 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Buffarukus said:

 

why does the left want to abolish everything?

 

you abolished having to shower and leave the house a few years. you abolished having to find a bathroom to take a $h/+ in your cities. you abolished anyone slowing you down when you take stuff from all the stores.

 

lets mellow out on the abolishing for a bit. 

 

no, i hear what your saying. isnt this litterally the only time where our politicians have to even think about money spent or deficits? i agree its pointless but still nice that they have to pretend they give a F with a tiny bit of urgency on the line. lord knows they want to be dead before any real reprocussions truly hit. not getting mail for a few days and suddenly everyone has a meltdown. i like the shock to the system while they pretend to compromise.

The debt ceiling is a mistake and weird quirk that would never exist if it was thought through at any point. 
 

Congress sets the budget. It tells the Executive Branch how much to spend and how much money it’ll receive to do so. 
 

When Congress tells the Executive to spend more than it takes in, any rational person would understand that as Congress telling the Executive to borrow the difference. Instead, Congress also has to pass a separate bill to authorize the borrowing it essentially already told Executive to do. 
 

The idea that using the debt ceiling as a vehicle for redoing the budget makes as much sense as threatening to not pay your mortgage until your kid cuts back on their Roblox spending. Sure, their spending might be out of control but tying it to the mortgage payment is just going to hurt everyone and shift the conversation away from proper budgeting at the expense of the family’s credit.

 

What McCarthy is doing, and a long line of congressional leaders on both sides have done in the past, is stupid, counterproductive, against the mandate of the voters, and dangerous to the US economy. 

[Buffarukus]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The debt ceiling is a mistake and weird quirk that would never exist if it was thought through at any point. 
 

Congress sets the budget. It tells the Executive Branch how much to spend and how much money it’ll receive to do so. 
 

When Congress tells the Executive to spend more than it takes in, any rational person would understand that as Congress telling the Executive to borrow the difference. Instead, Congress also has to pass a separate bill to authorize the borrowing it essentially already told Executive to do. 
 

The idea that using the debt ceiling as a vehicle for redoing the budget makes as much sense as threatening to not pay your mortgage until your kid cuts back on their Roblox spending. Sure, their spending might be out of control but tying it to the mortgage payment is just going to hurt everyone and shift the conversation away from proper budgeting at the expense of the family’s credit.

 

What McCarthy is doing, and a long line of congressional leaders on both sides have done in the past, is stupid, counterproductive, against the mandate of the voters, and dangerous to the US economy. 

 

so congress passes a full  budget and the borrowing part is what they are "raising" after both sides have already agreed to the number beforehand or can the side holding out reduce the debt side. they certainly make it sound that they are actually doing more then shutting down the government over nothing. i know congress held out because they did not want any money allocated to the wall and ultimately that's what they got. no wall

Edited April 24, 2023 by Buffarukus

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Buffarukus said:

 

so congress passes a full  budget and the borrowing part is what they are "raising" after both sides have already agreed to the number beforehand or can the side holding out reduce the debt side. they certainly make it sound that they are actually doing more then shutting down the government over nothing. i know congress held out because they did not want any money allocated to the wall and ultimately that's what they got. no wall

Congress passed a budget, spent money, made contracts, incurred expenses, etc. and now McCarthy wants to go back on all of that unless he gets his way. This isn’t about a future budget, it’s about what we’ve already committed to. He doesn’t want us to pay our bills unless his political needs are met. 
 

Illinois went through a very similar thing under the last governor and it’s why our credit rating almost went to junk status. McCarthy wants to do that for the entire US. 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Congress passed a budget, spent money, made contracts, incurred expenses, etc. and now McCarthy wants to go back on all of that unless he gets his way. This isn’t about a future budget, it’s about what we’ve already committed to. He doesn’t want us to pay our bills unless his political needs are met. 
 

Illinois went through a very similar thing under the last governor and it’s why our credit rating almost went to junk status. McCarthy wants to do that for the entire US. 

you mean when they passed the corporate welfare in the omni bill while they were on lame duck session?  

 

 

[BillStime]

I wonder why the Republican party is dying.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Where is this veterans topic?

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2811? 

[B-Man]

16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Where is this veterans topic?

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2811? 

 

 

It's another false spin to distract from ANY attempt to make a budget.

 

 

That's why Tibsy changed the thread title from the "debt ceiling"

 

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[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

LOL  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

House Passes Debt Ceiling Plan, Puts Biden and Democrats on the Hot Seat

 

 

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a plan to raise the debt ceiling and avoid a possible default on Wednesday. That happened despite numerous different factions within the GOP fighting over what should be in the bill.

 

Some of the provisions include very reasonable work requirements for Medicaid, halting of federal spending at 2022 levels, and a repeal of the money used to boost the IRS workforce. Green energy tax credits passed by the Inflation Reduction Act are also cut in the bill. Deficits would be cut by a sizable $4.8 trillion over the next 10 years.

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-ceiling-plan-hangs-possible-default-around-bidens-neck-n737372

 

 

Of course, Chuckie will kill it in the Senate, but the blame for any shutdown then goes to the Dems.   No matter how the media spins it.

 

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[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

LOL  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

House Passes Debt Ceiling Plan, Puts Biden and Democrats on the Hot Seat

 

 

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a plan to raise the debt ceiling and avoid a possible default on Wednesday. That happened despite numerous different factions within the GOP fighting over what should be in the bill.

 

Some of the provisions include very reasonable work requirements for Medicaid, halting of federal spending at 2022 levels, and a repeal of the money used to boost the IRS workforce. Green energy tax credits passed by the Inflation Reduction Act are also cut in the bill. Deficits would be cut by a sizable $4.8 trillion over the next 10 years.

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-ceiling-plan-hangs-possible-default-around-bidens-neck-n737372

 

 

Of course, Chuckie will kill it in the Senate, but the blame for any shutdown then goes to the Dems.   No matter how the media spins it.

 

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I didn’t think McCarthy could get his party aligned.  surprised 

 

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

LOL  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

House Passes Debt Ceiling Plan, Puts Biden and Democrats on the Hot Seat

 

 

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a plan to raise the debt ceiling and avoid a possible default on Wednesday. That happened despite numerous different factions within the GOP fighting over what should be in the bill.

 

Some of the provisions include very reasonable work requirements for Medicaid, halting of federal spending at 2022 levels, and a repeal of the money used to boost the IRS workforce. Green energy tax credits passed by the Inflation Reduction Act are also cut in the bill. Deficits would be cut by a sizable $4.8 trillion over the next 10 years.

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-ceiling-plan-hangs-possible-default-around-bidens-neck-n737372

 

 

Of course, Chuckie will kill it in the Senate, but the blame for any shutdown then goes to the Dems.   No matter how the media spins it.

 

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I say it's time to play some hardball and shut it down.  If there are consequences and sacrifices that come of it, then so be it.   Schummer can shove it.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I say it's time to play some hardball and shut it down.  If there are consequences and sacrifices that come of it, then so be it.   Schummer can shove it.  

Not sure what is going on at the AP, but this actually reads like an unusual news story and not msm propaganda. 

 

House Republicans pass US debt bill, push Biden on spending

https://apnews.com/article/d4995f10a26d6c8bfa89a2bbfd1de93c 

[BillStime]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

9 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

I know its a strange concept but at some point both political parties are going to be forced to work together, take collective responsibility for the debt situation, acknowledge you can't consume your way to prosperity by borrowing and stealing from the future, and bring the finances of the US government under control by making some hard choices.  Either that or wait for the system to break.  The debt party is over and its time to pay the bill but its a reality neither party wants to acknowledge.  So at the end of the day they'll just agree to keep going the way they're going until they can't.   

[Tiberius]

The good news is that the Democratic Party won't let us veterans down. 

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2023/04/24/proposed-gop-cuts-would-slash-30-billion-from-veterans-spending/ 

 

Thirty million fewer healthcare visits. Fewer staff, increased claims backlog, longer wait times for benefits. Almost a $30 billion shortfall for veterans funding. That’s the uncertainty that awaits America’s veterans, should Congressional Republicans succeed in dramatically slashing federal spending as House Speaker Kevin McCarthy proposed on April 19.

[Roundybout]

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Not sure what is going on at the AP, but this actually reads like an unusual news story and not msm propaganda. 

 

House Republicans pass US debt bill, push Biden on spending

https://apnews.com/article/d4995f10a26d6c8bfa89a2bbfd1de93c 

“MSM is ok when it’s stuff I like and propaganda when it’s not”

[Tiberius]

Veterans being thrown under the bus by the GOP 

 

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy recently introduced a proposal called the “Limit, Save, Grow Act” that aims to raise the nation’s debt limit by $1.5 trillion, and could include a VA budget decrease of nearly 22%, and limit federal spending for a decade. 

 

https://www.hillandponton.com/proposed-va-budget-cut/

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

“MSM is ok when it’s stuff I like and propaganda when it’s not”

 

Yes you got it.
 

I like objectivity in reporting, this report was abnormally for the AP quite objective.  
 

no right, no wrong, just here is what one side did and what they are thinking, here’s what the other side did and what they are thinking. Little spin no good guy bad guy bs. 
 

and also correct, when it’s not an objective story, it is propaganda. 

 

there is hope for you. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Yes you got it.
 

I like objectivity in reporting, this report was abnormally for the AP quite objective.  
 

no right, no wrong, just here is what one side did and what they are thinking, here’s what the other side did and what they are thinking. Little spin no good guy bad guy bs. 
 

and also correct, when it’s not an objective story, it is propaganda. 

 

there is hope for you. 

Too much of what passes as "news" belongs on the Op-Ed page or at a minimum should include a warning statement.  Like  "What you are about to read or hear contains opinions plus subjective and anecdotal pseudo data and conclusions, and personal biases of the writer and others  intended to communicate a view of the topic which might be different than that produced by only reporting objective facts".