Greg Cosell Preview of Bills vs Bengals on One Bills Live

[Beck Water]

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/greg-cosell-bengals-at-bills-in-depth-preview

 

for those who might still be debating the INT on the pass to John Brown - Cosell leads off the show talking about it.

Says that it's a "flood concept", the play is designed to go to Dawson Knox as the first read but he's covered.  Says John Brown is running a clear route and you never want to go to John Brown on that play, but that's the way Josh thinks.  Puts the blame on Josh for that one.

 

As always, a good listen.

 

Overall, my impression is that the Bills offense kind of puzzles Cosell.  He sees it as "erratic".  But then he looks at the end result, where the Bills score a lot of points, and sort of throws up his hands.  He acknowledges that it's the best 3rd down offense in football, so "something must be working"

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Overall, my impression is that the Bills offense kind of puzzles Cosell.  He sees it as "erratic".  But then he looks at the end result, where the Bills score a lot of points, and sort of throws up his hands.  He acknowledges that it's the best 3rd down offense in football, so "something must be working"

Thanks for the post.

The bolded pretty much sums up my experience watching the Bills offense this year, too.

I spend four quarters shaking my head, thinking it looks disjointed and ugly, wondering whether I should be more mad at Dorsey or Allen, pondering missed opportunities....then I look up and they've scored 30+ points and won the game. Then I check the year long stats and see that they're top five or top three in every major category in both basic stats and advanced analytics.

Puzzling, indeed...but effective!

Edited January 20, 2023 by Logic

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Logic said:

Thanks for the post.

The bolded pretty much sums up my experience watching the Bills offense this year, too.

I spend four quarters shaking my head, thinking it looks disjointed and ugly, wondering whether I should be more mad at Dorsey or Allen, pondering missed opportunities....then I look up and they've scored 30+ points and won the game. Then I check the year long stats and see that they're top five or top three in every major category in both basic stats and advanced analytics.

Puzzling, indeed...but effective!

Strategy appears to be look like you're disjointed and not getting the offense to purr, all the while you are subtly killing the enemy. 

[Nitro]

If it confuses Greg Cossell then it points to the QB.  Allen is an extremely talented man who does the unthinkable at times.  The running game is a disjointed after thought.  That is on Dorsey.  Great interview. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I am going to comment before and after I listen to it.

 

Before:

I enjoy Cosell, but I would say that he doesn’t give any opinions on how things will actually go, he’s not a paid analyst, but that does take away some of the intrigue into what he says.

 

 

[Beck Water]

53 minutes ago, Nitro said:

If it confuses Greg Cossell then it points to the QB.  Allen is an extremely talented man who does the unthinkable at times.  The running game is a disjointed after thought.  That is on Dorsey.  Great interview. 

 

One of Cosell's comments is actually that there's no "synchronicity" (his word) between the Bills running game and passing game - meaning that there aren't connections between the run plays and pass plays they run where defending the threat of one opens up the other. 

 

[gomper]

Uncle Greg is terrific. I always learn something. 

[K D]

But I was told by posters on TBD that it was John Brown's fault. How can they be wrong? 🤔

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/greg-cosell-bengals-at-bills-in-depth-preview

 

for those who might still be debating the INT on the pass to John Brown - Cosell leads off the show talking about it.

Says that it's a "flood concept", the play is designed to go to Dawson Knox as the first read but he's covered.  Says John Brown is running a clear route and you never want to go to John Brown on that play, but that's the way Josh thinks.  Puts the blame on Josh for that one.

 

As always, a good listen.

 

Overall, my impression is that the Bills offense kind of puzzles Cosell.  He sees it as "erratic".  But then he looks at the end result, where the Bills score a lot of points, and sort of throws up his hands.  He acknowledges that it's the best 3rd down offense in football, so "something must be working"

I have zero reason to doubt this. Just wanted to add a thought.

 

Im 34, the team was bad from the time i was old enough to remember games, up till 5 years ago.

 

I remember being excited for Holcomb, Losman, that dude from SEA, ive seen almost exclusively bad teams.

 

How am i so spoiled by Josh that i sincerely dont feel like were a top 3rd down team. That 2020 team spoiled me, because i genuinely feel that we stall out on too many drives. 

 

Admittedly its perception but holy smokes, what a wild swing of expectations

[WotAGuy]

The K-Gun was scoring so fast, we were all complaining it put too much stress on the defense. 
 

 

They went to 4 Super Bowls that way. 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Thanks for the post.

The bolded pretty much sums up my experience watching the Bills offense this year, too.

I spend four quarters shaking my head, thinking it looks disjointed and ugly, wondering whether I should be more mad at Dorsey or Allen, pondering missed opportunities....then I look up and they've scored 30+ points and won the game. Then I check the year long stats and see that they're top five or top three in every major category in both basic stats and advanced analytics.

Puzzling, indeed...but effective!

But but bur stats tell us we are better than with dabol! We are number 1 in every catagory and other excuses.

 

I get it. to the untrained eye it may look rough and yet you say "ok, we still are good."

 

But it's like ... Thinking of metaphors. ... Watching a 6 yr old win a chess match against another kid.  There ain't much thought process to conceptualize a strategy. There is only singular moves which don't seem to make sense.

 

We have 3 or 4 good run plays setting up a strategy to drop a play action 1st down for a long pass... But instead run a naked boot pass screen to the full back. We throw 3 long balls to get to the end zone and run Josh on 2 QB sneaks in a row then on 3rd and 8 we run a low % pass play to the corner of the end zone.

 

There is no coordinator with this offense. And I get that Dorsey is a coordinator. I'm not saying he is bad but like has been pointed out. He's erratic. And it's infuriating.

 

....

 

On another note. Remembering Roman as an OC. The dude had a system, a coordinated scheme, a method to run his offense. He drove people nuts because of his run first leanings but I give him credit because he was limited with his player talent.

....

 

Dorsey will be a very good OC in time. I don't know about HC. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

One of Cosell's comments is actually that there's no "synchronicity" (his word) between the Bills running game and passing game - meaning that there aren't connections between the run plays and pass plays they run where defending the threat of one opens up the other. 

 

Greg Roman. Run game coordinater. 1 yr. Mega contract. Dorsey leaves, buddy.... Maybe we give it you 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

But I was told by posters on TBD that it was John Brown's fault. How can they be wrong? 🤔

Tony Romo actually thought it was Browns fault too. 

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, Logic said:

Thanks for the post.

The bolded pretty much sums up my experience watching the Bills offense this year, too.

I spend four quarters shaking my head, thinking it looks disjointed and ugly, wondering whether I should be more mad at Dorsey or Allen, pondering missed opportunities....then I look up and they've scored 30+ points and won the game. Then I check the year long stats and see that they're top five or top three in every major category in both basic stats and advanced analytics.

Puzzling, indeed...but effective!

 

Interesting article from The Ringer that dives deeper into the successes and some of the things that are not working as well this season.

 

Goes into some comparison data between Daboll's offense and Dorsey's too that is interesting.

 

 

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/1/20/23563615/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-offense

 

 

 

 

[Bkelly]

It's all about tendencies. How infuriating is it to not find tendencies in an offense you are game planning against? It's genius. Offense seems disjointed yet scores almost at will. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Cosells segment on OBL is always a good listen

[T master]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Tony Romo actually thought it was Browns fault too. 

 

Not sure how it could be Browns fault the ball looked to be under thrown or it would have been over the defenders head Brown should have at least jumped & tried to deflect it form him but was smoke suppose to slow down a bit in the route ? 

[finn]

14 hours ago, Logic said:

I spend four quarters shaking my head, thinking it looks disjointed and ugly, wondering whether I should be more mad at Dorsey or Allen, pondering missed opportunities....then I look up and they've scored 30+ points and won the game. Then I check the year long stats and see that they're top five or top three in every major category in both basic stats and advanced analytics.

We could be watching an offense that could be scoring 50 points a game and is slumming with 30. Watching them, I get a sense that something clicks, they could blow out anyone. 

 

It's also obvious that Allen needs another blue-chip receiver and a reliable right tackle. So maybe 30 pts/game is all we're going to get this season. (I'm ok with that.)

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, finn said:

We could be watching an offense that could be scoring 50 points a game and is slumming with 30. Watching them, I get a sense that something clicks, they could blow out anyone. 

 

It's also obvious that Allen needs another blue-chip receiver and a reliable right tackle. So maybe 30 pts/game is all we're going to get this season. (I'm ok with that.)

Couldn’t agree more. Why it’s been so frustrating is because they keep leaving points on the field. I’m afraid the time for that luxury is now past. If they want win a Super Bowl they’re going to have to go through Cincinnati, Kansas City, and probably the Eagles or 49ers. It’s time to close these games, and get the 50 points they’ve been flirting with. 
Go Bills 

[TheBrownBear]

28 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Not sure how it could be Browns fault the ball looked to be under thrown or it would have been over the defenders head Brown should have at least jumped & tried to deflect it form him but was smoke suppose to slow down a bit in the route ? 

Yeah, not sure what happened there between Brown and Josh - maybe a miscommunication, maybe just a bad ball from Josh.  I've watched the play a bunch and Josh throws it to Brown because the safety jumps the flood concept to Knox.  He had better options in the flat, but Josh did have one on one with Brown and he was probably emboldened by the success he had earlier in the game and going back to week 18 with the long ball.  An interception at the goal line wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world if we had just tackled the guy instead of letting him jog free for 60 yards.  But yeah, I'm comfortable pinning that one on Josh.